The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    Mr Blackbird

    Looks like a reform boycott
    Looks like a reform boycott of the local Cornwall press will be incoming.
    Also, Farage won’t be setting a foot in Cornwall in the near future.

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    Jogle

    Support for Reform UK
    [b]Support for Reform UK increasing among British Indians, poll shows[/b]

    Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind with this one

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/19/support-for-reform-uk-surges-nigel-farage-among-british-indians

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    David9694

    More on Kent CC – Sky are

    More on Kent CC – Sky are reporting that four Reform councillors have been suspended in relation to the leaked videoconference, while Kent Online says an anonymous backbencher is seeking the 5 signatures (which doesn’t sound like all that many) required to put forward a motion of no confidence in the Leader of the Council. 

    Unusually, and I’d say intruding a bit on Reform’s private grief, the leader of Medway Council in Kent has asked Cllr Kenkaran to apologise for the remarks in the videoconference. 

    Next Council meeting is on 6 November, narrowly missing the usual “fireworks” joke. 

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/kcc-leader-faces-possible-vote-of-no-confidence-in-wake-of-l-331377/

    #1157075
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    David9694

    when you don’t stand for any

    when you don’t stand for any cause….

    Reform UK in Cornwall imploding within six months of sweeping election

    Nigel Farage’s party took more Cornwall Council seats than anyone, but after a shocking week for the party, can it regroup and become a serious political force or will it fall apart?

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/reform-uk-cornwall-imploding-within-10580693

     

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    David9694

    chrisonabike wrote:

    chrisonabike wrote:
    Welcome to politics, Reform… Also presumably people have made suitable Downfall Hitler parodies of this already?

    funny thing, perhaps recognising some of the cadences, I did put her first couple of paragraphs into Google Translate just to see how it might have sounded. 

    https://www.chandraniyer.com/post/analysis-of-adolf-hitler-s-public-speaking-style

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    David9694

    Kent County Council Reform UK

    Kent County Council Reform UK leader Linden Kemkaran pledges hunt for “cowards” behind video leak “treachery”

    “The people who did this are cowards. They are weak. They are foolish. They are incapable of displaying true courage themselves, so they look to harm those who are. They are obsessed with personal gain at the expense of group success.

    “They cannot cope with disappointment and personal inadequacies so they seek to bring down others to their level.”

    Once rooted out, the culprits behind the leaks will have “no political future”🤔  she said.

    She told members: “I want you to know…I passed my suspicions of who is responsible for this treachery to [er,] head office and a thorough investigation is already underway.

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/reform-uk-leader-pledges-hunt-for-cowards-behind-video-lea-331366/

    Gosh, they do like rooting things out in Reform. It’s a good set of BTL comments too: 

    DILLIGAF wrote:
    19/10/2025 07:30
    Why was the meeting remote?

    Surely as advocates for office working, they should have all been together in County Hall?

    Or is it only the employees who are vilified for remote working?

    Brychan wrote:
    19/10/2025 06:29
    It’s the person who stands up and questions who has the backbone. Reform has it’s own version of ‘groupthink’. Cowards are the ones to sit silent and obey. Heroes fight back and defend themselves.

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    David9694

    chrisonabike wrote:

    chrisonabike wrote:
    David9694 wrote:

    Flagshaggers and hotel shouters, if you’ve got all this time and energy to scare away the domestic carers, then my in-laws are going to be needing you help

    Isn’t that part of the whole “trad values” philosophy (again see US)? Address the concerns of the boys who feel emasculated by women competing for “their” jobs * by doing away with this “diversity” wokery and free women to concentrate on the home (and more caring responsibilities)? * Usually still for a bit less than the men were paid, and normally still involving them having some personal caring responsibilities. Or at least picking up the unpaid “emotional labour” which even in the more prestigious roles may somehow end up being done by them.

    So if I’m hearing you right, the flagshaggers are (indirectly) enlisting the wives, girlfriends and any camp followers into delivering frontline domestic care? 

    White, indigenous, vulnerable – I would have thought the interests of people like my in-laws would be high on the flagshaggers’ minds?

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    chrisonabike

    David9694 wrote:

    David9694 wrote:

    Flagshaggers and hotel shouters, if you’ve got all this time and energy to scare away the domestic carers, then my in-laws are going to be needing you help


    Isn’t that part of the whole “trad values” philosophy (again see US)? Address the concerns of the boys who feel emasculated by women competing for “their” jobs * by doing away with this “diversity” wokery and free women to concentrate on the home (and more caring responsibilities)?

