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"Eight people on bicycles occupy the space for one modern car": Cyclist's traffic photo sparks debate about "future of cities" and "efficiency" of cycle lanes + more on the live blog

Dan Alexander is on live blog duty this Thursday, bringing you your usual round-up of all the news, reaction, silliness and more from the world of cycling today
08:49
"Eight people on bicycles occupy the space for one modern car": Cyclist's traffic photo sparks debate about "future of cities" and "efficiency" of cycle lanes

Long-running live blog favourite BobFromAccounts snapped this photo of cyclists stopped at a set of traffic lights the other day. As an aside, having recently cycled in London at a peak commuting time, I can confirm it's now the norm to be queued at least five or six deep when waiting for the lights to change, such is the popularity of cycling in the capital.

Let your mind wander and you could easily daydream about being an assembled Tour de France pro mingling at the start of another stage with your peloton of colleagues... obviously greyer, wetter and colder in London than France in July, plus Tadej Pogačar never looked to his right and saw rivals on Santander Cycles or a Brompton.

Anyway, I digress, back to the point. BobFromAccounts shared the picture on social media. We've opted to embed the version from Bluesky rather than Twitter/X because... well... Elon Musk.

At least 8 people on bicycles occupy the space for 1 modern car. This is efficiency; this is the future of cities. Build more cycle infrastructure, as not everyone can or wants to drive

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— Bob From Accounts 🚲 (@bobfromaccounts.bsky.social) 14 January 2025 at 14:56

It was, unsurprisingly, on Twitter, however, where the 'liveliest' discussion came... so much so, Bob followed up the original post with this reply: "Enjoying the standard replies from those concerned about the 'weekly shop, cold, disabled, rain, hills' which, reading between the lines, are nothing more than wishing to drive everywhere without consequences."

Obviously, not everyone can cycle, but better bike lanes + more people cycling + less people driving = more room for those who genuinely do need to access driven journeys in London.

Bob had his work cut out replying to all the hundreds of other replies, many taking issue with his statements.

"1 x 16-seat minibus could use that same space," one said. "Which means double the people getting to where they want to be in comfort and much faster if the cyclists weren’t slowing them down."

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Bob's reply? "Obviously you've never ventured to London where the average speed of a motor vehicle is 8mph."

Mr minibus's last-ditch effort? "Yeah because they are stuck behind cyclists. To be fair no one in London should need a car. Public transport is far superior to anywhere else in the UK." Now we're getting somewhere...

We obviously couldn't let this pass with out road tax effort too... drumroll please...

Twitter road tax comment

Intriguingly, some furthered the point about fitting one bus in the space for 10 or 20 cyclists, apparently seeing it as some sort of 'gotcha', but in the process inadvertently aiding the argument for less private vehicle use in cities and major urban areas, with walking, cycling and public transport prioritised instead. 

It wasn't all blue tick accounts and fury... one commenter agreed single-occupant car use in London is "inefficient and unsociable" and suggested "really, cars, especially SUVs need to be removed from roads in city centres".

11:40
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11:00
Cycling Time Trials has a new website
Cycling Time Trials new website

Cycling Time Trials has given its website a new year refresh and it now includes new event timing features. The whole thing looks a lot more smart than the old site too, so give it a visit if you're interested.

Cycling Time Trials new website
10:46
Leadership changes at the top of Raleigh's parent company — Accell Group CEO "transition" comes following loss of €390 million in 2023, although company insists recovery "well on track" following 2024 "normalised stock levels" and "significant progress"

Accell Group, the parent company of brands such as Raleigh, Lapierre, Ghost and Babboe will soon have a new CEO, a "transition" seeing the chief operating officer stepping into the shoes of Tjeerd Jegen who is moving to the group's supervisory board, Bike Europe reports.

"It feels a natural moment to transition the leadership of the company. In 2024, we reached important milestones on our path to recovery. With the finalisation of the recapitalisation nearing, Accell enters its next phase of development," the outgoing CEO commented.

That "recovery" is from losses of €390 million in 2023, a figure that was revealed in Raleigh's recent accounts, the British bike brand itself posting a loss of £30.1 million in 2023. However, despite the eye-catching figures, the line from Accell Group is that the company is "well on track" to recovery and managed to normalise stock levels during a "challenging" 2024.

Raleigh logo at showroom

"As we look ahead, we are well positioned to benefit from the favourable macro trends and continue building on this momentum in the new year," Jegen said.

"All brands now benefit from joint stock management, and the stock levels of finished bikes, which peaked at the end of 2023, have now been brought back to normalised pre-Covid levels. The majority of the stock now consists of models produced in the past year. The inventory of parts and accessories had been brought back to normalised levels earlier in the year. We see sales to customers in our key markets increasing again."

In June, Accell's credit rating was downgraded for fourth time in a year, the blow coming at the same time that the group's cargo bike company Babboe was criticised for a "shambles" recall of faulty frames.

The group also made job cuts to streamline its European production, with two facilities merging and some production relocated to Hungary and Turkey. In October, the major Dutch cycling company did hint at its recovery, Accell reporting that parts and accessories inventory is already back to normal and bike inventory levels are expected to reach the same point by the end of 2024.

 

10:42
"If you get a knife held to your neck, you can't do anything": Mark Cavendish recounts "zombie knife" burglars who made him feel "helpless" in front of wife and kids
10:30
Plans submitted for "first steps" to transform Rhondda Tunnel into Europe's longest walking and cycling tunnel
Rhondda Tunnel (Image credit: Rhondda Tunnel Society)

[📷: Rhondda Tunnel Society]

An application has been submitted by The Rhondda Tunnel Society to Rhondda Cynon Taf Council (RCT) proposing the excavation of land to expose the Blaencwm portal of the Rhondda Tunnel, the plans the "first steps" of an ambitious project to reopen the disused tunnel as Europe's longest walking and cycling tunnel, Nation.Cymru reports.

