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Sudden Steerer Tube Failure on Canyon Endurace

Hi All,

Two weeks ago, the steerer tube on my Canyon Endurace CF (approximately 2.5 years old) failed without warning, which led to a nasty crash - I have a damaged AC joint as a result.

After sending the bike back to Canyon, they have inspected the bike and informed me that the failure was due to "a worn headset bearing not turning/spinning as it should. The lack of correct rotation from the bearing caused the headset spacers to cut into the steerer."

I've posted some pictures of this at the following link:

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AtFNSLu4w8xTgQauFwVXcglo9pPu

I'm looking for some advice as to whether anyone has seen a similar thing happen before, and whether the explanation I've been given by Canyon is in any way feasible - should a worn headset bearing ever be able to cause the catastrophic failure of a steerer tube?

Thanks,

Adam

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BadgerBeaver | 3 years ago
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I think you are right to question Canyon's response. The reason it sounds like nonsense BS is because it is. 

Please can I suggest that you get a second or third opinion from a qualified engineer and or repair specialist, and get it writing. Would be great if you come back to this forum to tell us what happened, please? I sincerely hope you are looked after by Canyon, in which case, do tell, but if the opposite happened, please do share. 

Lastly, well done for surviving a snapped steerer!

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Hirsute replied to BadgerBeaver | 3 years ago
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A bit late after 2 years...

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BadgerBeaver replied to Hirsute | 3 years ago
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oops, thanks - will check the date of the post when it pops up next time! Lots of posts and stories on here seem to be recycled at the moment...

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Chris Hayes | 4 years ago
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Firstly, sorry to hear about the crash, but at least you're okay.  Forum discussions regarding Canyon failures are all too common.  It may be a function of high volume sales and 'normal' failure distribution, or they suffer from poor design / quality control / materials.   Either way,  none of the above explains their crappy, 'f**k you' customer service which I read about time-and-time again.  

My 2003 Litespeed (winter bike) has done well over 120,000kms without failure - riding done safe in the knowledge that the frame carries a lifetime warranty.  

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BehindTheBikesheds | 6 years ago
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Sounds like a load of pony from Canyon, as above you'd have noticed an issue in how stiff steering had become or how loose the steerer was, it really would be noticeable even just taking a hold of the bars and moving them when off the bike just walking from your front door to the kerb.

In any case would you expect a headset bearing to be so shit that it does that much damage, at all never mind after that period of time. Christ my Specialized Globe which has an alu steerer on the carbon fork has tens of thousands of miles on it in all the worst conditions 7 years of UK commuting will bring. I'm a heavy lump too and I've never had to adjust the headset at all.

For a headset bearing to go pearshape like that to me says it was faulty from the off, the spacers shouldn't be cutting in like that anyway.

think you should get another assessment and the original bearing returned if they are flipping you off.

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Nixster | 6 years ago
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I agree that the expander bung seems the more robust design but on the other hand if play in the headset was causing steerer tube failures they would be going frequently because most if not all headsets develop some play as they wear. 

The expander bung does provide some support to the steerer if it's correctly positioned within the depth of the stem, which can counteract over tightening of the stem bolts to some degree. I'd still say the most likely explanation is over tightening of the stem or a steerer defect. If it's the latter then headset design is irrelevant. If not, it doesn't help but it's not the cause.

If you have a Canyon you could always add an expander if you were concerned, Exustar make them.

The OP could tell Canyon that either the spacers must be faulty to damage the steerer or the steerer must have had a fault to fail as it did and what are they going to do about it? 

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velochris | 6 years ago
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Maybe email a few of the companies who repair carbon bikes. They may have seen a similar pattern.

I had a Canyon a while ago which used the same headset. In my opinion it is a flawed design (Campagnolo used it on one model as well).

I have built dozens of bikes and stripped similar amounts of headsets. Maybe I was unlucky but I always found with time that model would slip so thr headset became loose. If that was the cause I could not say.

My theory was the small grub scew that sets the tension must ever so slightly loosen with vibration etc. It does not need much movement to create play in the bearings.

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Nixster | 6 years ago
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The Canyon headset uses an expanding headset top cap rather than a compression bung I understand but I don't see that being particularly relevant here. Did the steerer fail within the depth of the stem or where the stem meets the spacers? I'm assuming the latter.

I can see a scenario where a seized upper bearing causes relative movement between the top cap and the stem with any spacers between them moving relative to both. Usually it's the lower headset bearing that goes first however and as its more heavily loaded it's noticeable in the steering whereas the upper bearing may not be.  Is the upper headset bearing seized? Did you hear any noise from the front end before it went? I imagine it would creak if the spacers were rubbing on either the stem or the headset.

What Canyon are saying I think is just about plausible but there are a couple of things I'd question. First the spacers are usually a close fit on the steerer and secondly shouldn't have any protruding edges to cut into the steerer. Bit of a manufacturing issue if they do I think. If they did or were a loose fit then yes scoring of the steerer could cause a stress riser and sudden failure of the steerer. 

The more likely explanation is either excessive stress caused by over tightening the stem bolts or a defect in the steerer but they have seen the bits and I've only seen pictures. 

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ad8741 replied to Nixster | 6 years ago
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Nixster wrote:

Is the upper headset bearing seized? Did you hear any noise from the front end before it went? I imagine it would creak if the spacers were rubbing on either the stem or the headset.

