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Challenge dangerous driving or silently report? Driving instructor Ashley Neal weighs in on cyclist debate; Local angered by parking tickets vows not to drive, starts cycling; Bike lane removal protest; Cyclocross in a nutshell + more on the live blog

It’s been a while but Adwitiya is back on the road.cc live blog this Thursday, trying his best to jog his memory and remember how to bring you all the latest talk from the cycling world

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02 November 2023, 15:56
Challenge dangerous driving or just stick to silent reporting? Driving instructor Ashley Neal weighs in on what should cyclists do...

Liverpool-based YouTube driving instructor Ashley Neal, has come out with his take on what should cyclists do when on the receiving end of dangerous driving, and it's one for you all to discuss.

Replying to a tweet by road.cc about the news of a motorist avoiding jail for deliberately ramming cyclist who questioned close pass, the son of former Liverpool and England footballer Phil Neal tagged the Detective Chief Superintendent of Met Police Andy Cox and asked: "Could this incident have ended without problem if your advice on challenge was different? Would you like to clarify what you think cyclist should do in these confrontational situations?"

When another Twitter user pointed out that this was a bad take by Neal, he countered saying: "Andy thinks challenge is acceptable, I disagree. Just report to the Police and that’s the end of it."

> CyclingMikey wishes Ashley Neal would "leave me alone" as YouTube driving instructor uploads another video criticising his approach

The back and forth went on for quite a bit, another cyclist pointing that "as a society we should be able to hold each other to account" and that it should be acceptable to tell somebody they’re wrong, adding that "the law should protect that, not treat it as antagonistic".

Neal responded saying: "He [Andy Cox] only thinks of things from the Police perspective. Imagine if I challenged every single person who treated myself and my learner drivers anything but perfectly. What message does that send to novice drivers?"

> “I wholeheartedly disagree with his approach” – YouTube driving instructor Ashley Neal on CyclingMikey

It's not like Ashley Neal hasn't tried to get his foot in cycling debates previously, saying that cyclists like CyclingMikey, who confront law-breaking drivers, actually create many road rage incidents.

In what in my opinion has turned out to be a quite meta and somewhat ironic discussion, should cyclists, who are actually the ones endangered by dangerous driving, be fearful of the fact that pointing it out to the drivers can lead to further escalation and thus, simply resort to 'silent reporting', hoping that the police would do their job and make the driver realise of the consequences of their actions?

Well, I don't think there's a right or wrong approach here per se, but as usual, we are interested to hear what you think about it...

02 November 2023, 17:27
Best spooky Halloween decoration?

Yeah it's a little late, but so were the cycle hangars which left this cyclist in this state of desolation...

02 November 2023, 16:27
Safety concerns after cyclist collision at notorious roundabout, as cycling campaigner remains in hospital after separate incident
The Plain roundabout, Oxford

Chairwoman of the Cyclox campaign group Dr Alison Hill is being treated for a serious leg injury following last week's incident involving a coach being driven in the city centre...

Cyclist safety concerns have again been heard in Oxford after five police cars and an ambulance attended the scene of a collision at a notorious roundabout, where a university academic was killed last year, after another collision, yesterday's just days after the chairwoman of an Oxford cycling campaign group was left hospitalised with a serious leg injury after a further collision in the city centre.

> Safety concerns after cyclist collision at notorious roundabout, as cycling campaigner remains in hospital after separate incident

02 November 2023, 14:55
Simon Pellaud walks for Gino Mäder 🖤
02 November 2023, 13:03
"This is a win, right?": Local angered by parking tickets vows to never use car park again... now cycles to shops

Parking ticket chaos? Or opening up alternatives to driving?

Locals at Worcester, are up in arms after many drivers were hit with £60 fines since the relaxations on parking restrictions in Henwick Park were curtailed this summer.

Out of all the fuss and commotion, one frustrated driver has said that he has now started cycling to the shops fearing he would be given a parking charge notice again, reports Worcester News.

Well, I see this as a win!

