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Live blog: Police fire off a letter after viewing footage of horrific hit and run on cyclist; Mail presents cyclist fatalities as ‘cyclists killing more people’; Brailsford talks down scale of Ineos protests at Tour de Yorkshire + more

All the cycling news from this site and beyond…
  • by Alex Bowden
Fri, May 03, 2019 07:52
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SUMMARY

  • Brailsford talks down scale of Ineos protests at Tour de Yorkshire
  • “Cyclists kill more people than motorists in Holland” says Daily Mail in elite-level victim-blaming headline
  • Well at least someone's looking on the bright side
  • ICYMI... what a shot this is
  • 7 hill climbs in one day....no thanks!
  • Tour de Yorkshire stage ends...
  • ... and another begins
  • Most parents think learning to ride a bike is ‘a vital life skill’ yet just two per cent of journeys are made by bike
  • DT Swiss reveals Ratchet EXP hub system
  • Met Police leaps into action after viewing footage of horrific hit and run on cyclist…
  • Ex-Premier League star laid low after four Ironman triathlons in four days
  • Fresh from Bespoked Bristol
  • Wooden bike anyone?
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3 May 2019, 07:52

Brailsford talks down scale of Ineos protests at Tour de Yorkshire

We reported on some of the protests against fracking and Team Ineos in yesterday’s live blog, but speaking at the stage finish in Selby, Sir Dave Brailsford was keen to play down the number of activists.

“I had to hunt them down first because I couldn’t find them,” he told Cyclingnews.

“There was hardly anybody there, let’s be honest – let’s be real for once. The 15,000-mob that was to attack me this morning didn’t really materialise. That’s the reality. There were people there with the right to an opinion and I respect that but they’ve got a right to their opinion and that’s it.”

Many have questioned the wisdom of launching Team Ineos in Yorkshire, where the sponsor holds licences to carry out fracking, but Brailsford was comfortable with the decision.

“If we’d had any concerns about launching in Yorkshire we wouldn’t have done it. We were right not to have any concerns because there are people here and they’re enjoying it. Let’s report that.”

Referring to the hordes of cycling fans at the finish, he said: “You might have people with flags but what about these people here? Does their opinion matter any less? No it doesn’t.”

Somewhat labouring the point, he continued: “If you have a balance, I can see here now way more people than had flags. That’s just true. That’s facts and evidence. If you count the number of people here and the people with flags this morning… How many were there? Twenty? And how many here? There are more, aren’t there?”

3 May 2019, 07:52

“Cyclists kill more people than motorists in Holland” says Daily Mail in elite-level victim-blaming headline

Another day, another wilfully skewed Daily Mail cycling headline. “Cyclists kill more people than motorists in Holland for the first time in the bicycle-loving country’s history,” reads today’s.

The article begins: “Cyclists have claimed more lives than motorists in Holland for the first time in the nation’s history, shocking new figures show. Between 2017 and 2018, 206 people were killed in bicycle accidents compared to 201 by cars, according to Statistics Netherlands.”

Ah, now the picture grows clearer. The lives being claimed by these cyclists are, almost exclusively, their own – and in fact, there’s nothing to say that they were even responsible.

What these figures actually show is that more Dutch cyclists are being killed than motorists. In the Mail’s world by ‘being killed’ cyclists are ‘killing people’.

The “new” figures actually came out over a year ago. Here’s our report.

3 May 2019, 07:52

Well at least someone's looking on the bright side

So much support already for the new team!!! People have put so much effort into making banners and masks. I heard one man say “it’s fracking marvellous”. Not sure the swearing was necessary but I share the sentiment!!

— UK Cycling Expert (@ukcyclingexpert) May 2, 2019

Another fine observation from UK Cycling Expert. Chateau! 

3 May 2019, 07:52

ICYMI... what a shot this is

Proper @letouryorkshire #photography alert @TeamDiData rider Nicholas Dlamini #TeamSWpix @_AlexBroadway_ follow the race all on https://t.co/pZvqP4zLef pic.twitter.com/7TvU8JfmnC

— simon wilkinson (@swpixtweets) May 2, 2019

All credit to Simon Wilkinson of SWpix… photo of the year so far without a doubt. 

3 May 2019, 07:52

7 hill climbs in one day....no thanks!


Take a look at this great video showing the insanity of this part race, part sportive event known at the Magnificent 7.

3 May 2019, 07:52

Tour de Yorkshire stage ends...

