The director of a Devon-based haulage business claims lorry drivers are “the best users of the road – cyclists are the worst." But in 2001, more than 20 of his firm’s drivers were fined after admitting falsifying tachograph records and ignoring rules on working hours.
Bill Hocking, who runs Barnstaple-based William C Hockin Transport, made his comments about cyclists in an interview with the North Devon Journal.
He told the newspaper: "They need educating. If a 44-tonne lorry is indicating left and a cyclist decides to skip past on the truck's inside, the cyclist is going to be dead.
"There's no use blaming the HGV driver – cyclists need to stay back. If you can't see the driver's mirrors he can't see you.
"A lot of cyclists behave dangerously," he said. "Our drivers tell stories all the time about cyclists behaving like idiots.
"Whenever a cyclist is run over by a lorry, the driver gets blamed, which is wrong,” he insisted.
"HGV drivers are the best users of the road – cyclists are the worst."
However, a series of court cases in 2001 resulted in 22 drivers from William C Hockin pleading guilty to having falsified tacograph records.
A report from Commercial Vehicle in April of that year details how 19 of William C Hockin’s drivers appearing in the dock in 2001, where they were fined a total of £18,780 plus costs.
At the time, the company operated 30 vehicles. Three more of its drivers were fined in July 2001 after admitting similar charges.
The prosecutions resulted from a police raid on the company’s offices following a tip-off, with Tony Ostrin, representing the Vehicle Inspectorate, telling magistrates “there was evidence of fuses being pulled, tachograph clocks being altered and false starting and finishing locations being entered on the centre field.”
Tachographs are used in vehicles including lorries to record information related to driving time, speed and distance to ensure that drivers and their employers adhere to rules related to drivers’ hours and rest breaks, and they can also provide valuable evidence in the event of a collision.
Last September, a judge sentencing a lorry driver to eight and a half years for causing the death by dangerous driving of two cyclists who had just begun a charity ride from Land’s End to John O’Groats said he “had almost certainly fallen asleep” at the wheel.
Prosecutors said that Robert Palmer had not had adequate rest periods and had falsified his tachograph records prior to the crash that killed Toby Wallace, 36 and Andrew McMenigall, 47, in July 2013.
Joao Lopes, the driver of the vehicle involved in the crash that claimed the life of Eilidh Cairns as she rode to work in 2009 was jailed for four years in 2012 for causing the death by dangerous driving of 97-year-old Nora Gutmann as she crossed London’s Marylebone Road the previous year.
The court heard that Lopes had been driving without glasses, in breach of the conditions of his licence, and that the tachograph on his lorry had been tampered with.
Lopes with never charged in connection with Eilidh Cairns’ death, but was found guilty of driving with uncorrected vision, leading to his licence being temporarily revoked.
Eilidh’s sister, Kate Cairns, has campaigned since her death for improved safety measures on lorries to protect cyclists and other vulnerable road users through See Me Save Me, which is co-ordinated by the charity RoadPeace.




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48 thoughts on “Lorry drivers the best road users, cyclists the worst, says haulage firm boss”
Yeah, only 2/3rds of HGVs are
Yeah, only 2/3rds of HGVs are found to be defective when stopped.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/article3966743.ece
Without exception, the road haulage industry make breaking the rules party of their general business model.
Would it be wrong dream of this prick ending up under the wheels of one of his own defective lorries.
covered over in the forum
covered over in the forum
his family business has an interesting history with regards to the legalities of what its drivers do – old history but then again the business makes a big point about its family history
http://road.cc/content/forum/149272-cyclists-worst-road-users-says-north-devon-haulage-boss
key link is this one from snaps on STW
http://commercial-motor.archive.netcopy.co.uk/article/5th-april-2001/14/drivers-fined-for-flouting-rules
posted over on STW – its great people like this showing how ignorant they are
I accept some points he
I accept some points he makes. Cyclists do need to take more care, Myself included.
But he would say HGV drivers are the best drivers, wouldn’t he?
He wasn’t ever going to say otherwise.
Plasterer’s Radio wrote:…
Good point, but not better than your tag line! 🙂
Here are the contact details
Here are the contact details so you can send them your thoughts
steve@williamchockin.co.uk
julian@williamchockin.co.uk
You can also leave a review on Google Maps
https://www.google.com/maps/place/William+C.+Hockin+(Transport)+Ltd./@51.066077,-4.082247,4090m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x54bd29ee9a4068c7?hl=en
You do know that 2001 was
You do know that 2001 was almost 15 years ago, right?
