The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    David9694

    NO NO NO we had a referendum*

    NO NO NO we had a referendum* on AV, THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE is clear you ARE SUBVERTING DEMOCRACY TAKING AWAY OUR FPTP DREAM 

    * I’d forgotten too

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    David9694

    The candidate with the most

    The candidate with the most votes (Conservative) won in my constituency. I have a local MP. The same thing happened 650 times over. 

    Whats your point? 

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    mdavidford
    chrisonabike wrote:
    this is the view from the states where their “neutral” origin will be displaced from ours never mind other factors

    And apparently they’ve never heard of Sinn Féin, which seems… surprising.

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    chrisonabike

    Rich_cb wrote:

    Rich_cb wrote:
    Labour are centre left. The two recent Conservatives leaders who actually won majorities were both centre right. After Cameron’s majority, Labour lurched left, lost badly and then moved to the centre and won. Expect the Conservatives to lurch right, lose badly and then move back to the centre. The same pattern happened post 79 and 97. Plus ça change and all that.

    We need a graph!  Or a chart.  (yes – should have one over time, this is just a fun old site – and I think this is the view from the states where their “neutral” origin will be displaced from ours never mind other factors):

    https://cdn.road.cc/wp-content/uploads/roadcc/politics.png

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    chrisonabike

    No lover of 1PP and noting

    No lover of 1PP and noting the particular distortions this time round… but also one of those distortions is tactical voting.  You could say another is “I’m just temporarily unhappy with the job my usually-favoured tribe are doing”!

    Of course I doubt there was much tactical voting *for* Reform.  Don’t know though.

    It isn’t that the Conservatives had this system sprung on them either.  Everyone had to play with the rules as understood.

    The Party system isn’t necessarily to the voter’s advantage either – but we seem stuck with that.  So perhaps we can open up the discussion about proportional again?  Or indeed any other means of getting more people to engage with it – which seems an issue.

    Certainly I would be surprised to see the Conservatives embrace some kind of proportional system given they undermined the Lib Dems’ efforts to bring one in. (That was time ago though and the Alternative Vote might not have been the best implementation of such a system).

    AFAIK Labour aren’t either, being the other of the pair.  Why let in other competitors?

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    Rich_cb

    The map merely reflects the
    The map merely reflects the distortions of 1st past the post.

    The no enthusiasm argument is based on Labour only managing to attract 1 in 3 votes yet being rewarded with an enormous majority.

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    Rich_cb

    Labour are centre left.
    Labour are centre left.

    The two recent Conservatives leaders who actually won majorities were both centre right.

    After Cameron’s majority, Labour lurched left, lost badly and then moved to the centre and won.

    Expect the Conservatives to lurch right, lose badly and then move back to the centre.

    The same pattern happened post 79 and 97.

    Plus ça change and all that.

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    chrisonabike

    curious innit?  And lots of

    curious innit?  And lots of people here have bikes rusting on their balconies…

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    wtjs

    dominant form of cycling is

    dominant form of cycling is for takeaway delivery

    Yes, with all this purposeful cycling going on, you wonder why there’s the NHS diabetes time-bomb and the obesity crisis!

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    chrisonabike

    Happened to walk there since

    Happened to walk there since close to me.  Station by the local college so plenty cycle parking.  No bikes to be seen, despite this being accessible via a “quieter street”.

    Edinburgh so some “active travel” but it’s pretty slow progress – it’s on the agenda now but certainly no urgency.  I think it’s a bit “cycling just one of lots of competing lobby groups that the council are acting as referee between”. Plus “we’ve already got some thanks” – namely the shared paths which have been there for decades (and they’re looking at repurposing for trams).

    In much of the town the dominant form of cycling is for takeaway delivery.

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    Hirsute

    I didn’t even remember but we
    I didn’t even remember but we had a vote in 2011 on whether to have stv but 2/3 rejected the idea.
    I wonder if it is time to rethink.
    Mind you I’m a bit dubious of the ability of the average person to cope with it.

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    brooksby
    David9694 wrote:
    Mr Farage said: “There is a massive gap on the centre-right of British politics and my job is to fill it.”

    He thinks that he is centre right, does he? 

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    brooksby

    I went to vote on my way home

    I went to vote on my way home from work.  The voting station was at the village hall, right in the middle of my village.  I saw two people pedestrianising (with their dogs) and the car park was full (ten cars, maybe?).  I was the only cyclist.

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    wtjs

    Last night I was taking

    Last night I was taking photos of flower beds for ‘Bloom’ down at the village hall where the Polling Station was. Despite a turnout of only 58%, it was very busy with an incessant turnover of cars queing up, voters coming out of them and then driving off again. I saw no other cyclists and very few pedestrians. There’s no Active Travel at all up here- it’s midsummer and I rarely see any cyclists.

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    chrisonabike

    Definitely a case (like in
    Definitely a case (like in 1997) of “Elections are lost, not won”. Incumbents were there too long (aside from their infighting) and eventually there are too many “events, dear boy”.

    I’d say perhaps the same for SNP although we’ll really see that in 2 year’s time.

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