It was a stage for the sprinters and, unlike their male counterparts in yesterday’s TDY stage, the peloton refused to let the break steal the limelight and a bunch sprint saw Lorena Wiebes (Parkhotel Valkenburg CT) cross the line first.https://t.co/R7mLnrxcyj

#WTDY pic.twitter.com/HAA0jDzhor

— Tour de Yorkshire  (@letouryorkshire) May 3, 2019

3 May 2019, 07:52

... and another begins

They’re off! Stage two gets underway from Barnsley, see you in Bedale… #TDY  pic.twitter.com/ZePEQCWvqw

— Tour de Yorkshire  (@letouryorkshire) May 3, 2019

3 May 2019, 07:52

Most parents think learning to ride a bike is ‘a vital life skill’ yet just two per cent of journeys are made by bike

Bit of a disconnect.

Full story here.

3 May 2019, 07:52

DT Swiss reveals Ratchet EXP hub system

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041_RatchetEXP_MORE_PRECISION_detail (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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041_RatchetEXP_MORE_PRECISION_detail (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

DT Swiss has released details of its new Ratchet EXP system (top pic, above) which is said to be lighter, stiffer and more precise than its existing Ratchet system (lower pic, above).

DT Swiss’s freewheel system has long made use of two ratchets featuring various numbers of teeth (18, 36 and 54-tooth versions). Two springs push the ratchets against one another so that all the teeth engage when you pedal, while the teeth move apart when you’re coasting.

The new Ratchet EXP system is based on a similar concept but one of the ratchets is now threaded into the hub shell. A single spring pushes the second ratchet into the first one so that the teeth engage when you pedal. 

041_RatchetEXP_MORE_PRECISION
041_RatchetEXP_MORE_PRECISION (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
041_RatchetEXP_MORE_PRECISION
041_RatchetEXP_MORE_PRECISION (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

DT Swiss says that reducing the number of components not only increases durability, it reduces the overall weight, improves reliability and stiffens up the system.

“A single cylindrical spring ensures a faster full engagement and therefore an increase in reliability,” says DT Swiss. 

“The hub stiffness is significantly defined by the distance between the bearings. For optimal performance it is important to maximise this distance, which is limited by the size of the freehub system.

“In the previous system the driveside bearing had to be placed next to the threaded ring and therefore the distance couldn’t be increased. The integration of the driveside bearing into the threaded ring increases the bearing distance, resulting in a 15% improvement in hub stiffness.”

All DT Swiss Ratchet system hubs can be converted to Ratchet EXP.

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PHO_H18PNCDJR28SA4708S_HIG_PRT_901 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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PHO_H18PNCDJR28SA4708S_HIG_PRT_901 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Ratchet EXP will at first come only in DT Swiss’s 180 hubs although you can expect it to make an appearance elsewhere in the range sooner or later.

They ain’t cheap, though. We don’t have UK prices yet but whether you go for a disc or a non-disc version, a road front hub with SINC Ceramic bearings is €261.90 while the rear is €486.90. You can have a Shimano 11-speed, SRAM XRD or Campag freehub body.

3 May 2019, 07:52

Met Police leaps into action after viewing footage of horrific hit and run on cyclist…

Yesterday we reported how hit and run victim Thonmoy Josh Dey was asked by police to go and get the CCTV footage of the collision himself.

Understandably, he said he made it his first priority once he got out of hospital.

Thankfully, the Met have really leapt into action since viewing that footage…

The police have leapt into action here by urgently sending a letter to the address the car is registered at, and then waiting to see if they get a reply https://t.co/RjzgMA76mk

— Mark Treasure (@AsEasyAsRiding) May 2, 2019

3 May 2019, 07:52

Ex-Premier League star laid low after four Ironman triathlons in four days

Francis Benali still hoping to restart his charity challenge tomorrow.

Full story here.

3 May 2019, 07:52

Fresh from Bespoked Bristol

 
 
 
 
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More cool stuff, check out the ultimate adjustable stem and that urban bike from the Old Grey Electric Co… don’t think it’s electric tho #bespokeduk

A post shared by road.cc (@road.cc) on May 3, 2019 at 6:19am PDT

Here are some eye-candy bikes to see you through the rest of Friday afternoon.

3 May 2019, 07:52

Wooden bike anyone?

 
 
 
 
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No bike show is complete without some wooden bikes, never seen a fork tho with a wooden steerer – check out those alu dropouts made from recycled Audi wheels. That bike has 15K miles in it

A post shared by road.cc (@road.cc) on May 3, 2019 at 8:08am PDT

This one has even got dropouts made from old Audi wheels…

Audi driver jokes in the comments, please!

