Welcome to Tuesday’s live blog, with Jack Sexty, Simon MacMichael and the rest of the team.
Police say “no thanks” to cyclist’s vid of driver jumping red light – as TalkSport host makes BS claim that 95% of cyclists do just that; Good Samaritan cyclist; 3 cycling legends in hospital; TdF reaction; awful cycle path + more on the live blog
All today’s news from the site and beyond…
Tue, Oct 15, 2019 17:20
SUMMARY
15 October 2019, 17:20
Is this the world's worst cycle path?
‘Shameful’ Limassol cycle path will be corrected says municipality https://t.co/0FqOBXYQfP
— Cyprus Mail (@cyprusmail) October 14, 2019
The ‘path’ in Limossol, Cyprus consists of wobbly paint and is largely blocked by parked cars, with the head of Limassol’s European affairs projects Charis Trikkis telling Active Radio that the sight of it was “shocking” and it would be corrected: “The contractor started without looking at plans, without researching the area, and without guidance, to paint the sidewalks in this unappealing manner.”
In the meantime the road will be returned to its original state while the actual specifications for the path are investigated.
15 October 2019, 17:20
How a world champ's bike is made
The World Champion Trek Madone SLR’s bike build journey through Project One:
Painted in 7 hours.
Built in 45 minutes.
Ready for @Mads__Pedersen in 12 hours. pic.twitter.com/b2CRrhhxSX— Trek Bicycle (@TrekBikes) October 14, 2019
Watch the folks at Trek put together a rainbow-coloured Madone for new world champs Mads Pederson.
15 October 2019, 17:20
Talksport presenter plays anti-cyclist bingo (and is still arguing about it days later)
“Cyclists, particularly in London, are the biggest pain in the backside!”
“Don’t get me started on bike lanes, what a waste of time that is!”
“I tell you what else they do…”
Today’s Grind My Gears was extended after @AndyGoldstein05 had endless reasons he hated bikes. pic.twitter.com/IrOcTJzDIu
— talkSPORT (@talkSPORT) October 11, 2019
It all started on October 11th when Talksport presenter Andy Goldstein went on air to state that 95% of cyclists jump red lights, and that they don’t have ‘road tax’ that he claims to pay. Goldstein also complains about a cycle lane being installed on Upper Thames Street, one of the most congested roads in London, saying: “why do you need a car lane for a bike.”
This bloke. Telling me my findings of seeing cyclists going through red lights are “falsehoods”.. Weird that so many of you have also found these “falsehoods” suppose we’re all making it up now …. https://t.co/KUXDROV4oV
— Andy Goldstein MBE (@andygoldstein05) October 14, 2019
For the people in the cheap seats:
Cyclists go through red lights (as do motorists).
Some cyclists don’t have insurance.
Those are dislikes of mine.
(Obviously forget about the road tax thing).
— Andy Goldstein MBE (@andygoldstein05) October 14, 2019
Goldstein, whose colleagues Alan Brazil and Dean Saunders both have drink-driving convictions, continued to berate anyone who questioned his ‘logic’ on Twitter, although eventually realised that he doesn’t actually pay ‘road tax’, and conceded that people using other modes of transport also break the rules of the road.
One of those people was journalist Pete Walker, and Goldstein is waiting for his reply to the supposed trump card that some cyclists jump red lights. We can’t wait for the retort…
15 October 2019, 17:20
Livestream: Tour de France 2020 route presentation
The route of next year’s Tour de France is being presented in Paris this morning – follow the livestream below to find out where the race is heading.
15 October 2019, 17:20
Here's the 2020 Tour de France route
Here’s the route of next year’s Tour de France – one that, the past two days apart, will be played out entirely in the southern half of the country, with a heavy emphasis on the Alps, visited in the days following the Grand Depart in Nice and again in the closing week.
The race may well be decided further north on the penultimate day, however, with an individual time trial that has a summit finish on La Planche des Belles Filles ahead of the traditional finish on the Champs-Elysees in Paris.
More about the route on road.cc shortly.
15 October 2019, 17:20
Le Col de la Loze makes Le Tour debut
Le Col de la Loze, a newbie on the Tour’s route.
