The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    Rich_cb

    Given that, on this occasion,
    Given that, on this occasion, I was responding to another poster I’m not really sure your desperate little line of attack really works.

    I have consistently been opposed to FPTP, that hasn’t changed with previous Conservatives majorities.

    The latest election result is a particularly bad example of how FPTP can lead to unrepresentative results, hopefully it will be the final straw for meaningful electoral reform.

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    Rendel Harris

    Rich_cb wrote:

    Rich_cb wrote:
    I’ve long argued against FPTP. I’ve said multiple times on this forum that I voted for AV in the previous referendum and that I continue to support a change to our voting system. Had you forgotten? This latest election is simply the most egregious example of the failures of FPTP. My position on FPTP has remained entirely consistent.

    I do remember that, as it happens, and it’s one of the rare things on which we agree. However, whilst you have voiced your support for a change to the electoral system at various points I think I’m correct in saying, unless I’ve missed it, that in none of the previous three general elections won by the Tories did you come here directly after the results and complain what a travesty it was that they should be in government having such a much higher percentage of the available seats than they did of the popular vote. Obviously something different has happened this time that has inspired your disgruntlement, whatever could it be…

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    chrisonabike

    Rich_cb wrote:

    Rich_cb wrote:
    Under a different system a political party that failed to garner enthusiasm would be forced into consensus and coalition building, better representing the votes cast.

    Under FPTP Starker can now essentially rule by decree.


    I’ll put this down to disappointment but … Remind me how previous governments with majorities haven’t been able to “rule by decree”? Or have I missed something and we’ve been living in Switzerland?

    An “enthusiasm”- based system sounds like reality TV…

    Living in Scotland I have seen there certainly can be some pros to a more “coalition-biased” system. I can’t see the turkeys voting for Christmas (particularly with the likes of Reform demanding change…) but I do think PR at the very least would be a good idea.

    The real problem comes when people simply disengage from the system. But that is a two-way street – people’s expectations of getting exactly the changes they want, right now, may be an issue…

    Also “supermajority” isn’t really “a thing” in the UK (yet), but you know that’s just pedantry.

    https://fullfact.org/election-2024/supermajority-parliament-explained/

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    don simon fbpe

    Indeed.

    Indeed.

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    Rich_cb

    Wait for the Welsh Government
    Wait for the Welsh Government elections.

    The same vote share there would deliver very different results.

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    don simon fbpe

    Keep guessing. I am happy

    Keep guessing. I am happy that Cymru is a tory free zone, just need to get rid of the unionists now. Then we can act like a normal country. 

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    Rich_cb

    I’d agree that they can be
    I’d agree that they can be considered separately but in this context the lack of enthusiasm for the Labour government juxtaposes perfectly with the super majority that very same government enjoys.

    Under a different system a political party that failed to garner enthusiasm would be forced into consensus and coalition building, better representing the votes cast.

    Under FPTP Starker can now essentially rule by decree.

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    HLaB

    Bizarrelly I think we’ve got

    Bizarrelly I think we’ve got Reform (an Oxymoron of change) to thank for massively splitting the Tory vote in this stupid First Past the Post system :-/  In my constutuency Labour beat the Tories by just 39votes and 8,741 voted for facism / the no change Tories :-/

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    Rich_cb

    I’ve always wanted electoral
    I’ve always wanted electoral reform.

    Voted for AV in the referendum.

    I’m guessing you’re happy with a super majority being delivered by 1/3rd of the votes?

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    hawkinspeter
    don simon fbpe wrote:
    Funny how right whingers now want electoral reform.

    In his defence, he has mentioned it before

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    don simon fbpe

    Funny how right whingers now

    Funny how right whingers now want electoral reform.

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    HLaB

    I don’t think there was any

    I don’t think there was any car parking at my polling station or the closer two that I wasn’t allocated to.  I walked the 1.6miles though as I wouldnt trust leaving a bike in Hampton Hargate (Pottyboro).  The turn out across the constituency was only 58.5%, and I’m surprised it was as high as that.

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    mdavidford

    All true, but an argument

    All true, but an argument about the inadequacy of FPTP is a sidetrack from the original question of a lack of enthusiasm for Labour. They’re both valid cases, but mixing the two together muddies the waters.

    Lowest share of vote for governing party delivering honking majority demonstrates brokenness of FPTP.

    Lowest share of electorate demonstrates lack of enthusiasm for them (or anyone else).

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    hawkinspeter
    don simon fbpe wrote:
    I wouldn’t worry to much about Labour and EU. tories and Farage have already shown us that u-turns are par for the course and wholly acceptable. 

    Starmer’s U-turns are apparently quite dangerous though:

    https://road.cc/content/news/witness-starmer-was-making-u-turn-when-he-hit-cyclist-278313

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    Rich_cb

    I don’t think we’ve ever had
    I don’t think we’ve ever had a parliamentary majority on this scale delivered by such a low vote share before.

    The scale of victory in seats is quite removed from the share of the vote.

    Reform got about 40% of Labour’s votes yet their reward was a handful of seats.

    The system is what the system is and there’ll certainly be no appetite for reform of the voting system in this parliament.

    I hope this will be the nadir for FPTP though, it’s clearly no longer fit for purpose.

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