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29 thoughts on “Live blog: Police fire off a letter after viewing footage of horrific hit and run on cyclist; Mail presents cyclist fatalities as ‘cyclists killing more people’; Brailsford talks down scale of Ineos protests at Tour de Yorkshire + more”

  1. Velovoyeur
    May 3, 2019 at 8:16 am
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    Let’s face it. First and

    Let’s face it. First and foremeost Brailsford is a team principle who needed someone to fund his team to the tune of £32m. This was his primary concern: to make sure that the team stays operational.  He didn’t have a long queue of sponsors to choose from so his conscience or ethical beleifs had to take a back seat.  Of course he is going to fail to acknowledge any protesters who have objections to his sponsor.

     

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  2. ianguignet
    May 3, 2019 at 9:15 am
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    Like he gives a shite about

    Like he gives a shite about the environment…  knobhead

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  3. Timsen
    May 3, 2019 at 9:27 am
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    First and foremost Brailsford

    First and foremost Brailsford is a team principal !

    Perhaps we could all celebrate some mainstream interest & serious money into cycling rather than focussing on any perceived negatives.  Let’s judge the guy when we’ve seen how this develops and whether he is in fact “greenwashing ” . The Green Party, CND etc would all make great sponsors but they don’t seem able to raise the cash or have the inclination to get involved !

     

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    • earth
      May 3, 2019 at 11:06 am
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      Timsen wrote:

      First and foremost Brailsford is a team principal !

      Perhaps we could all celebrate some mainstream interest & serious money into cycling rather than focussing on any perceived negatives.  Let’s judge the guy when we’ve seen how this develops and whether he is in fact “greenwashing ” . The Green Party, CND etc would all make great sponsors but they don’t seem able to raise the cash or have the inclination to get involved !

       

      — Timsen

       

      The thing is CND and the Greens have more members that collective IQ.  Rather than supporting healthy, environmentally friendly cycling they would rather pollute the air in Volvos, VWs and buses.

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    • earth
      May 3, 2019 at 11:06 am
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      Timsen wrote:

      First and foremost Brailsford is a team principal !

      Perhaps we could all celebrate some mainstream interest & serious money into cycling rather than focussing on any perceived negatives.  Let’s judge the guy when we’ve seen how this develops and whether he is in fact “greenwashing ” . The Green Party, CND etc would all make great sponsors but they don’t seem able to raise the cash or have the inclination to get involved !

       

      — Timsen

       

      The thing is CND and the Greens have more members that collective IQ.  Rather than supporting healthy, environmentally friendly cycling they would rather pollute the air in Volvos, VWs and buses.

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      • FluffyKittenofTindalos
        May 3, 2019 at 2:40 pm
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        earth wrote:

        First and foremost Brailsford is a team principal !

        Perhaps we could all celebrate some mainstream interest & serious money into cycling rather than focussing on any perceived negatives.  Let’s judge the guy when we’ve seen how this develops and whether he is in fact “greenwashing ” . The Green Party, CND etc would all make great sponsors but they don’t seem able to raise the cash or have the inclination to get involved !

         

        — earth

         

        The thing is CND and the Greens have more members that collective IQ.  Rather than supporting healthy, environmentally friendly cycling they would rather pollute the air in Volvos, VWs and buses.

        — Timsen

         

        The thing is, your first sentence is complete gibberish – ironic that you appear to be attempting to call other people ‘thick’ while being too dim to do so coherently.

         

        Your second sentence is an unsupported assertion based on something you just made up. 

        Neither contributes anything of value.

         

        However, per the previous poster, I don’t see why anyone would expect a sports cycling team to have any particular political agenda.  That assumption itself seems misguded.  Why would they be any different to a team in any other sport?

          And political parties and organisations tend to be looking for funding themselves, they don’t usually go in for sponsoring other organisations.

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  4. ktache
    May 3, 2019 at 9:33 am
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    Goading protestors doesn’t

    Goading protestors doesn’t seem like a rational response to me.  They can be quite disruptive if they choose to be.  Protest does appear to be part of every TdF I’ve ever watched, they cope, I watched “Hell of the North” just before the race this year, there’s race stopping protest in that, they manage.

    I am in no way advocating acts of sabotage.  There is a massive difference.

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    • Simon E
      May 3, 2019 at 6:14 pm
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      ktache wrote:

      Goading protestors doesn’t seem like a rational response to me.  They can be quite disruptive if they choose to be. 

      — ktache

      Brailsford has ‘form’ for being bullish and refusing to bow to pressure from the media or public.