02 November 2023, 12:17
Game's gone soft! Dutch Headwind Cycling Championships cancelled, because it's too windy

The hype was good until it lasted. After much talk of being hard as nails, the NK Tegenwindfietsen, or the Dutch Headwind Cycling Championships, has in fact, been called off because it's *checks notes* too windy.

Earlier in the day, we reported the organiser of this crazy time-trial said that the conditions were "bleak, wet and incredibly windy" — perfect for the one of the most bizarre races of the cycling calendar when cyclists ride their sit-up-and-beg fixies facing gusts up to 120 km/hr for almost 9 kilometres.

"It's not called the NK Tegenwindfietsen for nothing!" were the words from the organiser. However, with a Code Orange in place due to the current Storm Ciarán in western Europe, the Championship has after all, been cancelled.

"We had prepared everything, everything is in the starting blocks. The weather is insane, but too intense. The peak speeds are too intense," said the organisers, adding that the average wind speed was still tolerable (I mean not for your average live blog host), but the gusts could have compromised the safety of the participants who would've had to ride their bikes along the Eastern Scheldt storm surge barrier in south-eastern part of the Netherlands.

The organisers added: "And of course we don't want that. Safety is at the top."

The participants, however, are of course disappointed. Roald from Brielle, one of them, said: "It seems like a bad joke. The NK Tegenwindfietsen has been cancelled by strong winds."

Omroep Zeeland reports that Roald was already ready with his bicycle when the event was called off. "It's a shame, because I was confident that I would make it. I had taken time off work, but then I think I'll get started anyway," he said, adding that he would have to take the bus back home now.
 

02 November 2023, 11:39
Cyclist shares shocking footage of driver ramming him off bike after close pass complaint, slams suspended sentence "an absolute waste of time"
Leicester incident screenshots (road.cc reader)

"Attacks on cyclists are becoming much more common... I believe it's time to give cyclists more protection under the law"...

A cyclist, injured after being deliberately rammed off his bike by a driver who had moments earlier close passed him, has shared the footage of the incident with road.cc and warned that the roads have become "very unsafe" and "attacks are becoming much more common", suggesting that cyclists need "more protection under the law."

> Cyclist shares shocking footage of driver ramming him off bike after close pass complaint, slams suspended sentence "an absolute waste of time"

02 November 2023, 10:37
The show must go on! Dutch Headwind Cycling Championships to take place today despite Code Orange due to Storm Ciarán

"It's not called the NK Tegenwindfietsen for nothing!"

The NK Tegenwindfietsen, or the Dutch Headwind Cycling Championships, is a bit of a crazy affair. Riding along the 8.5 km course against the wind on typical Dutch upright, single-speed bikes on the Oosterscheldekering (Eastern Scheldt storm surge barrier, that's a mouthful), it's absolutely one of the most bizarre, yet delightfully wholesome and very normal thing to do.

Contested by 300 riders every year during the autumn/winter season, with winds speeds possible over 120 km/hr, who wouldn't like to have the bragging rights of being the most gung-ho cyclist in the Netherlands?

But this year, with the incoming Storm Ciarán resulting in a Code Orange being declared by the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute, the event is still on track to take place later today.

"It's perfect conditions here. Bleak, wet and incredibly windy," said organizer Robrecht Stoekenbroek in the radio program Zeeland Wordt Wakker. "It's not for nothing that it's called the NK Tegenwindfietsen. It's on the verge of a bit of craziness. It's part of it that where everyone goes in we go out."

However, if the safety is at stake, the event will be cancelled, he added. "We are keeping an eye on it very closely. If it were to become unsafe somewhere, we would act accordingly. So far, they are dream conditions. We start nicely at noon and then just keep an eye on it."

It's not like the event hasn't been cancelled due to well, dangerous headwinds. In 2020, the full-force of the Storm Ciara (ominously close-name to the current storm) forced the organisers to abandon the sixth edition of the championships.

Now you won't catch me in this time-trial ever (I'm ashamed but the Cardiff headwinds often get too much for me), but I hope those going out in the championship today have fun, and well, can just manage to move forward.

