An attempt to impose a cap on the number of riders that can take part in sportives in the New Forest looks set to fail as cycling groups and the largest event organiser in the forest have refused to sign up.
The limit of 1000 riders is part of a proposed cycling events charter, which will be discussed at a meeting of the New Forest National Park Authority (NFNPA) on Thursday.
A letter to the authority from local representatives of British Cycling, CTC and Sustrans calls two aspects of the charter "discriminatory and disproportionate": the cap, and the requirement for riders to wear numbers front and rear.
A small but very vocal number of New Forest locals has campaigned against sportives being held in the forest. Their demands have included a cap on rider numbers as low as 500, and identifying numbers on riders.
Incorporating those demands into the events charters makes it "both discriminatory and disproportionate" the cycling organisations say.
They write:
Advisory limits are not recommend by the NFNPA for the number of participants or vehicles attending non-cycling commercial events that also lead to local traffic congestion, such as the New Forest Show or events at the Beaulieu Motor Museum.
Nor have limits been recommended in other areas where local issues have arisen such as the number of dog walkers during the ground nesting bird season or the number of riders of shod horses; indeed the NFNPA has previously undertaken significant policy changes when challenged by the equestrian community.
They also point out "that the wearing of numbers in general, let alone front and rear, are not being advised by the NFNPA for any participants in any other recreational activity.
"It was clear from some attending the Cycle Liaison Group that the requirement for all riders to wear numbers front and rear was motivated by a desire to photograph and report riders during events.
"This form of vigilantism, only one step removed from the illegal removal of signs and the spreading of tacks on the road, can only lead to confrontation and danger to participants."
They add that the numbering requirement is "disproportionate in that the advice on numbering is more onerous that that required by the law on motorcyclists and disproportionate given the low frequency of the primary event involved."
CTC head office opposes the cap. A spokesman for the cycling charity told road.cc: "The current cap as suggested by the New Forest Charter is purely an arbitrary figure that has no basis in real evidence beyond the anecdotal. What we would like to see is each event judged on a case by case basis, with the number of riders agreed with a Safety Advisory Group beforehand.”
At Thursday's meeting the NFNPA will discuss a report on the charter by Nigel Matthews, head of recreation management and learning for the park.
In the report, Mathews points out that only one organisation, UK Cycling Events, has run events involving more than the proposed 1000-rider limit.
The report says:
The company that has organised the largest and most prominent cycle events in the New Forest is UK Cycling Events, often sponsored by Wiggle, run by Martin Barden.
In recent years, theirs are the only cycle sportive events that have exceeded 1,000 riders (on about five days/year).
Martin has fully engaged with the Liaison Group and made a number of changes to his events as requested, but he does not support the cap or the need for rear identification numbers.
The Cycling Liaison Group was created in March 2013 to establish a code of conduct for cycling in the park and a new charter for cycle event organisers. It initially included representatives of 31 groups and organisations, though the New Forest Dog Owners Group and the New Park event venue subsequently dropped out.
Of the remaining 29 groups and organisations, only ten represent cyclists or cycling event organisers.
In the report to the authority, Matthews writes:
Two national cycle organisations are represented on the Liaison Group: British Cycling (BC) and the Cyclist’s Touring Club (CTC). They support most of the Charter, especially the role of the Safety Advisory Group. However, they have consistently argued against the cap and blanket statement about rider identification.
They might have supported road- and event-specific limitations provided these were specified by the SAG (e.g. no more than x riders/minute on roads a, b and c), and if such limits were based on recorded incidences of serious impacts.
The New Forest National Park Authority will only suport the charter if it contains a cap.
The report says: "In June 2014 Members resolved that they would only support the Charter if it includes a cap of 1,000 cyclists and requires that riders wear rear numbers."
However, that's not the unanimous point of view of the authority. Totton councillor David Harrison, who sits on the authority's board, told the Southern Daily Echo's Chris Yandell: “It would have been so much better if the charter had concentrated on things that are necessary and achievable but stubbornness has meant that we’re likely to publish a charter that the cyclists won’t sign up to.”