      You don’t get to run a team as big as Sky for 10 years by being a compliant people-pleaser. He knew that the partnership would upset some and will have thought long and hard about what to say about the involvement of INEOS and pro-Brexit billionare Ratcliffe in cycling.

      After last night’s election results, with my area staying solidly blue, and now this, I’m considering investing heavily in alcohol for the weekend at least.  Wake me up on Tuesday.  After lunch.

      — burtthebikeTruly depressing.

      The Tories and their rich friends would love us all to do the same. Piss away our wages, line their pockets and put ourselves into a distracted state where we don’t have to think about all the shit that’s going on or do anything about it.

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  5. Bigfoz
    May 3, 2019 at 10:22 am
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    Ah yes Sir Dave. That would

    Ah yes Sir Dave. That would be because everyone is at work . Till Saturday & Sunday. Then we can decide how big the protests are or are not.

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    • alansmurphy
      May 3, 2019 at 11:57 am
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      Bigfoz wrote:

      Ah yes Sir Dave. That would be because everyone is at work . Till Saturday & Sunday. Then we can decide how big the protests are or are not.

      — Bigfoz

       

      Eh? So there weren’t crowds at TDY yesterday?

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  6. NorthDevonCyclist
    May 3, 2019 at 11:24 am
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    I’m waiting to see the
    I’m waiting to see the climate change activists extinction rebellion glue them selves to the bus, riders and frames. Now that would be a protest!

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  7. Legs_Eleven_Worcester
    May 3, 2019 at 12:11 pm
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    The greatest contribution to

    The greatest contribution to peace and social justice that any government could make in Britain, would be the mandatory administrative closure of the Daily Mail. 

    In the meantime… 

    The Editors’ Code of Practice

    And so.. 

    https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

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    • BehindTheBikesheds
      May 3, 2019 at 1:38 pm
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      Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

      The greatest contribution to peace and social justice that any government could make in Britain, would be the mandatory administrative closure of the Daily Mail. 

      In the meantime… 

      The Editors’ Code of Practice

      And so.. 

      https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

      — Legs_Eleven_Worcester

      Done, thanks for the link.

      Absolute scum these fuckers.

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      • Legs_Eleven_Worcester
        May 3, 2019 at 3:34 pm
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        BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

        The greatest contribution to peace and social justice that any government could make in Britain, would be the mandatory administrative closure of the Daily Mail. 

        In the meantime… 

        The Editors’ Code of Practice

        And so.. 

        https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

        — BehindTheBikesheds

        Done, thanks for the link.

        Absolute scum these fuckers.

        — Legs_Eleven_Worcester

        Did you get their response? 

        I should explain that IPSO is conducting a review of the way its regulations should apply to global digital publishers. Details of this can be found at the following link: https://www.ipso.co.uk/news-press-releases/press-releases/ipso-announces-review-of-the-way-its-regulations-should-apply-to-global-digital-publishers/

        Until the review is concluded, IPSO may exercise its discretion not to consider new complaints which relate specifically to articles and other content about events in overseas jurisdictions, and which are not primarily targeted at a UK audience.

        In light of this, we will need to ask IPSO’s Complaints Committee whether to consider your complaint further. 

        We will write to you once the Committee has considered the matter.

        So basically, carte blanche for the neo-fascists at the Daily Mail, as long as the website from which they poach their content is outside the UK.  Maybe they need to start trawling infowars, or davidduke dot com, and other far right nazi content.  

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        • BehindTheBikesheds
          May 3, 2019 at 11:53 pm
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          Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

          The greatest contribution to peace and social justice that any government could make in Britain, would be the mandatory administrative closure of the Daily Mail. 

          In the meantime… 

          The Editors’ Code of Practice

          And so.. 

          https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

          — Legs_Eleven_Worcester

          Done, thanks for the link.

          Absolute scum these fuckers.

          — BehindTheBikesheds

          Did you get their response? 

          I should explain that IPSO is conducting a review of the way its regulations should apply to global digital publishers. Details of this can be found at the following link: https://www.ipso.co.uk/news-press-releases/press-releases/ipso-announces-review-of-the-way-its-regulations-should-apply-to-global-digital-publishers/

          Until the review is concluded, IPSO may exercise its discretion not to consider new complaints which relate specifically to articles and other content about events in overseas jurisdictions, and which are not primarily targeted at a UK audience.

          In light of this, we will need to ask IPSO’s Complaints Committee whether to consider your complaint further. 

          We will write to you once the Committee has considered the matter.

          So basically, carte blanche for the neo-fascists at the Daily Mail, as long as the website from which they poach their content is outside the UK.  Maybe they need to start trawling infowars, or davidduke dot com, and other far right nazi content.  