Le Col de la Loze, un nouveau-venu sur la route du Tour.#TDF2020 pic.twitter.com/ZLwCjpyHH4— Tour de France (@LeTour) October 15, 2019
It looks pretty fearsome and is 2,304m high at the top according to this footage. Meanwhile, stage 18 looks like a piece of cake…
Stage 18 holy cow! #letour2020 @LeTour pic.twitter.com/adHZCmXUTk
— James Smith (@RUTrainingToday) October 15, 2019
15 October 2019, 17:20
Glasgow awarded Bike City status by the UCI
Glasgow has been awarded Bike City status by the UCI, the first place in Scotland to achieve this after Yorkshire in England bagged the title in 2018. It comes after the city was chosen to host the first UCI World Championships earlier this year, which will bring together 13 separate disciplines in a single event for the first time in 2023.
Glasgow City Council claims to have increased cycling by 200% since launching their cycling strategy in 2010, buoyed by the 2014 Commonwealth Games and an increase in 20mph zones. Investment has continued into improving the city’s bike infrastructure and promoting cycling since the Commonwealths, with a £4.8m partnership between Glasgow Sport, HSBC, British and Scottish Cycling set to run until 2025 to support cycling amongst young people from under-represented groups. There is continued criticism of Glasgow’s various painted white lines acting as cycle lanes (above)
The timing is a little unfortunate as Scottish Parliament last week announced it wouldn’t be closing up a loophole that allows cars to park on some cycle lanes built after 2016, a decision that Cycling UK says ignores the safety of cyclists. On the other hand, Scotland did bring in a nationwide ban on pavement parking last week.
15 October 2019, 17:20
Eddy Merckx to remain in hospital for further checks after fall
After news of the the Belgian legend’s fall during a group ride on Sunday which resulted in haemorrhaging, Sudpresse report that the 74-year-old will now undergo more examinations in hospital and remain there ‘for a few days’, although he is out of intensive care.
It’s thought that Merckx rides every Sunday morning without fail accompanied by his friends – some former teammates – before returning home for a drink and to discuss the good old days. Sudpresse claim the heavy fall could have been the result of a ‘malaise’, although the exact details haven’t been confirmed. The precautions are mostly because Merckx wears a pacemaker, although it’s reported he is now feeling better.
15 October 2019, 17:20
‘Monsieur Paris-Roubaix’ Roger De Vlaeminck the latest cycling legend to be hospitalised
‘Monsieur Paris-Roubaix’ Roger De Vlaeminck is the third cycling great of the 60s and 70s to have been hospitalised in the space of a week.
Sporza reports that the 72-year-old, who won the Hell of the North four times and along with Rik Rik van Looy and Eddy Merckx is one of only three men to have won all five Monuments, was admitted to hospital in Eeklo on Saturday with a fever and chills. As yet, doctors have not made a diagnosis.
Merckx himself was hospitalised at the weekend with a head injury after falling from his bike during a ride, and Raymond Poulidor, three-time a runner-up at the Tour de France and the grandfather of Mathieu van der Poel, has been in hospital for the past three weeks, although his condition is said to have improved in recent days.
15 October 2019, 17:20
2020 Tour de France route "very much to my liking", says Julian Alaphilippe
Following his two-week streak in yellow this year, the 27-year-old Frenchman thinks that although there are plenty of tough stages in the 2020 route announced this morning, there are some parts that will play to his strengths. He said at the route unveiling: “I will study the parcours in detail together with the team, but what I can already say is that it’s one of the toughest editions in recent years, with a demanding opening weekend in the south that will create some gaps and several gruelling climbs. On paper, there are a couple of stages that suit me, but I will know more once I do the recon.
“What I can tell you for now is that I won’t go for the general classification, as next season I will have other goals. Overall, is a parcours that I like, with many new climbs, which will make the race more interesting and spectacular, but at the same time, harder, and I can’t wait to be at the start in Nice.”