Group of lorry drivers
Group of lorry drivers claiming ‘lorry drivers are the best on the road’ shocker!
There is nothing more dangerous on the road than a driver who thinks they are gods flippin’ gift to driving…..
Perhaps we should furnish Bill of stories of lorry drivers behaving like complete dicks – that might balance his outlook?
Must be Mad wrote:Group of
No need for anecdotes – there are numbers!
http://www.roadpeace.org/resources/RoadPeace_Pedestrian_deaths_by_lorries_in_London_factsheet.pdf
http://www.ctc.org.uk/sites/default/files/file_public/pedestrians4rrv2.pdf
LMFAO, what deluded world
LMFAO, what deluded world does he live in? I commute 60 miles by car everyday and have been overtaken by HGV’s, tailgated and seen plenty speeding & guess what jumping red lights.
I think this view is pretty
I think this view is pretty widespread throughout the haulage industry, and is unfortunately why the haulage industry resists campaigns for lorries to be made safer.
Then why is commercial
Then why is commercial driving considered to be a high risk occupation?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/features/5-most-dangerous-jobs-3703523
And I would contend that Police motorcycle riders could probably make a more legitimate claim to ‘best road user’. Should such a specious accolade even exist.
I would suggest that you also
I would suggest that you also look up VOSA Applications and Decisions relating to Mr Hoskin’s company between November 2001 and September 2002 – (use VOSA O Licence Search website).
Following a hearing, and I suspect a period during which he appealed and continued to operate, the licence was revoked 10 months later, and he was banned from running a haulage operation for 12 months.
Following an application to restart the licence was restored in 2004. There are now 2 companies and Mr Hoskins has permission to operate around 200 trucks 5 times the number he had in 2001. The companies have not been called in for discipline since 2001, which we might consider to be a sign that he has addressed the issues highlighted in the Commercial Motor report.
By contrast might I suggest looking up the history of OH1028238 and its successor OH1096328 and the roads giving access to their original operating base, which they shared with another family business in transport and plant hire!
How on Earth did a grown man
How on Earth did a grown man manage to get so much attention over something so childish. “Best & worst”, what is he, 12?
bikebot wrote:How on Earth
Haha. True. It reminds me of primary school. Boys are the best girls are the worst! Whats the point in even reporting something this infantile?
bikebot wrote:How on Earth
This is the newspaper that once had, “HUB CAPS STOLEN FROM CARS” as it’s headline news!
We had just had a series of armed robberies in our town…
I thought, “F. me this sounds like a great place to live!” and sold my house! Now I find that there are homicidal lorry drivers about who falsify their tacho’s….
Except that the lorry drivers I come across show me every courtesy while riding… well nearly all…
Maybe I should move to Lundy Island 😕
My dads bigger than your dad.
My dads bigger than your dad.
Lovely piece of driving /
Lovely piece of driving / parking from this HGV driver this morning in Kentish Town, NW London 🙂
If Police want to show they
If Police want to show they are effective that’s an offence per Section 19 RTA 1988, as well as clear evidence of Section 72 HA 1835, for which cyclists are always being fined.
Can also argue that as it totally blocks cycle lane an offence under Section 137 HA 1980. Plus of course, unless there is a loading exemption, its is parked on a no parking part of the road with double yellow lines.
Just check them out on VOSA
Just check them out on VOSA website 45 vehicles National Licence, (OK1032574) and just got 7 days suspension of their O licence at a PI hearing for various issues, and application to operate 55 vehicles refused.
Website says FORS registration should you want to check.
I think s.19 offence (RTA 1988) can be charged with photograph, as can parking, and possibly obstruction of cycle lane.
ceeeeaaaant
ceeeeaaaant
There’s that massive elephant
[i]There’s that massive elephant in the room again. It’s become almost blasphemous to admit to what we all secretly know to be true: that cyclists are c**ts. [/i]
Spot on – truth is that things are not going to improve unless we focus on improved behaviour from all road users. People are variously negligent, incompetant and psychopathic and it is going to take a combination of changes in education, the law and it’s application to make some progress. The regular rants about motorists makes victims of cyclists and will solve little. It is a response to fear and we have all been there. As it stands, in over 30 years of cycling I’ve seen no fundamental change in behaviour – it’s possibly worse with the advent of the mobile phone. Anyone any ideas of how we deal with cyclists who err?