          — Legs_Eleven_Worcester

          I didn’t as it happens as was cooking for the oldies and then straight onto the rugby. The rugby was absolute garbge so reading this response has just made my evening complete. At least I had a freshly baked sausage roll in a freshly baked baguette with a load of mayo and ketchup as comfort food to try reduce my stress levels.lol 

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  8. burtthebike
    May 3, 2019 at 4:48 pm
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    What is with the police and

    What is with the police and the BMW driver?  Was he a police/politician/peer or hairdresser to minor royalty?

    Sending a letter after an attempted murder isn’t generally police procedure as I understand it from tv dramas.  I note from the twitter thread that LCC are interested and I sincerely hope they kick some ass.  Rather different to the police response to the Alliston case.

    After last night’s election results, with my area staying solidly blue, and now this, I’m considering investing heavily in alcohol for the weekend at least.  Wake me up on Tuesday.  After lunch.

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    • John Smith
      May 3, 2019 at 5:18 pm
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      burtthebike wrote:

      What is with the police and the BMW driver?  Was he a police/politician/peer or hairdresser to minor royalty?

      Sending a letter after an attempted murder isn’t generally police procedure as I understand it from tv dramas. 

      — burtthebike

       

      I would suggest not relying on TV dramas for your information. They tend not to be very accurate, especially when the reality is dull. The police don’t run around kicking down doors all the time or shouting “enhance” at grainy CCTV.

       

      Following a road traffic incident the police will send a notice of intention to prosecute, which includes a requirement to identify who was driving the car. Failing to identify the driver is in itself an offence. The police are treating this as dangerous driving. This would only be attempted murder if there was evidence that the intention of the driver was to kill the cyclist, and if there is nothing more than that CCTV there is nothing to show that at this time.

       

      The police are following exactly the process they should be.

       

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      • burtthebike
        May 3, 2019 at 5:29 pm
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        John Smith wrote:

        What is with the police and the BMW driver?  Was he a police/politician/peer or hairdresser to minor royalty?

        Sending a letter after an attempted murder isn’t generally police procedure as I understand it from tv dramas. 

        — John Smith

         

        I would suggest not relying on TV dramas for your information. They tend not to be very accurate, especially when the reality is dull. The police don’t run around kicking down doors all the time or shouting “enhance” at grainy CCTV.

        Following a road traffic incident the police will send a notice of intention to prosecute, which includes a requirement to identify who was driving the car. Failing to identify the driver is in itself an offence. The police are treating this as dangerous driving. This would only be attempted murder if there was evidence that the intention of the driver was to kill the cyclist, and if there is nothing more than that CCTV there is nothing to show that at this time.

        The police are following exactly the process they should be.

        — burtthebike

        Like Alliston and Mick Mason?  Or this https://road.cc/content/news/259714-suspended-sentence-impatient-driver-who-knew-hed-caused-cyclists-crash-said-it and the hundreds of other examples where drivers attack people using their vehicle.

        This might be just an RTA, but, given the evidence, could be attempted murder.  Would the police treat any other possible case of attempted murder in quite so cavalier a fashion,  like a stabbing for instance?  It looks as if the driver used the vehicle as a weapon, and then fled the scene, just like they’d do if they were guilty.  If they were innocent, they would have remained.

        Sorry, I forgot; it was only a cyclist.

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        • John Smith
          May 4, 2019 at 7:18 am
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          burtthebike wrote:

          What is with the police and the BMW driver?  Was he a police/politician/peer or hairdresser to minor royalty?

          Sending a letter after an attempted murder isn’t generally police procedure as I understand it from tv dramas. 

          — burtthebike

           

          I would suggest not relying on TV dramas for your information. They tend not to be very accurate, especially when the reality is dull. The police don’t run around kicking down doors all the time or shouting “enhance” at grainy CCTV.

          Following a road traffic incident the police will send a notice of intention to prosecute, which includes a requirement to identify who was driving the car. Failing to identify the driver is in itself an offence. The police are treating this as dangerous driving. This would only be attempted murder if there was evidence that the intention of the driver was to kill the cyclist, and if there is nothing more than that CCTV there is nothing to show that at this time.

          The police are following exactly the process they should be.

          — John Smith

          Like Alliston and Mick Mason?  Or this https://road.cc/content/news/259714-suspended-sentence-impatient-driver-who-knew-hed-caused-cyclists-crash-said-it and the hundreds of other examples where drivers attack people using their vehicle.