15 October 2019, 17:20
Good samaritan finds wallet of fellow cyclist... and tracks him down by sending him 1p bank transfers
I just lost my wallet on the way home from work. I didn’t have much identifying info in there so a good Samaritan got in touch with my via my… bank account
4x transfers of £0.01 each with a reference up to 18 chars pic.twitter.com/RVK8I1ZctQ
— Tim Cameron (@Timcammm) October 14, 2019
Tim Cameron dropped his wallet when he was riding home on Monday evening in Islington; and after retracing his route and just about to give up on finding it again, he stared to receive mysterious 1p transactions appearing in his account.
Very proud to say the ‘good samaritan’ going viral here in @standardnews is @korukids ‘ very own Simon Byford! Here’s to having the best people in the Koru Kids family https://t.co/zf1lXTbj88
— Koru Kids (@korukids) October 15, 2019
The payments were from Mr.Cameron’s saviour Simon Byford, who had to send four messages to explain with the 18 character limit that he had the wallet, and a number to call to arrange collection.
Mr. Cameron told the Evening Standard: “I cycled round, got my wallet back and gave him a bottle of red wine. It had all my bank cards and ID cards in it so it would have been an absolute disaster.
“He was a nice bloke. He was going to hand it in to the police and he had tried to find me on Facebook. I was going to go to the police after I had retraced my steps but this happened first. It all happened within 90 minutes of getting home, it was crazy how quick it was. It was very clever.”
15 October 2019, 17:20
Cyclist films driver ignoring red light - police not interested
Our lead story on the live blog this morning (scroll down) was about a TalkShow radio host who claimed, with nothing to back it up, that 95 per cent of cyclists ride through red lights.
Which among other things would mean that in a single phase, around 200 would have gone through the ones in the picture above, which shows nine cyclists (and probably more out of shot) waiting patiently for a green light.
Back in the garage, our road.cc bullshit detector has been crackling like a Geiger counter at Chernobyl on that one.
By pure coincidence, we also got an email from road.cc reader Phil about the reaction he got from Humberside Police when he told them he had video of a driver “going through a blatant red light” and offered to send them the footage.
In reply, they said:
Unfortunately due to evidential reasons our force policy is that we don’t accept video footage from members of the public, however, thank you for bringing it to our attention and it is useful for intelligence purposes so I will pass it onto that team to be aware of.
Phil added: “In the past they have even asked me to email them video and photos but then changed their mind.
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Jack has been writing about cycling and multisport for over a decade, arriving at road.cc via 220 Triathlon Magazine in 2017. He worked across all areas of the website including tech, news and video, and also contributed to eBikeTips before being named Editor of road.cc in 2021 (much to his surprise). Jack has been hooked on cycling since his student days, and currently has a Trek 1.2 for winter riding, a beloved Bickerton folding bike for getting around town and an extra beloved custom Ridley Helium SLX for fantasising about going fast in his stable. Jack has never won a bike race, but does have a master’s degree in print journalism and two Guinness World Records for pogo sticking (it’s a long story).
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EdwardPickering 7 hours ago
Fair point – not every bike lane is perfect. But in this case, it's the only safe way for cyclists from the heavily populated eastern districts of Exeter into the city centre. Have a look at a map of Exeter, and you can see that the main thoroughfares from the east are Topsham Road and Honiton Road/Fore St/Heavitree Road. Take it from me that these are not conducive to cycling. So Dryden Road and the E9 are a pretty well-placed and vital bit of infrastructure. The joining points aren't all done yet, which is a pain, but it's getting close to an actual strategic network, rather than random bits of bike path. Agreed that Exeter needs strategic planning on a complete cycling network, and the roads I mentioned above could easily fit bike lanes as well. E9 is overall not too bad – it links residential areas via quiet and safe (currently) routes to the city centre, passing several schools and the hospital, plus out-of-town offices on the eastern edge. But shoving cars back into this stretch of it is a real backward step, and the council officers' own report admits that it will be made unsafe enough that it will likely put people off cycling on it. Maybe there are a few bad bike routes out there, but this isn't one of them.
Mr Blackbird 9 hours ago
To all cycling fans and up and coming pro cyclists. That is what happens when you follow a Deliveroo moped.