    * Usually still for a bit less than the men were paid, and normally still involving them having some personal caring responsibilities. Or at least picking up the unpaid “emotional labour” which even in the more prestigious roles may somehow end up being done by them.

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    David9694

    Flagshaggers and hotel

    Flagshaggers and hotel shouters, if you’ve got all this time and energy to scare away the domestic carers, then my in-laws are going to be needing you help – running the house generally and some grisly daily needs that I won’t post here. 

    ‘Frightened to get out of their cars’: Britain’s toxic race debates threaten overseas care workers 

    Staff are being advised to travel in mixed groups and carry panic alarms as incidents of intimidation spread

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/oct/14/britain-toxic-race-debate-threaten-overseas-care-workers

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    chrisonabike

    David9694 wrote:

    David9694 wrote:
    A Reform UK chairman caused controversy after suggesting anyone “intimidated” by flags on lampposts could have allegiances “elsewhere”.

    Could he perhaps mean … America?

    Or even a certain regard for the “strong, stable” governments and “big on respect (for the powerful), order and traditional family” values of a Turkey or even Russia?

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    David9694

    Reform UK chairman’s

    Reform UK chairman’s ‘allegiance’ comments cause controversy at ‘Lets talk about the flag’ event held at St Margaret’s Church, Rainham

    A Reform UK chairman caused controversy after suggesting anyone “intimidated” by flags on lampposts could have allegiances “elsewhere”.

    When the Local Democracy Reporting Service (LDRS) approached Mr Johnson for further comment…he directed us to another social post he made.

    It read: “At the flag debate in Rainham, one point that yielded the loudest gasp, was asking people who were intimidated by the national flag of the English and British as to whether their allegiance was to this nation.

    “Should this country ever find itself in the sight of a hostile nation and engaged in a hot war, are we to believe that many people with dual nationalities wouldn’t be glancing out the corners of their eyes at the ‘other’ passport and thinking ‘maybe that place actually feels a bit more like home’.”

    Plus one other unnamed speaker good at these creeping contradictions “We are one nation, we need to stand together. This is our country, we need to take it back.”

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/reform-chairman-s-flag-true-allegiance-comments-cause-cont-331305/

    So here we all are at the community event called by the Diocese of Rochester and suprise suprise, Reform are doubling down on the division, with their new version of the Norman Tebbit “cricket test” and of course references to the call-up – its 1916 and 1939 all over again. 

    If there’s any “sending back” to be done, perhaps there needs to be a TARDIS flight to 1939 for all those interested. 

    PS  the comments are pretty good on this piece, unusually. 
     

     

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    chrisonabike

    Here’s what we could win – a
    Here’s what we could win – a world where we just give up on consensus and grab what we can for our own:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vnl0yxg53o

    Or perhaps that’s more fairly represented as “if we pass up the opportunity to make beans a penny cheaper (even if it accelerates everyone going to hell in a handcart), we know we’ll be out at the next election! Because that was the pitch *we* used to win the last one! ”

    Of course – that’s also a self-stable strategy* . And “longer term” perhaps is an illusion – humans don’t last that long! And the argument about caring about our children’s future isn’t necessarily a slam dunk either. Some in the current US administration would no doubt say that if we are moving towards to the point where everyone is affected by the consequences of major climatic shifts (even if only because millions are now on the move) it’s even more important to get ahead now to ensure that *their* children all have boats, and the better guns…

    * It’s not all doom and gloom even in game theory however (though I’m not up on the latest) – variants of “we only bite if bitten first” can be successful – but “it depends” of course https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat

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    chrisonabike

    (Reform rollback) They should
    (Reform rollback) They should import the press conference policies of their role models in the US and simply stuff them full of sympathetic types (or at least ones who aren’t going to ask searching political questions).

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    ktache
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    chrisonabike

    David9694 wrote:

    David9694 wrote:

    Can this lot succeed in delivering a family-friendly anti immigration march and masking the inherent thuggery? No alcohol, drugs or swearing, please. 


    Family-friendly xenophobia…

    Who gets to come here and do what is always a choice of course. And humans have always “worked it out” in a messy way (eg. sometimes we’ll tolerate or even fetishise strangers when it’s in our interests, other times we’re not just territorial but will actively seek out “the other” to do bad things…)

    Governments are in a pickle because the numbers (economics) seem pretty clear – immigrants benefit the host country economically. However how the locals *feel* about it can vary wildly …

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