The goat wrote:There’s that
Well, we should probably start dealing effectively with drivers who time and again prove they shouldn’t be driving… that’d be good.
The killing and maiming is one-sided, and you want to deal with the errant parts of the group/s being maimed and killed?
Seems a bit strange to me.
I totally agree with you
I totally agree with you regarding dealing with drivers – my view is that prison is only appropriate for psychopaths i.e. demonstrated lack of empathy / antisocial behaviour. Dangerous driving, mobile phone, alcohol drugs use are examples. However I think the routine use of bans and re-tests is important. It seems reasonable that if you have caused an accident you should have to prove that you are capable of safely driving in the future. It is less contentious than prison but for many would be very serious and I suspect that people would start paying attention.
The point about dealing with cyclists is things need to be even handed if there is to be an overall improvement. Some of the video of cyclists flying through city traffic (I use to do love this in my 20’s) frightens me to death and does not help with relationships with other road users.
jacknorell wrote:Well, we
He’s saying we should get our own house in order before starting war against everyone else.
mtm_01 wrote:jacknorell
He’s saying we should get our own house in order before starting war against everyone else.— jacknorell
I know, and of course its utter nonsense, as that ‘house in order’ meme always is when applied to a group who don’t share a house.
FluffyKittenofTindalos
Not sure a phrase that originates from the Bible is a meme but like it or not we are a collective group on the road.
mtm_01
No we aren’t.
Sorry – No ‘we’ aren’t.
FluffyKittenofTindalos
Are you seriously going to argue this point on the grounds that you don’t understand a figure of speech?
vonhelmet
I think FluffyKitten understands very well what a figure of speech is, but this ‘house in order’ thing is just that and not a law, not a rule, not a gospel. Nor is it something you’d even want tattooed on your butt.
What it is, though, is a pathetic and hackneyed attempt to apply collective responsibility for the actions of a minority of people who misuse a particular mode of transport to a wider group who happen to choose the same mode.
Why do motorists as a group never have to ‘get their house in order’ before more new roads are built, but it always required of people on bikes before anything is done to make cycling safer and more convenient?
vonhelmet
That faint ‘whoooshing’ sound you’re hearing is the point missing you by a mile…
The goat wrote:things are not
The British approach to improved safety on our roads has always been to improve behaviour through education – for the past 40+ years we had that, while the Dutch set about building protected space for cycling and traffic calming where modes came together or conflicted.
Now they’ve got a mass cycling culture and safe roads, while we have – no change, as you say.
Remove the desire, opportunity or necessity to err by providing protected infrastructure that doesn’t put them in conflict with other modes?
With the exception of the
With the exception of the headline grabbing “HGV drivers are the best users of the road – cyclists are the worst”, he’s actually right.
I will never understand why people go up the inside of a big vehicle whilst stationary at the lights, especially when it’s the first vehicle in the lights queue – because firstly, you should overtake things on the right-hand side and secondly because of the almighty drafting effect you get from riding behind the bus!
With the exception of the
I’d argue he has a valid point, which also then raises the spectre of the argument ‘what constitutes a ‘cyclist’?’>. However painting his drivers as whiter-than-white, especially with his previous record, removes some of the shine from this particular shite.
I think a large part of the
I think a large part of the problem is the sensationalism of the “us vs them” attitude that the media loves to drum up. And unfortunately this site is part of that problem – recent stories being aptly described in the comments as clickbait.
But we all love it really, don’t we? Any chance to have a rant about the injustices of it all, perceived or real. This is a long thread, and although it contains many good and well made points it’s typical of the stories that generate the most reaction.
Lorry drivers are so good,
Lorry drivers are so good, they can safely overtake a cyclist within an inch of their elbow, at speed, on a bend, whilst not crossing the centre line. I also love it when a lorry overtakes and the loose flapping ropes along the side, nicely tickle your neck as it passes by. Lorry drivers are also very litter conscious. They only throw rubbish out of their cab window, when they are alongside you, knowing that it will conveniently bounce off your shoulder and onto the verge. I can’t think of anything negative to say.
Reggie Plate wrote:Lorry
You missed out saying they’ll do all of this while talking on a mobile phone, like the dullard who roared past me and my son on Saturday.