Mr Blackbird 9 hours ago
I have already registered my cycle numberplate, ready for the day Farage ascends to power : Front Plate FR33M4N IS 4 CUNT Rear Plate F4R4G3 IS 4 W4NK4R
Mr Blackbird 9 hours ago
Yes. And some of those obscured number plates will be cloned.
takksam 9 hours ago
The image you've used of a deliveroo rider could well be a legal bike. It's a geared ebike hub (which can't handle massive watts, due to plastic planetary gears). I'm not saying it's totally legal but it definitely could be. Anyone who can provide proof it is illegally modified is welcome to respond. Can't see a throttle or anything like that.
Judith Acre 10 hours ago
This is completely unacceptable. NSN Cycling Team just issued an apology and removed Watts from a race tomorrow. I wonder what was leading up to this incident. From my experience, sometimes a verbal provocation is very quiet and invisible. But nothing justifies this dangerous violence.
GMearnsy 12 hours ago
Mr Loo Pole. Famous for finding legal loopholes to excuse his clients on technical grounds. Fails to realise that speed limits are for motor vehicles. Cyclists are not breaking the speed limit, they are not motor vehicles. Simples.
oceandweller 14 hours ago
Followed the wheel in front up the wrong road? Been there, done that, eh?
pockstone 16 hours ago
Calling somebody a C..t is a "nasty thing to do". No public order offence???
ktache 16 hours ago
Fine knowledge. I'm still running late 90s xtr and early to mid 90s xt.
37 thoughts on “Police say “no thanks” to cyclist’s vid of driver jumping red light – as TalkSport host makes BS claim that 95% of cyclists do just that; Good Samaritan cyclist; 3 cycling legends in hospital; TdF reaction; awful cycle path + more on the live blog”
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FTFY
brooksby wrote:
TalkSport presenter states that 95% of what he says is horsehit.
Talksport- radio for the
Talksport- radio for the stupid! But unfortunately its audience are those who generally treat cyclists with contempt.
Talking garbage about
Talking garbage about cyclists is now a sport? They need to change “port” in the show name to “hite”
So by the same logic, 2/3 of
So by the same logic, 2/3 of talk radio presenters have drink drive convictions. Maybe it would be safer to remove all of them from the road?
Mungecrundle wrote:
Also by the same logic, those in the media business are probably paedophiles. Say, 95% of them? I’ll go with that. Just remove them from society.
Whats the point of talking
Whats the point of talking sport anyway? Surely the whole point of sport is to do it.
That Goldstein thicky is just
That Goldstein thicky is just being controversial to up his profile.
He presents the 10-1am slot of a sports radio show.. hardly noticeable.. and is known for well not a lot really.
Dat Tour route…
via GIPHY
Dat Tour route…
via GIPHY
Liam Cahill wrote:
Lord! Remember when Chris Pratt did comedy instead of action-hero-with-CGI-things…?
According to Wikipedia:
According to Wikipedia:
“Andy Goldstein is a British television presenter and radio broadcaster [who] presented Soccer AM on Saturday mornings, succeeding Tim Lovejoy“
So, he is a poor man’s Tim Lovejoy? Is that…. is that even possible?!?!!
Cars pay fa anyway.
Cars pay fa anyway.
If I remember correctly, prime movers single trailers cost loads more in tax road use than cars and multiple combination prime movers are double that.
The full size box trailer of the truck combination adds another tax near equal to a car usage amount yet the half box of a B-double combination costs loads more than the rear trailer. Reasoning including that because of the rapid successive impact by utilizing a bdouble combo the road wear is increased significantly thus the small trailer costs more road tax than the big trailer. Ain’t double, ain’t quadruple, keep going..
Hence cold temperature car drivers can pretend to understand road tax yet I’ll just going carving channels with my tree stumps because my bicycle excessively wears at the surface.