The planning statement explains how "spanning nearly two miles, the restored tunnel would become Europe's longest walking and cycling tunnel".

Blaengwynfi station and the entrance to the tunnel before it was filled in (CC BY 2.0 Ben Salter:Flickr)

The tunnel is owned by the Department for Transport and managed by Highways England. It was opened in 1890 but closed permanently 80 years later.

"The aim of the Rhondda Tunnel Society is to create a unique visitor experience in the north of Rhondda Cynon Taf, which attracts people of all ages and abilities to the longest walking and cycling tunnel in Europe," the planning statement continued. "This is considered to contribute significantly to socio-economic growth both within RCT and across wider south Wales."

09:58
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09:36
Fabian Cancellara on TT-light Giro d'Italia route: "Seeing the drift of this specialty in the Grand Tours hurts me a lot, but this is the trend of modern cycling"
Fabian Cancellara (CC BY-NC-ND 2.0 licenced by sumofmarc:Flickr)

Fabian Cancellara hopes time trials make a return to prominence on Grand Tour parcours in the future, Spartacus saying it "hurts me a lot" seeing the "drift" away from TT-heavy routes. His comments to Bicisport come following the Giro d'Italia's route reveal on Monday, the opening Grand Tour of the season only to include two TT stages, a total of 42km over the three weeks.

"Seeing the drift of this speciality in the Grand Tours hurts me a lot," Cancellara, who won two Olympic golds and four world titles in the discipline, said. "But this is the trend of modern cycling. They say they are not 'spectacular' and now the top riders are the same on this terrain that no longer makes the difference. Too bad, I hope this can change in the future."

 Vuelta 2013 S11 ITT Fabian Cancellara (© Unicredit:Graham Watson)

Now the team manager of the ambitious Tudor Pro Cycling Team, Cancellara is hoping his squad will get a wildcard invite to the opening Grand Tour of the season. The Swiss team's off-season saw some big-name recruitment, Julian Alaphilippe and Marc Hirschi joining an ever-improving roster that already included Michael Storer, Matteo Trentin and Alberto Dainese.

Fabian Cancellara 2016 Olympic Games (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

"When we set up this project, we told ourselves that within five years at most we would enter the WorldTour," Cancellara explained. "We are on the right path, every year we are adding a piece to our puzzle, and even in the eyes of the public and industry insiders we have become a reality in all respects. Now they consider us and often fear us.

"Everyone is looking at Julian and Marc, but I'll tell you more: the best purchases for the season are not them. You can't imagine how important it is to build a strong team around these champions. I'm talking about mechanics, masseurs, trainers, cooks. We are now a structure that has more than 100 people. Then it's clear that with two riders like that, expectations rise.

"With a two-time world champion and a guy like Hirschi who is among the best in the world in the UCI Ranking, we obviously have to play a leading role. The Ardennes classics can be our main goal, but also the stages of the Grand Tours and the short stage races where we will be invited."

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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lesterama | 3 sec ago
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Re. the Rhondda tunnel, I rode the Old Caoling tunnel in Taiwan a few years ago. It was fantastic. I imagine the Rhondda tunnel would be similar, and would love to ride it - and routes around it.

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Hirsute | 49 min ago
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You lost me at
"stopped at a set of traffic lights".

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mctrials23 | 2 hours ago
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Ahh yes, the old minibus that takes 16 people exactly where each one of them wants to go and splits itself for each passengers destination.

The reason the car is so popular is because it takes you where you want to go, when you want to go, doesn't get cancelled, doesn't go around the houses and gets you there in comfort. Public transport works in places like London because there is so much of it that its easy enough and convenient enough to get people pretty much where they want to go with a small compromise in the other areas. 

Cycling gets you exactly where you want to go, when you want, faster than public transport and the only sacrifice is comfort and dealing with the elements. Oh and obviously the scrotes that want to steal your bike. 

Then again, its never been about arguing with any good points, its arguing against cyclists. Not cycling. Cyclists. Anti-cyclist knobs will spout any crap to support their dislike of us so that they don't have to admit they just don't like cyclists. 

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Steve K replied to mctrials23 | 2 hours ago
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I would just say, fine then - let's ban all motor vehicles except full minibuses.

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squired replied to mctrials23 | 1 hour ago
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In many ways the motorbike is the ideal form of transport, especially for commuting.  There are even good parking options normally.  I've always fancied the idea of one, but my Dad was badly messed up in a motorbike accident and that has always put me off.  Having said that, I don't own a car either and my last accident on my bike left me semi-badly messed up (two operations).

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HLaB replied to squired | 1 hour ago
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Sorry to hear that but was the accident really an accident (act of god etc) or a road collision caused by someones negligence?

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Secret_squirrel replied to squired | 57 min ago
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Depends what you mean by motorbike.  They are mostly overkill for commuting.   Motor scooters and ebikes are the sweetspot where the vast majority of town and city-centric commuters would benefit.

If we were visionary we'd allow covered electric mopeds - a lighterweight version of the old BMW C1 - with no need for a helmet.

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HLaB replied to mctrials23 | 1 hour ago
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Indeed, the 2m wide minibust that the closet racists (Anti Cyclists) would never actually use, no matter how good it was  7

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mctrials23 replied to HLaB | 1 hour ago
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Of course they wouldn't. In the same way they care deeply about disabled people having autonomy and freedom when a bike lane is being proposed but also want to cut disability benefits. Its what idiots come up with when they think they are being clever. 

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