@OldRidgeBack
best recent
@OldRidgeBack
best recent encounter I’ve had with a lorry?
my friend Louis and I out were riding in Regent’s Park. We pulled out of the park and back down Parkway toward Camden Town.
The lights were red as we pulled into the ASL just past the Odeon Cinema. It’s very clearly marked with thick white lines and a big bicycle symbol.
Several seconds later a large lorry drove into the ASL, stopping only 2-3 feet to the left / behind my friend Louis. We both looked at the lorry driver, he was busy talking on his phone, but not so busy that he didn’t notice our attention and actually kissed his lips at us several times.
I advised my friend to unclip from his pedals and we both got off our bikes and walked onto the pavement before this psycho lorry driver could cause us to be victims of a fatal RTC.
The fact he was proudly displaying this behaviour whilst driving a clearly marked company vehicle was mind-boggling, it was a real shame neither of us was wearing a helmet camera or thought to get our phones out of our jerseys and photograph this dangerous driver.
Tide is changing. Dashcam for
Tide is changing. Dashcam for fleet drivers is on its way.
http://www.carcamerashop.co.uk/fleet-dashcams
fleet operators are turning to fleet dash cams to help them manage and maintain their vehicles and drivers. High-definition footage of any incident helps to ensure that insurance claims are dealt with swiftly and favourably, whilst helping to limit the amount of time damaged vehicles are off the road.
ROSPA
http://www.rospa.com/rospaweb/docs/advice-services/road-safety/employers/work-vehicle-technology.pdf
Dashcams Dashcams are normally fixed to the dashboard or the rearview mirror to record the road ahead. Some also have a rear-facing lens for interior or rear-view recording. Some have a motion detector which enables recoding if something happens when the vehicle is parked. Dashcams can provide evidence of what actually happened in an incident or accident, and help drivers and companies to defend themselves against accusations or insurance claims. Of course, they also show how the driver of the dashcam vehicle was driving.
Quicker the likes of TfL and Local Authorities make this relatively cheap (and I assume tamper proof) devices mandatory for their drivers the better.
Dont be Furious wrote:Quicker
I heard the number 10% of vehicles on road now have cameras, no idea if accurate.
However, it needs to be pointed out that while TfL buses have multiple external cameras recording all the time, it doesn’t stop a (very small minority) number of their drivers being utter c***s anyway.
@cyclingDMlondon.
Your
@cyclingDMlondon.
Your problem is that you ride in London, my experience, in the providences is that cyclists don’t generally run red lights, most definitely less than your general mortists. Also pavement cycling is generally just children / young adults who are doing it as their scared of the roads.
Your idea that a cyclist can “bully” a pedestrian is laughable, if a cyclist hits a pedestrian they are just a likely to be injured. I’m not saying that there isn’t a general hysteria, but it mainly just your average daily mail reads who are taking 5mins off having a go at immigrants.
A wonderul piece of
A wonderul piece of non-journalism by the North Devon Journal.
=D>
Strange but every day I see,
Strange but every day I see, car, van, bus, coach and lorry drivers using hand held phones or, phone held under the steering wheel so nobody will know you’re texting.
Not yet seen a cyclist using one on the move
With front and rear facing cameras, got lots of interesting footage.
People like to winge about cyclists jumping red lights. Should see how many vehicles do. Most I’ve spotted in one go was 6 in Leeds.
JeffR wrote:Strange but every
Actually I’ve seen quite a few cyclists on the phone while riding, usually for calls but a few seemed to be either texting or checking the Internet.
OldRidgeback wrote:Actually
Second that – come to think of it, i’m struggling to think of many everyday activities i’ve not seen people attempt to do whilst on the phone…
JeffR wrote:Strange but every
And in fact it’s legal to use one while cycling… 😀
I’ve seen it, but it’s very rare compared to drivers.
jacknorell wrote:JeffR
‘Legal’ should never be confused with ‘wise’…
True…
Dashboard cameras… on all
Dashboard cameras… on all cycles and vehicles.
The way he sees it *should*
The way he sees it *should* be the reality. Drivers of largest and most dangerous vehicles should adhere to the highest standards of driving and we should tolerate somewhat lower standards for the drivers/riders of the smallest and least dangerous vehicles.
In reality I suspect that the standard of behaviour is much more similar across all road-going modes of transport than it should be.