Should anyone have wondered
Should anyone have wondered what this clown got his MBE for…………
‘having beaten Steve Davis as part of a feature on the All Sports Show, supposedly taking Davis’ roll of honour (including his MBE, OBE, six World Championships and his Mosconi Cup win) with victory. When introducing the following week’s All Sports Show, the caption on the screen read ‘Andy Goldstein OBE MBE’
I am all for freedom of the
I am all for freedom of the press but don’t we have a media watchdog that’ll fine them for stupid hate speech :-/
I am all for freedom of the
I am all for freedom of the press but don’t we have a media watchdog that’ll fine them for stupid hate speech :-/
Like a red like in he’ll..
Like a red like in he’ll..
I’m dumb. Without knowledge whether humour or weather true.
Car drivers on fever. Hot in he’ll. Decisions to make knowing you’re my brother.
Yet you’ll cycling. Heave on. Flows a lot better.
Even beginners get a better view such as a view from a blimp of our terrain. A stairway to heave on.
Just a cruiser.
Yet I’m pretty sure that someone flowing with heave on is enjoying life hence would rather share enjoyment.
Must have been a yellow light.
Heave on upon Earth. Cycling is fun and we need our ozone.
BTW I’m knot religious. We eat, we breathe. That’s about all I know
Boatsie wrote:
Are you pissed? Well at least 95% pissed?
PP
Pilot Pete wrote:
Are you pissed? Well at least 95% pissed?
PP— Boatsie
Know. Lol. Just at our system.
Just common sense.. Car drivers might understand destruction of hosts barrier needs yet simple idiots such as myself understand to ride and enjoy building a heave on.
Hence a childish argument.. No ma, I’m not doing wrong. Planet’s huge, it’ll survive.
I had great neighbours a while. Kids. Guessing 4-8 years age. Probably 4 of them. Used to knock all the time.. Repair punctures, alignment, basic bikes. Dropped $500 while fixing the boys bike on the front yard. The little girl asked me if the grounded money was mine.
Pretty happy too. B
Pilot Pete wrote:
Are you pissed? Well at least 95% pissed?
PP— Boatsie
Nope – that’s just our Boatsie. They’re like a mascot, or a freeform poet, or something
brooksby wrote:
Or totally stoned.
burtthebike wrote:
Lol. I don’t do weed. My head was broken 25 years ago. Tectonic plates attached. Totally weird career offers time ago.
My head ache recent just lifted. Lasted 30hours hurtful, then dumb dumb totaled 72+ hours. Eg +32hours.
Stuffed head here.. Just going cycling..
Yeah stoned. Some of that I get.. Rather than royalties, remember my loyalties.
The second time I broke my ankle, although riding daily many many years I couldn’t stop mind yell repeating, “King Tut, King Tut. ” I stacked it. Hundreds of chants. Then watched the news and Go D of Tut had moisture. A team had had a gauk.
Those Stones are unbelievable to many.
Pretty easy from my view. Put the conductors back. Including the square in China.
Very kind men too. They’re stoned or were stoned. 😉
brooksby wrote:
Throwback to the beat poets?
Pilot Pete wrote:
Are you pissed? Well at least 95% pissed?
PP— Boatsie
Sooooo… you’ve never seen a ‘Boatsie’ post before…!
One might have thought that
One might have thought that people who talk about sport might appreciate the benefits of exercise; other than wagging their tongues obviously.
One of my kids once found a
One of my kids once found a phone case with a phone and bank cards and stuff in it at a motorway service station. I called one of his banks but they weren’t bothered – said they’d cancel the card but wouldn’t call him on my behalf. I couldn’t find him on Facebook and the phone was dead so I couldn’t wait for someone to call it. I found a pay slip in the case which had his employer’s name on it so I looked them up and ended up calling the MD who was on holiday at the time, but confirmed the guy was an employee and said he’d get in touch with him so I gave him my details. I got a call the next day and it turned out the owner lived fairly close by so he came and picked up the phone and gave me £20 to spend on my kids. All’s well that ends well.
Just to comment that not all
Just to comment that not all good Samaritans are good. If you lose your bank cards, cancel them even if someone calls you to say they have your wallet and not to bother. They could just be trying to prevent them from being cancelled so they can use them.
True story.
Mungecrundle wrote:
True, though more banks now seem to be offering the service where you can temporarily freeze your cards so it’s less of a rigmarole.
