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Let police take law-breaking cyclists to nearest ATM, urges Irish politician

Eoghan Murphy wants on-the-spot fines to be exactly that

An Irish politician has urged that police be given powers to take cyclists found breaking the law to the nearest cashpoint machine so they can get money out to pay fines imposed on them, reports the Irish Examiner.

The proposal was made by Dublin South East TD (equivalent to an MP in the UK) Eoghan Murphy in a question put to minister for transport, tourism and sport, Paschal Donohoe.

The Fina Gael TD asked the minister “If he will introduce new powers to allow An Garda Síochána [police] to fine cyclists in breach of the law on the spot, and to collect fines on the spot, as happens in other European countries, where the police have the power to escort offenders to the nearest automated teller machines if the offenders do not have the funds on them.”

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In July this year, Fina Fail politician Mr Donohoe brought in legislation that provided for €40 fixed charged notices to be issued for the following offences:

Cyclist driving a pedal cycle without reasonable consideration

No front lamp or rear lamp lit during lighting-up hours on a pedal cycle

Cyclist proceeding into a pedestrianised street or area

Cyclist proceeding past traffic lights when the red lamp is illuminated

Cyclist proceeding past cycle traffic lights when red lamp is lit.

Cyclist failing to stop for a School Warden sign

Cyclist proceeding beyond a stop line, barrier or half barrier at a railway level crossing, swing bridge or lifting bridge, when the red lamps are flashing.

The fixed charged notices are sent by post to the addresses that offenders give to gardaí.

Rejecting Mr Murrphy's appeal, Mr Donohoe said: “I do not intend to introduce new powers to allow gardaí to collect cycling fines on the spot.

“Under our Constitution, all citizens are entitled to their day in court when accused of committing a crime.

“A cyclist intercepted while committing a fixed- charge offence, has the option of paying the fixed charge amount within the prescribed timeframes or having their case heard in a court of law.

“If a fixed charge notice is not paid within 56 days, a summons to appear in court will issue,” the minister added.

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According to Mr Murphy, his propoisal would have eased the burden on the court system.

He said: “I’m a cyclist and I see other cyclists breaking the law every day.

“I thought it might be a good way to improve cyclist behaviour without expending unnecessary time, resources, and money by following up notices through the courts.

“There’s a lot more that needs to be done regarding other road users, infrastructure and so on to encourage cycling and make it safer and I’m involved in those efforts too.

“But more people are cycling now and that’s great,” he added.

> Dublin to make city centre car free, aims for 15 per cent cycling share

Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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severs1966 | 8 years ago
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Does the over-zealous politician mentioned not advocate forcing drivers to do the same? Or is it yet another country where the cops crack down on the easiest citizens to harass rather than the most dangerous?

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ridein | 8 years ago
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On the spot extortion for some quick cash for the police pockets, more like an ATM cash machine for any officer who wants to enrich their own pockets. 

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Leviathan | 8 years ago
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Oph, sorry looks like my pin is blocked again, I am sorry I aaalways have trouble remembering it. 

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mrmo replied to Leviathan | 8 years ago
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Leviathan wrote:

Oph, sorry looks like my pin is blocked again, I am sorry I aaalways have trouble remembering it. 

 

I believe the French police don't actually give a ****, they will "borrow" your car as collateral instead. Along with the immediate driving ban, seizure of licence etc. 

The idea that the Police are judge jury and executioner might seem a bit off when used to dealing with the UK where speeding is dealt with via the post and an expensive appeals process, but it is what it is. 

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ironmancole | 8 years ago
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Well, if we're going to look fondly at European law I presume we'll also be adopting the presumed liability stance as well?

One thing he misses, according to motorists cyclists are all poor, hence our miserable existence having to peddle away on our silly contraptions so how are we going to pay a fine anyway?! 

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DaveE128 | 8 years ago
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Judge, jury and executioner. That's not open to abuse is it?

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brooksby replied to DaveE128 | 8 years ago
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DaveE128 wrote:

Judge, jury and executioner. That's not open to abuse is it?

I am the law- 15 rounds incendiary, quickfire 

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hawkinspeter | 8 years ago
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I just hope they have the same appetite for dealing with other road users breaking the law (e.g. speeding, using mobile phones, using vehicles as weapons etc).

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brooksby | 8 years ago
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...as happens in other European countries, where the police have the power to escort offenders to the nearest automated teller machines if the offenders do not have the funds on them.”

Can the police really do that? I thought it was all "seven days to present yourself to a station". I cannot guarantee that at all times of the month I'd be able to get enough cash from a cash machine to pay a genuinely on-the-spot fine...

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mrmo replied to brooksby | 8 years ago
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brooksby wrote:

Quote:

...as happens in other European countries, where the police have the power to escort offenders to the nearest automated teller machines if the offenders do not have the funds on them.”

Can the police really do that? I thought it was all "seven days to present yourself to a station". I cannot guarantee that at all times of the month I'd be able to get enough cash from a cash machine to pay a genuinely on-the-spot fine...

 

I believe the French police can and do escort drivers for on the spot fines. 

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Username replied to mrmo | 8 years ago
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mrmo wrote:

I believe the French police can and do escort drivers for on the spot fines. 

 

Yup, it happened to someone I know. Random stop, they reached in and found his radar detector (not plugged-in) in the glove box. They are illegal in France and the boys in blue wanted a few hundred Euros from him, as well as impounding the detector.

Needless to say he didn't have that dosh on him so the boys marched him off to an ATM.

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Cumisky replied to Username | 8 years ago
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I believe the French police can and do escort drivers for on the spot fines. 

Happened to me when I lived in Paris, they said I jumped a red light on my scooter, when I pointed out it was still green as we spoke he replied, "wait a minute, there you go, it's red now"
Although this is a fine and points, he was only interested in getting the money and didn't report for points.
Turns out it was the last day of the month and they are on quotas so stop as many as they can in those last few days.

Just a bit of info for anyone considering driving around Paris.

Disclaimer, I still love the city, you just have to learn to stay under the radar where the police and traffic are involved.

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mrmo | 8 years ago
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In any normal risk scenario you would start with the biggest problem and then work your way down the list eliminating issues as you go. 

All the political air wasted on "dealing" with cyclists makes me wonder how the statistics are constantly being fudged, that we are being misled by those entrusted to provide statistical analysis. I can only assume that deaths caused by cyclists are being massively understated???

I demand an enquiry into the misuse of public funds by the ONS, DfT etc. for lying about road deaths. 

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