02 November 2023, 10:29
Cyclocross in a nutshell?
02 November 2023, 09:00
Cyclists stand in front of truck to stop it from removing a bike lane deemed as a “mistake” by the authorities... despite a 2-year public process

Portland, Oregon. One of the few American cities with a decent cycling infrastructure, and cyclists from the city were hoping to pave the way towards a greener, more inclusive urban future and bucking the trend of uber-American motonormativity.

However, they were met with an obstacle in the shape of a truck sent to strip down a cycle lane Northeast 33rd Avenue, only installed a month ago, now slated for removal by the Portland Bureau of Transportation (PBOT) without any notice.

Why? Because the Bureau deemed it as a "mistake" because they didn't do "enough public outreach". That is, despite the bike lane being a part of a plan that went through a 2-year public process, before being adopted by council by a 5-0 vote, with 4 of those council members still sitting today.

Cyclists block bike lane removing truck in Portland (Jonathan Maus/BikePortland)

Thankfully, the cyclists weren't quick to give up. Yesterday, concerned Portlanders took to the street to physically block the truck from going about with the stripping down.

"If people didn’t show up this morning, the bike lane would be gone," wrote Jonathan Maus, cycling campaigner and editor of Bike Portland.

In fact, the information about the removal of the bike lane wasn't even announced publicly by PBOT. Maus said: "We only found out because PBOT staff warned BikePortland anonymously that it was imminent."

Local bike advocacy group BikeLoud PDX responded by telling members to show up at the site yesterday morning. The idea was to take a closer look at the bike lanes in advance of a planned strategy session later this morning.

However, crews had already begun removing the bike lane as the activists showed up. One of them, former BikeLoud PDX Chair Kiel Johnson, rolled up to the scene and immediately stopped his bike in front of the oncoming truck. The truck driver stopped and Johnson stood there with his arms crossed.

Maus added: "It is clear that PBOT wanted this bike lane removed. Their statement to BikePortland yesterday was unambiguous. It said, “This segment of bike lane was installed by mistake and will be removed."

Once the truck operator left the corner of the street, he simply moved to another section of the bike lane a few blocks south and started the grinding-off process again. Activists then hopped on their bikes and stood in front to stop forward progress.

Several minutes passed and the truck was driven away once again. Eventually the contractors left for the day, but BikeLoud volunteers still stood their ground, staying in shifts to make sure it didn't return.

PBOT's Deputy Chief of Staff Cynthia Castro said" "PBOT is not continuing with removing the bike lane today, but we do need to have further conversation about this particular stretch."

But PBOT Director Millicent Williams isn’t on that page. Based on PBOT statements and that letter given to residents this morning, Director Williams did not plan to have any further conversation. The order was to remove the bike lane and it would be gone if not for the timely protest organized by BikeLoud PDX

Maus later provided an update saying: "Stalemate on 33rd. Crews said they are just modifying the bike lane. @PBOTinfo said yesterday it would be removed."

While this seems like a classic case of "confuse them with misinformation", cyclists have come together to slam the authorities' behaviour.

Cyclist Matthew Lewis wrote on Twitter: "So many city public works/transportation departments are fully rogue, and harbour so much animosity toward residents, this is only way forward.

"Until city councils get the courage to clean house, everyone should block their trucks & make it impossible for them to do more harm."

And Bike PDX member Ike said: "Why do the people have to fight for fucking bike lanes? @PBOTinfo needs to explain itself. And also GTFO with this waste of time and resources. This is the opposite of productive. We want more bike lanes, safer streets, more walkable neighborhoods, less dirtbag drivers."

Something tells me we haven't seen the end of this stand-off yet...

Adwitiya joined road.cc in 2023 as a news writer after graduating with a masters in journalism from Cardiff University. His dissertation focused on active travel, which soon threw him into the deep end of covering everything related to the two-wheeled tool, and now cycling is as big a part of his life as guitars and football. He has previously covered local and national politics for Voice Wales, and also likes to writes about science, tech and the environment, if he can find the time. Living right next to the Taff trail in the Welsh capital, you can find him trying to tackle the brutal climbs in the valleys.