          This might be just an RTA, but, given the evidence, could be attempted murder.  Would the police treat any other possible case of attempted murder in quite so cavalier a fashion,  like a stabbing for instance?  It looks as if the driver used the vehicle as a weapon, and then fled the scene, just like they’d do if they were guilty.  If they were innocent, they would have remained.

          Sorry, I forgot; it was only a cyclist.

          — burtthebike

           

          ”it’s only a cyclist”… get over yourself. You know full well a stabbing is totally different to this. How many times does someone lose control of a knife and stab someone? It looks to me like the diver was going far to fast, lost control and fled the scene. And unlike Alliston the driver is not visible and not on Facebook being a twat about what happened.

           

          We have no idea what else the police are doing. Perhaps they are seeing if anyone had a reason to attack the victim. Perhaps they have already discounted this, but they are following the correct process in issuing an NIP. Until they know who was driving what else can they do?

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          • hawkinspeter
            May 4, 2019 at 8:08 am
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            John Smith wrote:

            What is with the police and the BMW driver?  Was he a police/politician/peer or hairdresser to minor royalty?

            Sending a letter after an attempted murder isn’t generally police procedure as I understand it from tv dramas. 

            — John Smith

             

            I would suggest not relying on TV dramas for your information. They tend not to be very accurate, especially when the reality is dull. The police don’t run around kicking down doors all the time or shouting “enhance” at grainy CCTV.

            Following a road traffic incident the police will send a notice of intention to prosecute, which includes a requirement to identify who was driving the car. Failing to identify the driver is in itself an offence. The police are treating this as dangerous driving. This would only be attempted murder if there was evidence that the intention of the driver was to kill the cyclist, and if there is nothing more than that CCTV there is nothing to show that at this time.

            The police are following exactly the process they should be.

            — burtthebike

            Like Alliston and Mick Mason?  Or this https://road.cc/content/news/259714-suspended-sentence-impatient-driver-who-knew-hed-caused-cyclists-crash-said-it and the hundreds of other examples where drivers attack people using their vehicle.

            This might be just an RTA, but, given the evidence, could be attempted murder.  Would the police treat any other possible case of attempted murder in quite so cavalier a fashion,  like a stabbing for instance?  It looks as if the driver used the vehicle as a weapon, and then fled the scene, just like they’d do if they were guilty.  If they were innocent, they would have remained.

            Sorry, I forgot; it was only a cyclist.

            — John Smith

             

            ”it’s only a cyclist”… get over yourself. You know full well a stabbing is totally different to this. How many times does someone lose control of a knife and stab someone? It looks to me like the diver was going far to fast, lost control and fled the scene. And unlike Alliston the driver is not visible and not on Facebook being a twat about what happened.

             

            We have no idea what else the police are doing. Perhaps they are seeing if anyone had a reason to attack the victim. Perhaps they have already discounted this, but they are following the correct process in issuing an NIP. Until they know who was driving what else can they do?

            — burtthebike

            They could go round to the registered keeper’s address and start questioning them and possibly detain them if they seem like a flight risk.

            Surely there’s more to policing than just sending letters and following a “correct process” that gives suspects lots of time to disappear.

          • FluffyKittenofTindalos
            May 4, 2019 at 11:21 am
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            John Smith wrote:

            What is with the police and the BMW driver?  Was he a police/politician/peer or hairdresser to minor royalty?

            Sending a letter after an attempted murder isn’t generally police procedure as I understand it from tv dramas. 

            — John Smith

             

            I would suggest not relying on TV dramas for your information. They tend not to be very accurate, especially when the reality is dull. The police don’t run around kicking down doors all the time or shouting “enhance” at grainy CCTV.

            Following a road traffic incident the police will send a notice of intention to prosecute, which includes a requirement to identify who was driving the car. Failing to identify the driver is in itself an offence. The police are treating this as dangerous driving. This would only be attempted murder if there was evidence that the intention of the driver was to kill the cyclist, and if there is nothing more than that CCTV there is nothing to show that at this time.

            The police are following exactly the process they should be.

            — burtthebike

            Like Alliston and Mick Mason?  Or this https://road.cc/content/news/259714-suspended-sentence-impatient-driver-who-knew-hed-caused-cyclists-crash-said-it and the hundreds of other examples where drivers attack people using their vehicle.

            This might be just an RTA, but, given the evidence, could be attempted murder.  Would the police treat any other possible case of attempted murder in quite so cavalier a fashion,  like a stabbing for instance?  It looks as if the driver used the vehicle as a weapon, and then fled the scene, just like they’d do if they were guilty.  If they were innocent, they would have remained.