But his fellow NPA member Maureen Holding said: “I’m not anti-cycling but I am against flooding the Forest and thus spoiling the quiet enjoyment that’s there for everyone.
“I’ve always said the cycling charter needs more teeth – it hasn’t got the bite that it needs.”




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“But his fellow NPA member
“But his fellow NPA member Maureen Holding said: “I’m not anti-cycling but I am against flooding the Forest and thus spoiling the quiet enjoyment that’s there for everyone”
I’M NOT RACIST BUT…
Yes. ‘quiet enjoyment’.
As anyone trying to drive through Lyndhurst of a sunny summer’s weekend afternoon knows, a 2-mile tailback of cars is indeed both ‘quiet’ and ‘enjoyable’. I’m sure the locals living on roads nearby also welcome motorists ‘quietly enjoying’ the National Park.
KiwiMike wrote:”But his
Two miles?? You’ll be lucky! When I last went through the Forest on the Lyndhurst Road, the traffic was in a stationary queue all the way back to almost as far as the Cadnam interchange on the M27. That’s nearer six miles.
I would never dream of going to the New Forest in a car in summer – the only reason I did so that time was because I was collecting a boat, and they are a little too heavy to tow behind a bicycle!
Funny, last time we were in
Funny, last time we were in the New Forest the place was flooded with cars and impossible to navigate. When visiting my parents we now go elsewhere. We were not on bikes at the time.
“I’m not anti-cycling but I
“I’m not anti-cycling but I am against flooding the Forest and thus spoiling the quiet enjoyment that’s there for everyone.”
I’ve never been to this quiet tranquil part of the country (and given the anti-cylcing attitude, am unlikely to ever bring my family to visit and contribute to the economy of the region either). However, I was wondering how most people visit the area in a manner that ensures it is always quiet? Are all motorised vehicles banned? Are only electric cars allowed? Do the locals only walk or cycle themselves? I am trying to understand how locals and visitors, who are not cyclists, ensure the area remains quiet, in a manner that clearly cyclists who visit a few times a year do not… ~X(
maldin wrote:“I’m not
Shall I send you a white flag you can run up a pole somewhere?
If you don’t want to go there because you don’t like forests or national parks or great scenery and lovely cycling (there’s a reason it’s popular you know) then don’t go there. But if a relatively small number of recently arrived NIMBYs who “weekend” in the forest and want it all to themselves put you off going by being a bit loud and shouty then it will be your loss and their win.
the way I see it the more they complain the more cyclists should go there.
Je suis un cycliste Ce’st ma route aussi. Je rouler sur mes routes
oozaveared wrote:maldin
Shall I send you a white flag you can run up a pole somewhere?
If you don’t want to go there because you don’t like forests or national parks or great scenery and lovely cycling (there’s a reason it’s popular you know) then don’t go there. But if a relatively small number of recently arrived NIMBYs who “weekend” in the forest and want it all to themselves put you off going by being a bit loud and shouty then it will be your loss and their win.
the way I see it the more they complain the more cyclists should go there.
Je suis un cycliste Ce’st ma route aussi. Je rouler sur mes routes— maldin
Its not really practical for me to visit the area even if I wanted to – its a long way away and the age of my children makes such a journey unreasonable. However, the miserable attitude of some locals certainly is not an inducement either. I agree with you though – the attitude of such people is perhaps exactly why those who want to and can go to such events should continue to do so. To stop going would be to give the NIMBYs what they want – their own exclusive-use part of the country, not withstanding that its in a national park.