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Andrewbanshee replied to chrisonabike | 10 months ago
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I run cameras. From my experience the police do nothing with clear cut cases. The reporting portals are merely black holes tbh.

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NOtotheEU replied to Andrewbanshee | 10 months ago
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Andrewbanshee wrote:

I run cameras. From my experience the police do nothing with clear cut cases. The reporting portals are merely black holes tbh.

I made 3 reports last week to WMP who are now sending updates in most cases. It's usually one of two officers who are in contact with me multiple times a week so i'm just hoping they don't get sick of me and stop bothering 🤞

Thank you for contacting West Midlands Police, I have reviewed the footage you kindly sent in and these are your results

The driver of the Black Mercedes on the Tyburn Road has been reported for the offence of driving without due care and attention, the driver can either take a driver education course or go to court

The driver of the Black VW who contravened the red light will get 3 points and a £100 fine or go opt for court

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Thankyou for your Nextbase submission reference the Blue Honda jazz on Kingsbury Road, 25/10/23. I have started enquiries to identify the driver to allow me to progress the matter.

 

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wtjs replied to NOtotheEU | 9 months ago
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I made 3 reports last week to WMP who are now sending updates in most cases. It's usually one of two officers who are in contact with me multiple times a week

This does look to be convincing  action from WMP, even to a cynical veteran like me. Well done! Wish we had something even slightly similar here

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NOtotheEU replied to wtjs | 9 months ago
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It does seem convincing. Let's hope it's not just a short term blitz as after the news of only one prosecution in 2022 it was starting to feel a bit pointless.

Maybe WMP will publish some amazing stats for the second half of 2023 and someone at Lancs police will be shamed into doing som . . . . . what am I thinking, it'll never happen.

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Bungle_52 replied to NOtotheEU | 9 months ago
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I made 3 reports last week to WMP who are now sending updates in most cases. It's usually one of two officers who are in contact with me multiple times a week so i'm just hoping they don't get sick of me and stop bothering .

Thank you for your time and effort and your contribution to road safety on behalf of us all. Well done WMP, feedback and action, it's very rare we see both (or either in some cases) on this site. Is there any chance you could send in some examples to NMOTD with the action that was taken, I'm thinking it may be useful to include links in future reports to other police forces in the hope they will follow suit.

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NOtotheEU replied to Bungle_52 | 9 months ago
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Bungle_52 wrote:

there any chance you could send in some examples to NMOTD with the action that was taken,

Probably not. In the past WMP rarely gave feedback but on two occasions they did and court action was taken so I submitted them for NMOTD but they weren't featured. It could be Road.cc don't like my username as it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the 'golf club attack' item and when Road.cc quoted 4 comments about WMP recently they named the other 3 users but my comment was anonymous. Of course it could be all in my imagination and they just weren't very good. These are the two I submitted.

https://upride.cc/incident/close-pass-driver-goes-to-court-and-gets-not-...

I went to court as a witness in this one. Even though the prosecution got the driver to admit they should have given me more space the Magistrates decided as I had not swerved or braked then it was not dangerous so the outcome was not guilty.

https://upride.cc/incident/dangerous-ford-fiesta-driver-fp63dsu/

The owner was taken to court for not supplying details and got a £519 fine, £201 Court costs and 6 points on their licence which is a good result as this is probably much more than they would have got otherwise.

Unfortunately the reports I've had feedback on in the last couple of months only say what the police intend to report the driver for but not the final result. Hopefully this will also be communicated in the future but so far I haven't heard anything.

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Bungle_52 replied to NOtotheEU | 9 months ago
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Thanks for the reply and the two links. The first one would have been a NFA in Gloucestershire in the past for that same reason, no swerving or braking. I do think things are changing though and judging from WMP recent video I think they would be treated differently now. As for the one who didn't identify the driver, as you say a good result but maybe not good as an example for what the police will take action on. As for road.cc not publishing your submissions I find that very disappointing. They have published all the ones I've sent in and I've always considered NMOTD a resource that could be used by anyone or any organisation campaigning to get the police to act on behalf of vulnerable road users.