            Sorry, I forgot; it was only a cyclist.

            — John Smith

             

            ”it’s only a cyclist”… get over yourself. You know full well a stabbing is totally different to this. How many times does someone lose control of a knife and stab someone? It looks to me like the diver was going far to fast, lost control and fled the scene. And unlike Alliston the driver is not visible and not on Facebook being a twat about what happened.

            — burtthebike

             

            You might ‘know’ that…I don’t.  I don’t see a huge distinction between “choosing to do something that has a significant chance of resulting in death or injury to an innocent party”, and, “choosing to do something that has a significant chance of resulting in death or injury to an innocent party”.  In what way are you saying those two things differ?

             

            Driving too fast, not being in control, of their vehicle, and leaving the scene are all choices.  As, indeed, is choosing to operate a car around people in the first place.  I don’t see it as very different from choosing to stick a knife in someone.  The main difference is the relative social power and numbers of the knife users vs the bad drivers.

             

            The determination to attach huge significance to the exact thoughts in someone’s head while they cause harm to others is not something I agree with in general, really.

             

              For one thing it _rewards_ cultivated stupidity.  It means you can get away with pretty much anything as long as you make the effort to reamin too stupid to think about what you are doing.

             

             

      • Russell Orgazoid
        May 4, 2019 at 8:24 am
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        John Smith wrote:

        What is with the police and the BMW driver?  Was he a police/politician/peer or hairdresser to minor royalty?

        Sending a letter after an attempted murder isn’t generally police procedure as I understand it from tv dramas. 

        — John Smith

         

        I would suggest not relying on TV dramas for your information. They tend not to be very accurate, especially when the reality is dull. The police don’t run around kicking down doors all the time or shouting “enhance” at grainy CCTV.

         

        Following a road traffic incident the police will send a notice of intention to prosecute, which includes a requirement to identify who was driving the car. Failing to identify the driver is in itself an offence. The police are treating this as dangerous driving. This would only be attempted murder if there was evidence that the intention of the driver was to kill the cyclist, and if there is nothing more than that CCTV there is nothing to show that at this time.

         

        The police are following exactly the process they should be.

         

        — burtthebike

        The Police are doing nothing more than they are obliged to. FTFY

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    • hawkinspeter
      May 3, 2019 at 6:55 pm
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      burtthebike wrote:

      After last night’s election results, with my area staying solidly blue, and now this, I’m considering investing heavily in alcohol for the weekend at least.  Wake me up on Tuesday.  After lunch.

      — burtthebike

      I’m astonished that although the two main Brexit parties (Conservatives and Labour) both had significant losses and two Remain parties (Liberal Democrats and Greens) significant gains, the leaders of Conservatives and Labour have come to the conclusion that they should carry on as they are, but just deliver Brexit quicker.

      It’s quite telling when even Baldrick has a more cunning plan:

      I’ve left the Labour Party after nearly 45 years of service at Branch, Constituency and NEC levels,partly because of it’s continued duplicity on Brexit, partly because of it’s antisemitism, but also because its leadership is complete shit.

      — Sir Tony Robinson

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      • burtthebike
        May 3, 2019 at 10:30 pm
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        hawkinspeter wrote:

        I’m astonished that although the two main Brexit parties (Conservatives and Labour) both had significant losses and two Remain parties (Liberal Democrats and Greens) significant gains, the leaders of Conservatives and Labour have come to the conclusion that they should carry on as they are, but just deliver Brexit quicker.

        — hawkinspeter

        While the Brexit parties lost heavily, and the non-Brexit parties gained, the BBC is telling us that this shows that the public wants Brexit.

        Was the BBC ever independent and unbiased and honest?  Not in my lifetime I know, but seventy years or more ago.  Don’t forget folks; black is white and white is black.

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  9. brooksby
    May 3, 2019 at 6:59 pm
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    The met sent an enquiry

    The met sent an enquiry letter??? OMG! Someone out there must be just shaking in their boots…

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  10. ktache
    May 4, 2019 at 8:37 am
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    I have just heard that an

    I have just heard that an openly gay DUP counciller has been elected in Northern Ireland.  There is some hope in the world.

     

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  11. Hirsute
    May 4, 2019 at 3:41 pm
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    This bloke used his car a

    This bloke used his car a weapon and was charged with attempting to do grievous bodily harm with intent

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47905991

    So why can’t this driver be arrested for the same thing?  The final charge might be different though.