As a side note: I find such NIMBY attitude almost incomprehensible. I come from a city where an event is held annually for 30000+ cyclists, roads for the entire 100km+ of the route are closed for the duration of the event so that everyone is safe. Rather than protesting that it inconveniences them or prevents them from accessing their favourite spot on the day, locals embrace it, support it or just ignore it – its only a day of inconvenience.
maldin wrote:
As a side note:
Ah common sense, it is a thing of beauty when it is used.
del_boy13 wrote:maldin
Ah common sense, it is a thing of beauty when it is used.— maldin
Maldin, are you perhaps speaking about Cape Town? Either way, the Cape Argus (or whatever it is called this year) is an example of a closed-road event – a huge one – that drastically restricts traffic flow on the day given that it goes around the mountains on pretty much the only road that exists. Yes, the locals complain on occasion, but also come out in droves to support the event, make a nice day of it, and generally be in good cheer.
Woe betide anyone in the New Forest who would want to maybe add some good cheer and support for fellow mankind doing what most of them wouldn’t do.
Let me see now …. my cycling itinerary for this year
1) Cape Town – tick
2) Mallorca – tick
3) South of France – tick
4) London to Paris- tick
5) RideLondon 100 – tick (I hope)
6) Cambridge Gran Fondo – tick
7) (East) Sussex Little Lumpy – tick
8) Wales Velothon – tick
9) Weekend rides anywhere other than the New Forest – tick
10) New Forest sportives (and the cash for the weekend hotels, food, tourist trash etc – DEFINITELY NOT
The “Cape Town Cycle Tour” as
The “Cape Town Cycle Tour” as it’s now known, is extremely well-supported locally. One small issue is tourists who unwittingly book accommodation located on part of the closed route and then find out their ride to the airport is going to be three hours late 🙂
Another issue is there are plenty of testosterone-infused “training” rides using the route (at least the roads open to cycles) in the lead-up. Some of these riders don’t seem to see a problem creating a peloton on roads open to traffic, or ignoring traffic controls, and that creates hard feelings between motorists and cyclists. We all get blamed for the actions of a few.
But overall a great, successful and well-supported event. Pray the Southeaster isn’t blowing.
maldin wrote:“I’m not
the noise of which Councillor Holding complains is probably the loud BANG! made by cycle tyres as they explode going over the tin tacks strewed in the road by the locals.
Every CC within 100km of the
Every CC within 100km of the area arranges a free ‘disorganised’ ride on the same day. All different routes and start points, all ending at the same place. We could make it an annual thing. Everyone agrees not to spend a single penny in the local economy. We all wear the same number.
FFS – It’s a “National” Park
FFS – It’s a “National” Park – it’s there for us all to enjoy, not some independent republic where the local population can dictate what people are allowed to do!
I assume the NFPA will be
I assume the NFPA will be campaigning for the restriction of car numbers.
After all, two issues, noise cars v bikes. even though most bikes will arrive by car and will place a load on certain roads by then getting out of the cars and onto bikes to enjoy the roads you increase the capacity, you reduce the noise etc.
And, how many people/horses/sheep/cows/etc have been seriously injured by cars and how many by bikes?
Which user group is causing the problems???
I can see the need for
I can see the need for controlling to ensure there aren’t clashes with other cycling or other events as too much of anything is not a good thing, but to limit to 500 is bonkers.
riders spread out over a staggered starting time is not a problem.
who’s to say they -the local anti outsider mob – would not fake reports of riders if they had their numbers. stupid.
Perhaps Wiggle should donate some of its revenue to the charity ‘ponies injured by cycles’…about £5 should cover it, and that was for when someone on a venge snuck up behind one without ringing his carbon bell.
Sorry of this reply is less
Sorry of this reply is less than serious, but…
Does the ‘code’ stipulate that the numbers have to be different?
It would be funny if 1000 riders turned up all waring the same number.
Quote:Does the ‘code’
How about an upside-down 13, to signify how unlucky these NIMBYs were to try picking on cyclists? 👿
Must be Mad wrote:Sorry of
Number 6 perhaps? 😉
Everyone here is using reason
Everyone here is using reason and common sense to argue against a committee of blinkered bigots who are only interested in maintaining the status quo, getting re-elected by the electorate they represent (parish councils etc) of which only a minority have complained about cyclists behaviour.
The democratic process locally at best is heavily swayed by those that have the resources to own property and land in the NF, and at worst is completely ignored. They simply ignore all the evidence and polls and petitions from those interested who don’t reside in the the NF boundary.