I think some forces are getting better, I like to think NMOTD has played it's part in that, but if road.cc won't publish examples then perhaps upride woud be a better repository for the videos as you and WTJS are doing. That would be a great shame as you don't get the benefit of the discussion which I find very useful and informative. Also it doesn't give road.cc a chance to follow up with the forces concerned which they have done on a few occasions in the past.

Thanks again for the reply and for all your time, effort and expense in reporting. Quite impressed by the image quality of the DC1 by the way.

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NOtotheEU replied to Bungle_52 | 9 months ago
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I agree with you that NMOTD is very important in getting the message out there. It's what brought me to Road.cc and also one of the reasons I started running cameras and reporting drivers, along with seeing Cycling Mikey and Dave Sherry videos.

Upride is great but like you I would like to see a comments section. I have to thank WTJS for pointing the site out to me.

I'm sure Road.cc could use Upride videos for NMOTD, it is set up to shine a light on dangerous driving after all. Upride should have accounts that media companies like Road.cc could register for and then download videos and message the uploader within the site for more details while still allowing for the users privacy.

Sometimes the time and effort it takes really sucks. Spent hours Thursday night editing and reporting after three vehicles in a row close passed me in the pouring rain at night with a strong crosswind. I was still weaving about after the first one nearly hit me when the second one did the same and then the same again with the third one!

The DC1 really comes into it's own at night where my Drift Ghosts struggle with headlights. If one doesn't get them the other usually will.

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Matthew Acton-Varian | 10 months ago
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Road.cc wrote:

Locals at Worcester, are up in arms after many drivers were hit with £60 fines since the relaxations on parking restrictions in Henwick Park were curtailed this summer.

Out of all the fuss and commotion, one frustrated driver has said that he has now started cycling to the shops fearing he would be given a parking charge notice again, reports Worcester News.

...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 10 months ago
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So the penny has dropped for one... hopefully more will follow.

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HoldingOn replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 10 months ago
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Lets hope he doesn't visit Maastricht...

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wtjs | 10 months ago
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I greatly admire the Dutch Headwind Cyclists. Best of luck!

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brooksby | 10 months ago
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Those Portlanders look like yer average British utility cyclists.

Has Portlandia been lying to us all this time?  3

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mitsky | 10 months ago
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Adwitiya

Please stop writing articles implying that the vehicle is doing something seemingly of it's own accord (unless of course it is autonomous/self driving).
The vehicle is being operated by a human.

Headline
"Cyclists stand in front of truck to stop it from removing a bike lane..."
should be
"Cyclists stand in front of truck to stop removal of bike lane..."

"However, they were met with an obstacle in the shape of a truck sent to strip down..."
should be
"However, they were met with an obstacle in the shape of a truck being used to strip down..."

"Yesterday, concerned Portlanders took to the street to physically block the truck from going about with the stripping down."
should be
"Yesterday, concerned Portlanders took to the street to physically block the stripping down of the cycle lane."

"Several minutes passed and the truck left once again."
should be
"Several minutes passed and the truck operator left once again."

"They’re staying in shifts to make sure the trucks don’t return."
should be
"They’re staying in shifts to make sure the truck operators don’t return."

Read these guidelines: http://rc-rg.com

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alexuk replied to mitsky | 10 months ago
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Dude, you've got waaaay too much time on your hands. Why don't you go outside and pickup some litter or something; put this time of yours to better use?

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HarrogateSpa replied to alexuk | 10 months ago
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Language is important.

Far too often agency is attributed to vehicles, effectively removing blame from their drivers.

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Hirsute replied to HarrogateSpa | 10 months ago
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Yep, came across this earlier

"A man had to be rescued when his car went through the front of a house in Colchester."

These autonomous cars eh.

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