The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    don simon fbpe

    I wouldn’t worry to much

    I wouldn’t worry to much about Labour and EU. tories and Farage have already shown us that u-turns are par for the course and wholly acceptable. 

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    wtjs

    My area (Bristol East) had

    My area (Bristol East) had Greens come relatively close second place and of course, they won quite decisively in Bristol Central

    Yes, I was quite impressed by that- I think the Greens would get an even higher vote % if people accepted they were in with a chance in more seats. That increased visibility would help cyclists against the overwhelming ‘idle vote’ of the motorists.

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    hawkinspeter
    Rendel Harris wrote:
    This, for better or worse, is how the system works and the Tories didn’t seem to mind when it delivered them four elections on the bounce. What’s that phrase we have been hearing ad nauseam from Brexiteers since 2016? Something about you lost, get over it?

    Hopefully, it won’t be a simple lose/win dichotomy and the country will benefit from Starmergeddon (time will tell) and thus everyone will “win”. It’s not like the Brexit referendum where everyone apart from a small handful of people loses out.

    I’m hoping that Labour will be looking over their shoulders at Green who put on a very good showing in Bristol. My area (Bristol East) had Greens come relatively close second place and of course, they won quite decisively in Bristol Central.

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    mdavidford

    Well exactly. But it’s much

    Well exactly. But it’s much worse than the 33.7% makes it look. If you’re talking about enthusiasm, you need to look not at share of the vote, but at either raw vote numbers or share of the electorate. And since turnout was also down to 60%, that means only about 20% of people were motivated to vote for them, which compares even less favourably with past results. And obviously even less for each of their opponents. Basically, there’s not much enthusiasm for politicians generally (Reform included).

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    Rich_cb

    That’s share of population.
    That’s share of population. Not vote share.

    On that measure what would Labour’s share have looked like?

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    Rich_cb

    People were more enthusiastic
    People were more enthusiastic for Labour than any other party in this election but they were less enthusiastic for the winning party then in any other post war election.

    The fact that this lack of enthusiasm has been combined with an enormous majority simply exposes the failures of FPTP to produce representative government.

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    Rich_cb

    I’ve long argued against FPTP
    I’ve long argued against FPTP.

    I’ve said multiple times on this forum that I voted for AV in the previous referendum and that I continue to support a change to our voting system.

    Had you forgotten?

    This latest election is simply the most egregious example of the failures of FPTP. My position on FPTP has remained entirely consistent.

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    David9694

    Camila was wildly wrong on 31

    Camila was wildly wrong on 31 May, but is undaunted – fair challenge in this headline.  A divided right (wing) in the next few years – see other articles today – would be a bonus, but cutting through beneficially into people’s lives in 5 years won’t be easy.

    I’ve only got the first line of the article, but there’s already a theme developing and the beginning of a “What has Kier Starmer ever done for us?” Sketch here:
     

    So I ask you in all good faith, what has Keir Starmer ever done for us??

    Won by a landslide? Appointed a cabinet of people who know their brief? 

    Well, apart from the landlside

    got a clear mandate to govern? Increased his share of seats by 211? Won despite many years of Tory-friendly boundary reviews? 

    well yes, you’ve got your 211 seats, obviously… 

    won 412 seats and thereby a sizeable majority in Parliament? 

    look, apart from the landslide, the massive majority, what –

    don’t forget the 412 seats, brother

    yes, thank you brother – so apart from the  landslide, the massive majority, the competent cabinet, what has Kier Starmer ever done for us???

     
    Why Sir Keir Starmer could turn out to be a one-term prime minister

    He may have won big, but he has no plan or authority to fix Britain’s most pressing problems

    Judged purely on the number of seats Labour has won, then of course the general election was a victory for Sir Keir Starmer…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/05/read-my-lips-sir-keir-starmer-is-going-to-be-a-one-term-pm/
     

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    Rendel Harris

    Mr Sunak rose considerably in

    Mr Sunak rose considerably in my estimation yesterday with the dignified and gracious way he accepted his defeat and wished the new government well. A shame that attitude appears not to have trickled down to some of his supporters.