The NFNPA and the Verders are committees that are not fit for purpose in 21st century Britain.
I’ll wear a number on my back
I’ll wear a number on my back if the NPA agree to the event being a race. Closed roads.
Otherwise, what happens when riders who haven’t paid, join in just to follow the route? Are the nimby’s going to blame the event organisers? One would presume so.
So, the front number is for the event photographer (leave it on if you like that stuff). The rear number is for nimby watchers. Take it off.
Agree with Kiwimike re “I’m not racist but…”. Clowns.
With all this fuss I wouldn’t
With all this fuss I wouldn’t mind going round with a few thousand mates and seeing what it’s all about
having ridden in the Wiggle
having ridden in the Wiggle New Forest last year, and the intention to ride again this year, I find this amazing. 3k of riders, a boost to the local coffers, and even with the snack-bar at mid way most of us will find more food post ride, before going home. Wiggle shouldn’t be having to pay more for this…
bloody Nimbys, staying in the Forest, throwing tacks on the road and whinging… 8}
runskiprun wrote:having
In the main the people complaining are not actually making a living in or around the forest and certainly not from snack bars. The main complainers are not even (in the main) people from the forest. I was born in the forest and my brother still lives there. I don’t see or hear people I would call “locals” having or voicing a problem.
It really is the carpetbaggers mainly from London that have bought expensive weekend places in a national park and then want to treat it as a personal estate. For example my brother being asked not to do building work on his own house on a Saturday because people 400m away could hear the cement mixer when they were “down for weekend”. They’ve also complained about the Scouts using the forest. You know kids running about, shouting, singing at night and having fun. That’s who/what you are up against.
So come on down and spend your money the NIMBYs don’t get that, or they wouldn’t complain. The locals who’ve lived there all their lives completely understand that the forest is a tourist destination and they all know someone whose job or business depends on that trade. And don’t listen so much to the squeaking wheels. It’s lovely cycling in the forest, you are entitled to do it and if some rich git that doesn’t even really live there doesn’t like it then tough. They can F*** off back to London and try that for noisy and crowded.
oozaveared wrote:
It really
Jesus wept. “this is my second home, and kids shouldn’t be allowed to have a campfire and a sing-song in the forest” We really shouldn’t be surprised if it’s come to that.
i wonder why they are so
i wonder why they are so angry? Oh no, i see looking at the comments, it is because there are loads of selfish, ignorant, aggressive, sanctimonius cyclists about. Obvious really.
birzzles wrote:i wonder why
The new forest population are worried that ultimately horses will be banned once the superiority of metal (and plastic) horses has been proved, they see sportives simply as demonstration rides. Once everybody is on metal horses the hay futures market is likely to fall through the floor. Its understandable really
I would suggest to Mrs
I would suggest to Mrs Holding that the only thing spoiling the “quiet enjoyment” of the New Forest for everyone are the cars and trucks.
Perhaps a limit on motor vehicular usage is more appropriate? It would certainly mitigate the almost permanent traffic jams at Lyndhurst and Beaulieu in the summer months…
I think I’d prefer to ride in
I think I’d prefer to ride in the New Forest as part of a small group, rather than a huge Sportive anyhow.
I think it’s high time I got
I think it’s high time I got myself the loudest road legal car and went for a drive through the New Forest. With fuel so cheap, I might soon, er I mean enjoy the serenity quietly, all night long.
S’pose I’ll have drive around
S’pose I’ll have drive around the forest in my car then.
Shame we can not organise
Shame we can not organise something on the scale of Tour of Flanders. 16 thousand riders!
How about cyclists wear
How about cyclists wear yellow stars on their clothing all the time?
and ride in ghettos like Box hill, or Cyclopark, or Hog Hill. I can see where this is going.
They THINK the problem is bikes but the problem is cars.