This is a true story but you
This is a true story but you probably won’t believe it.
Back in the midst of time my grandmother, who I never even met as she died shortly after I born,once went to the Isle of Man on holiday with my father who was a young man at the time.
Being daft she used to take ALL her cash with her. £2k in the 50s!! She left it on a bench in a shopping bag……and it was STILL THERE when she went back for it a while later and nothing was taken. My old man then made her invest it into a house if she was going to insist she didn’t trust banks etc.
It’s about the equivalent of leaving £50k in cash on a bench now. I’d guess nobody would even hand it in, never mind not even touch it.
Rick_Rude wrote:
i’m fairly sure the overwhelming majority of people nowadays would hand it in. The difference between then and now is that your grandmother would be promptly arrested and charged with money laundering.
Living in Hull, it doesn’t
Living in Hull, it doesn’t surprise me for a second that Humberside Police would take that attitude to anything produced by a cyclist … this is the police force that, a few years ago, insisted to the local authority that a long established sportive could only run if roads to be closed (when it had never had to have then closed before), and then informed the council that it would not sign off on closing the roads for the event.
Yeah … they don’t care.
As a regular cyclist in
As a regular cyclist in Glasgow, I’m baffled how they won this award. Glasgow has the most disjointed cycling infrastructure you’ve ever seen. GCC stating they have improved infrastructure to them means painting a bike in a bus lane or sticking up shared use signs on any pavents they can. The very few decent bike lanes in the city last for no more than a minute and then you’re merging back in to traffic. That traffic being some of the most aggressive and confrontational towards cyclists I’ve seen over several years of city centre commuting.
Personally been knocked down once in the city centre, and again while riding in towards the city due to a complete lack of proper infrastructure.
On my lunchtime stroll to the
On my lunchtime stroll to the supermarket today I noted the following.
86 motorised vehicles
Of which:
1 person using their mobile phone, holding it in front of their face whilst talking
6 others distracted – smoking x 3, eating an apple, drinking a costa, reading paperwork
1 quite clearly speeding in a 30 mph zone
1 parked on double yellow lines
Unknown number: untaxed, uninsured, unlicenced, no MOT, inebriated or unfit through eyesight, medical condition or drugs.
2 cyclists: Doing nothing wrong at all.
Which means that at any one time around 10% of motorists are actually doing something punishable by fine or endorsement whilst 100% of cyclists are law abiding saints*.
* I suspect a larger survey group may be required.
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By remarkable coincidence, I read today that Humberside are proposing an operation close pass type thing…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/england/humberside
Besides, how’s a cyclist
Besides, how’s a cyclist supposed to cross an intersection? On the motorbike I often had to cross the line and wave the car forward or no trigger would apply. Didn’t bother me, the girls at the speed limit without a ratio change in less than a second if blapped. Yet same with bicycle. At night, gliding silently along, I can’t be bothered camping out until a vehicle travels route. Nothing around, go.
I don’t think many motorists love heave on as much as the tired cyclist.
Earth has probability of surviving higher than Earths Heave on. Our life host exists, enjoy.
So inefficient. 1 transfer of
So inefficient. 1 transfer of 0.01p with a phone number should be enough of a clue to someone who has lost their wallet.
Unfortunately due to
Unfortunately due to evidential reasons our force policy is that we don’t accept video footage from members of the public, however, thank you for bringing it to our attention and it is useful for intelligence purposes so I will pass it onto that team to be aware of
This translates to: sod off! we will pay no attention to whatever you send in- I have heard this ‘evidential reasons’ meaningless tripe from Lancashire. The red light passing offence (1.5 seconds after turning red, no action at all, fobbed off with ‘neighbourhood policing team are aware and dealing’ 5 months after the immaculately filmed case had been immediately binned) is now going through the police complaints procedure and very likely then onto the PCC. ‘Intelligence purposes’ and ‘pass onto that team’ also indicate ‘straight in the bin’. We can add Humberside to Lancashire and Essex (at least!) in The Really Duff Forces List.
Sorry- realised too late this
Sorry- realised too late this is an ancient story