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roadmanshaq wrote:

Cue the usual late middle aged men braying about what people should be doing.

 

One less person on a toxic fume emitting mode of transport is good by me. I have no problem with the scooterers I've come across on the roads. Leave your crab in a bucket mentality alone and mob up with potential allies against the death cage lobby instead.

Which scooterers were these, considering they are illegal to use on the road?

Wait until someone kills an OAP on the pavement then you can talk about 'death scoots' instead of 'death cages' . There's nothing fundamentally dangerous about cars.....unless you don't control them properly. Same difference.

You'll never win against the 'death cage' lobby anyway. It's a multi-billion pound industry. Scooters....not so much.

It think the most telling part of scootering is you look like a bellend. Maybe if you're one of radical kids that pop barspins and 360 on normal manual ones. Being a cyclist puts you into a lower social grouping so god knows what using a scooter does to you unless you're a hipster.

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

roadmanshaq wrote:

Cue the usual late middle aged men braying about what people should be doing.

 

One less person on a toxic fume emitting mode of transport is good by me. I have no problem with the scooterers I've come across on the roads. Leave your crab in a bucket mentality alone and mob up with potential allies against the death cage lobby instead.

Which scooterers were these, considering they are illegal to use on the road?

Wait until someone kills an OAP on the pavement then you can talk about 'death scoots' instead of 'death cages' . There's nothing fundamentally dangerous about cars.....unless you don't control them properly. Same difference.

You'll never win against the 'death cage' lobby anyway. It's a multi-billion pound industry. Scooters....not so much.

It think the most telling part of scootering is you look like a bellend. Maybe if you're one of radical kids that pop barspins and 360 on normal manual ones. Being a cyclist puts you into a lower social grouping so god knows what using a scooter does to you unless you're a hipster.

What a load of garbage. Cars and other motor vehicles kill thousands a year via fumes and particulates alone. You're just completely ignorant of basic environmental health and there is no point continuing a chat with someone so clearly proud of being a blustering, anti intellectual fool.

roadmanshaq wrote:

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

roadmanshaq wrote:

Cue the usual late middle aged men braying about what people should be doing.

One less person on a toxic fume emitting mode of transport is good by me. I have no problem with the scooterers I've come across on the roads. Leave your crab in a bucket mentality alone and mob up with potential allies against the death cage lobby instead.

Which scooterers were these, considering they are illegal to use on the road?

Wait until someone kills an OAP on the pavement then you can talk about 'death scoots' instead of 'death cages' . There's nothing fundamentally dangerous about cars.....unless you don't control them properly. Same difference.

You'll never win against the 'death cage' lobby anyway. It's a multi-billion pound industry. Scooters....not so much.

It think the most telling part of scootering is you look like a bellend. Maybe if you're one of radical kids that pop barspins and 360 on normal manual ones. Being a cyclist puts you into a lower social grouping so god knows what using a scooter does to you unless you're a hipster.

What a load of garbage. Cars and other motor vehicles kill thousands a year via fumes and particulates alone. You're just completely ignorant of basic environmental health and there is no point continuing a chat with someone so clearly proud of being a blustering, anti intellectual fool.

Considering that one of the complaints often used against cyclists is "bl00dy stupid adults playing on their toys", with a failure to see bicycles as a valid form of non "toxic fume emitting mode of transport" and with a commensurate loss of status as a road user, exactly how far down the ladder do you think using an e-scooter will put you?

And, as YW rightly says, how long until some e-scooterer knocks someone down (whether or not its their fault) and the Tabloid Hounds are let loose on them...??

brooksby wrote:

Considering that one of the complaints often used against cyclists is "bl00dy stupid adults playing on their toys", with a failure to see bicycles as a valid form of non "toxic fume emitting mode of transport" and with a commensurate loss of status as a road user, exactly how far down the ladder do you think using an e-scooter will put you?

And, as YW rightly says, how long until some e-scooterer knocks someone down (whether or not its their fault) and the Tabloid Hounds are let loose on them...??

Thinking that you're ever going to win the public argument by appeasement is the worst fallacy there is. The suffragettes and civil Rights movement didn't get their way by meekly soliciting the media's OK and only a fool would think that method would work re rididng our society of the tyranny of the death cage.

roadmanshaq wrote:

brooksby wrote:

Considering that one of the complaints often used against cyclists is "bl00dy stupid adults playing on their toys", with a failure to see bicycles as a valid form of non "toxic fume emitting mode of transport" and with a commensurate loss of status as a road user, exactly how far down the ladder do you think using an e-scooter will put you?

And, as YW rightly says, how long until some e-scooterer knocks someone down (whether or not its their fault) and the Tabloid Hounds are let loose on them...??

Thinking that you're ever going to win the public argument by appeasement is the worst fallacy there is. The suffragettes and civil Rights movement didn't get their way by meekly soliciting the media's OK and only a fool would think that method would work re rididng our society of the tyranny of the death cage.

Excuse me?

My point, I think, was that many people already think that cycling is too dangerous and wouldn't dream of cycling in with motor traffic, so how many people do you think would want to mix it with motor traffic on a scooter (even one with a LiOn battery for a motor)?

My other point was that cyclists="evil runners down of poor pedestrians" in some corners of the media, and that all that vitriol would come crashing down on e-scooterists too as soon as there was the slightest hint of "Oh, well they nearly run me down, they did!".

And as a final point, though I do take on board that we need to get people out of their cars, I'm still umming about e-bikes at present (got buzzed by one on my non-electric bike recently) so e-scooters are for me a bit of a step too far.

Final, final point, is that I'm really not sure that campaigning for cycling infrastructure or for alternatives to the motor car is truly comparable to the suffragettes or the civil rights movement.  I understand the analogy, but...

brooksby wrote:

Final, final point, is that I'm really not sure that campaigning for cycling infrastructure or for alternatives to the motor car is truly comparable to the suffragettes or the civil rights movement.  I understand the analogy, but...

Given that you exhibit complete ignorance of the harm caused by motor vehicles in pollution and maiming of normal people in their thousands, every year, I will not sweat your small minded Benedict Arnold chasing down of ebike riders and scooterers. 

Get your priorities right. 

roadmanshaq wrote:

Cue the usual late middle aged men braying about what people should be doing.

 

One less person on a toxic fume emitting mode of transport is good by me. I have no problem with the scooterers I've come across on the roads. Leave your crab in a bucket mentality alone and mob up with potential allies against the death cage lobby instead.

Don't be a middle aged brayer telling people what to do, mob up with the potential allies against the death cage lobby instead, and then tell people what to do.