    If you want to quibble about figures, maybe you should look at the differential in vote share between the leading two parties: from 2010 the advantage has been, consecutively, 7.1%, 6.3%, 2.3%, 11.5% and in this latest election it’s 10.1%, so Labour second only by a whisker to Johnson’s 2019 landslide on that metric. I’m sure you were complaining vociferously in 2017 when Mrs May was only 2.3% ahead on votes and yet 6.5% ahead in seats?

    This, for better or worse, is how the system works and the Tories didn’t seem to mind when it delivered them four elections on the bounce. What’s that phrase we have been hearing ad nauseam from Brexiteers since 2016? Something about you lost, get over it?

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    mdavidford
    David9694 wrote:
    Nige is usually pretty quick at crying foul if/when he’s on the receiving end of anything like this.

    Or even when he’s not.

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    David9694
    quiff wrote:
    If these are easily disproved as fake, makes you wonder whether it’s low-quality work on behalf of Reform or smear work by their opponents. 

    Nige is usually pretty quick at crying foul if/when he’s on the receiving end of anything like this. Will be interesting to hear how the dispute with ismyintendedhirearavingluncatic.com plays out. 

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    David9694

    4 returned. 

    Good to see plenty of support in Wales for Labour. Pleased to see Rees-Mogg out. Good to see a handful (4) of Green MPs. 

    4 Reform returned. 4 examples of where the Conservative “we’re not right-wing enough” actually played out – Conservative candidates’ losses were their direct gains.  (Edit: 5 Reform MPs – let’s see what it is in six months.)

    Wellingborough & Rushden, a belwether in which Ben Habib stood, is an example of Reform arguably splitting the cons vote and Labour being the beneficiary – but when you look at the UK map this morning, the “no enthusiasm for Labour” argument looks pretty hollow.

    Now can we get active travel and Europe back on the agenda please? 

    Finally for now, what do you and your merry men actually stand for, Nigel? 

    Taking aim at the Conservatives, Mr Farage said: “There is a massive gap on the centre-right of British politics and my job is to fill it.”

    Speaking to reporters after the result, he suggested “this is the beginning of the end of the Conservative Party”. 

    Mr Farage said Reform would “now be targeting Labour votes”. 

    “What is interesting is, there’s no enthusiasm for Labour, there’s no enthusiasm for [Keir] Starmer whatsoever. In fact, about half of the vote is simply an anti-Conservative vote,” he said. 

    “We’re coming for Labour, be in no doubt about that.”

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    mdavidford

    If you want to make an

    If you want to make an argument about enthusiasm, focusing on vote share is probably missing the wood for the trees. Look at raw votes – the number of people voting for Labour was down on what it was at the last election, so at the least we can say that enthusiasm for them is less now than it was then.

    (Same goes for the Lib Dems, btw)

    Of course, by that reckoning there was less than half as much enthusiasm for Reform as there was for Labour, though.

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    David9694

    Vote share numbers are a by

    Vote share numbers are a by-product of FPTP, they aren’t the result.  I guess if we’re moving the goalposts, are you OK with is this? 

    https://www.indy100.com/news/brexit-leave-remain-52-48-per-cent-voter-turnout-electoral-register-charts-7399226

    https://cdn.road.cc/wp-content/uploads/roadcc/IMG_5804.jpeg

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    Rich_cb

    My point was that the “no
    My point was that the “no enthusiasm” for Labour argument is valid.

    Labour’s vote share relative to its seat count is, I believe, the most distorted in UK history.

    Only 1/3 people voted for Labour and they were incredibly vague about their policies yet they will now be able to push through any policy they choose.

    Given your previous posts on the subject of British democratic votes I’m rather surprised you are ok with the situation.

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