Was engaging in some new
Was engaging in some new forest npa debate earlier. Check this out, particularly who are responsible for 75% of transgressions in the area.
https://twitter.com/dodgyd/status/557586561995657216
If someone were to, for
If someone were to, for example, ask a group of friends on Twitter (other social networks are available and may end up being used by others to further publicise the intention) if they fancied a ride one weekend, then I don’t believe that there would be much that anyone could do to stop anyone else from joining them. Unless any one person is defined as obstructing the flow of traffic then I don’t think anyone would be breaking the law. If such a thing were to happen on a few weekends when there weren’t any sportives planned then the NIMBYs wouldn’t know who to complain about.
Just thinking aloud obviously, but it could happen!!!!
It’s a shame, as the New
It’s a shame, as the New Forest is a nice place to ride. It can be a pain when the big sportives are in town though- the Sunday TT for a local stage race crossed the Wiggle sportive for a couple of years before the race weekend was changed (it had been running far longer than the sportive!) and you would sometimes have 4 riders abreast on a narrow road and have to shout at people to get out of the way and would be very difficult for other traffic on the narrow stretches.
And if there was a
And if there was a puncture… and it takes a few to help of course… what happens if a car gets a puncture? Obstruction? And in any case, obstructing the flow of traffic is perfectly ok, well, it is round these parts when ever I’ve reported anything.
This could run and run, every weekend…..
just remember that excessive
just remember that excessive numbers of cars are allowed to block roads on a daily basis, but a large number of bikes COULD be a criminal offence.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2013/mar/18/police-activism
Oh dear, not this again.
Oh dear, not this again. Cycling in the New Forest is ok, but for me there are too many cars there at weekends. Think cars have numbers front and back. Might report a few of them and see where that gets me.
Maybe they will put a cap on the number of cars?
Actually, when I was driving there last year a couple of ponies had the audacity to block the road for ten minutes and cause a mild traffic jam. Maybe we should campaign for numbers on the front and back of ponies and limit their numbers too?
Yawn.
Spent 2 weeks in the NF last
Spent 2 weeks in the NF last August, rode most days and experienced no problems, and to avoid traffic I did go early and late – start at 8 am or 6 pm. Never ridden a Sportive there as its a bit far away but I find all this attempt to cap people’s enjoyment of something healthy and ‘green’ incomprehensible. It would surely be a serious and dangerous precedent if a rule is implemented against one specific type of highway user, and I agree it should be fought all the way. I am also a driver, and I know there are certain types of road on which only certain users are permitted, they’re called motorways…oh hang on, they are all rammed full of cars and lorries and vans and coaches holding each other up, without any cyclists in sight….
In the same way newly tweed
In the same way newly tweed clad worthies can be a bit scary, so too can hundreds of people wandering around in figure hugging day glow stretch clothing, constantly hydrating and admiring each others equipment.
This is a proposed voluntary code of conduct drawn up by a committee seeking “safe and responsible cycling and respect for local people”
Having approached at speed, and done a little skid to show respect, cyclists should spring out of the saddle and hug locals tightly, kissing them on both cheeks to allay irrational fears. This will be most effective if first you release your footwear from your pedals.
I ride around the NF a lot.
I ride around the NF a lot. It’s not the ponies I worry about, it’s the London jet set and their X7’s, Range Rovers and other ‘prestige’ lumps of metal and plastic that concern me. In my expeience as a road rider, they regularly ignore the speed limit, overtake close to the rider and tailgate. Finally, it’s they who complain most about the sportives as has been witnessed by a Green activist colleague of mine who has been attending these meetings. They are a self-centred, spoilt and elitist minority who think the NF is their private, weekend playground.
Why are British Cycling
Why are British Cycling leaving it to CTC and Sustrans to raise the issue over the New Forest Cycling Charter. This affects Sportives, it could have wider implications in other National Parks and could be the thin end of the wedge for time trials in the New Forest. The NF NPA meeting this morning voted to implement the charter. BC need to speak out. Why are they so timid?
I just googled Maureen
I just googled Maureen Holding. She has a truly remarkable resemblance to Brian Badonde.