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    • burtthebike
      May 4, 2019 at 3:53 pm
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      hirsute wrote:

      This bloke used his car a weapon and was charged with attempting to do grievous bodily harm with intent

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47905991

      So why can’t this driver be arrested for the same thing?  The final charge might be different though.

      — hirsute

      Yes, but those were football supporters, not cyclists, neatly summing up our position in society; lower, much lower than football hooligans.

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  12. ktache
    May 4, 2019 at 4:01 pm
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    Do you think the police went

    Do you think the police went as far as to send him a letter?

    Or maybe ask the victims while they were trying to recover in hospital to gather their own evidence?

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After a big blunder in Birmingham, the Met gets London e-bike speed tests right – plus councils tap micromobility millions, Scott unveils fresh urban e-bike + more
After a big blunder in Birmingham, the Met gets London e-bike speed tests right – plus councils tap micromobility millions, Scott unveils fresh urban e-bike + more
The latest from the world of e-bikes, including the Met's testing setup, London's latest e-bike controversy, Scott's new models + more
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“Nanny state” hi-vis and helmet laws will discourage active travel, campaigners warn as Irish government signs off on new e-scooter rules amid claims illegal e-bikes causing “havoc”
“Nanny state” hi-vis and helmet laws will discourage active travel, campaigners warn as Irish government signs off on new e-scooter rules amid claims illegal e-bikes causing “havoc”
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Rendel Harris 1 hour ago

@60somethingcyclist Satmar, and they mainly didn't vote for him it seems: estimates are that in the Williamsburg areas dominated by the Satmar group Mamdani got around 30% of the vote with rival Cuomo getting around 65%. Mamdani was endorsed by one faction of the Satmar but three other leaders of the same faction came out against him.

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GravelIsNothingNew 2 hours ago

Use it Kasia.

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Destroyer666 12 hours ago

@GravelIsNothingNew What a load of bullshit.

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60somethingcyclist 13 hours ago

Will he act against the Samar group in Williamsburg which uses it's political clout to get cycle lanes removed - even though they voted for him?

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ktache 14 hours ago

I did have an internal clog on one of my Fillmore valves (with oil slick upgrade) a little while back, a quick search and watch of a YouTube video and I was set for taking them apart. Apart from the effort required to overcome corrosive seizing between the thumb nut and the thread of the shaft, hopefully mildly future proofed with the addition of a dab of grease, the valve service was very easy. Well designed for this I did think. Needed a small spanner and hex key. Only issue would seem to be with a little pin that could easily go missing. The peaty's apparently have a circlip, if there is anything designed to ping off around the work area it's a circlip. Or the shockingly expensive security magnet of a hexlox. I had a go on the display stand of the scwlabe click valve at the LBS last week. A simple joy to use. I forget how much I have to adapt to the quibbles that my bike pumps have, I'm used to them, I have lent my lezyne HV mini floor to people at work and they have had great difficulties. I will miss the rustic plank with 3 valve types screwed in on the LBS counter though. I will of course resist upgrading to the new standard for far too long, before eventually doing it to all wheels and pumps and wondering why I hadn't done it years ago...

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belugabob 15 hours ago

@hawkinspeter the laws are there - and have been for some time - it's the enforcement that is tardy.

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Mr Blackbird 15 hours ago

Excellent structured argument. Well done. Are you Kemi Badenoch's speech writer by any chance?

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lees69 17 hours ago

@Mr Blackbird What a load of absolute twatwaffle...

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rookybiker 18 hours ago

To be fair the principle is sound, the problem is in the execution. This specific attempt is especially ludicrous, but a century of efforts ranging from Oscar Egg's Velofusée to modern streamlined recumbents has not managed to produce a setup matching the practicality of the standard bicycle. If only the R.A.F. designers had waited until this year's Womens' TdF they would know to fill in the front rather than the back. Limited gains, but more attainable.

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Amadeus99 18 hours ago

Another bunch or corporate dickheads who are cycling enthusiasts first and business people second, who are now all amazed after being overpaid and underworked for making stupid overbuying decisions, that they dont have a job. Being paid to spend other peoples money and duplicating so many jobs , well what could possibly go wrong. Over valued by up to 10 times its real value, who on earth is going to buy a brand that is in a market flooded by bikes that all look the same with different labels on them. These morons were paying 110 000 euros a week a few years ago to warehouse all the bikes they over ordered and couldnt pay for after the covid boom. The industry needs pricks like this like it needs a hole in the head. There are companies failing everyday right now in the bike business and its what is called evoloution of dick heads in the bike business. Let this continue until only the strong survive and dont be surprised when you see some of the top 10 brands in the world vanishing up their own arse.

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