There was no noise at all, no creaking, nothing - I would imagine the spacers would have had to be cutting into the tube for a quite a while to cause a problem, but I have never heard anything or experienced any issues. The only noise I heard was the crack of the tube breaking, followed by the sound of my shoulder hitting the ground hard!

 

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Jimmy Ray Will | 6 years ago
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Am I right in thinking that Canyon headset's are tensioned by a device in the headset cap, and not via a an expander bolt pushing down on the stem as a normal aheadset?

If so, I can think of a couple of challenges. First, with no need for an expander bolt, does the lack of this mean that there is less material to tolerate the forces put through the stem / fork interface?

Similarly, in a normal headest, does the pre-loading of the stem against spacers / headset top cap dissipate stress into a wider area? 

Looking at the pictures, the thickness of the steerer seems minimal, is there a question around the integrity of the steerer in the first place? 

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ad8741 replied to Jimmy Ray Will | 6 years ago
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Jimmy Ray Will wrote:

Am I right in thinking that Canyon headset's are tensioned by a device in the headset cap, and not via a an expander bolt pushing down on the stem as a normal aheadset?

Yes, that is correct.

Jimmy Ray Will wrote:

If so, I can think of a couple of challenges. First, with no need for an expander bolt, does the lack of this mean that there is less material to tolerate the forces put through the stem / fork interface?

Similarly, in a normal headest, does the pre-loading of the stem against spacers / headset top cap dissipate stress into a wider area?

Looking at the pictures, the thickness of the steerer seems minimal, is there a question around the integrity of the steerer in the first place? 

I honestly don't know the answer to these questions - quite a few people I have spoken to have questioned the headset setup that Canyon use. However, Canyon sell an awful lot of bikes and it seems difficult to imagine they would compromise on the integrity of such a critical item.

 

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hawkinspeter | 6 years ago
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I can't see the photo without signing up for a Live drive. Think I'll skip that.

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ad8741 replied to hawkinspeter | 6 years ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

I can't see the photo without signing up for a Live drive. Think I'll skip that.

Sorry about that. Try these instead:

https://adraffe2.blob.core.windows.net/bike/IMG_1149.JPG

https://adraffe2.blob.core.windows.net/bike/IMG_1153.JPG

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hawkinspeter replied to ad8741 | 6 years ago
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Ad8741 wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

I can't see the photo without signing up for a Live drive. Think I'll skip that.

Sorry about that. Try these instead:

https://adraffe2.blob.core.windows.net/bike/IMG_1149.JPG

https://adraffe2.blob.core.windows.net/bike/IMG_1153.JPG

Thanks for that.

I don't see headset bearings causing that and I can only think it's something to do with the top-cap/expansion bung not being correctly installed.

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DaSy | 6 years ago
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I have never seen this before, but you can clearly see where grooves have been worn into the steerer at intervals that seem consistent with the headset spacers, but it doesn't make sense to me initially though.

Did the headset bearing and top cap not move at all? I can only see what they mean if turning the handlebars rotated the steerer, but that the seized headset stayed still and in some way managed to keep the headset spacers still with it. 

The spacers slide down over the steerer, so shouldn't be able to dig in and score the surface, although I have had bikes in where the expanding wedge has been seriously over-tightened and caused the steerer to bulge and jam the spacers in place.

I do struggle to see quite how a headset would cause this, I would have thought it would have to be so seized, and that you would have to put so much effort into turning the bars to steer that the bike would be unrideable.

I'd ask for an explanation that states what the worn bearing did to cause the marks, and say you will take it to an engineer for an independent report if they don't supply a reason that makes sense.

 

Edit to say that I did just think of a scenario where the headset adjustment was really loose, so the whole thing was slopping about and could cause the steerer to move back under braking etc, and with the extra space caused by the slop, the spacers could be forced into the steerer at a slight angle repeatedly.

What was the state of the bearings and adjustment of it all?

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ad8741 replied to DaSy | 6 years ago
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DaSy wrote:

I do struggle to see quite how a headset would cause this, I would have thought it would have to be so seized, and that you would have to put so much effort into turning the bars to steer that the bike would be unrideable.

Yes, a few others have said the same thing - I just can't see how that would be possible, I wouldn't have been able to ride the bike at all if it had been seized anywhere near enough for that.

 

DaSy wrote:

What was the state of the bearings and adjustment of it all?

Canyon have told me that the bearings were worn, but I could detect absolutely no sign of that - there was no play, no movement back and forth under braking - nothing at all that gave me any indication of worn bearings or incorrect adjustment, etc.

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Durianrider1 replied to ad8741 | 4 years ago
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Sounds like they lied to you mate! It is VERY clear from an engineering angle to see your steerer CRACKED at the high stress zone of the bottom edge of the stem. If canyon put in a PROPER steerer plug that went below the lowest edge of the stem then it would not have failed.

I see steerers fail when the stock plug is deep enough but the rider stupidly allows spacers above the stem which mean the stock steerer plug WONT cover past the lowest stem clamping edge. A steerer failure is in the post.

Carbon steerers should be inspected by the owner every 5000km at least!

Ive done many youtube videos on the subject.

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joeegg replied to Durianrider1 | 3 years ago
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To reinforce the steerer on my Endurace i put an aluminium sleeve down to cover the clamping area of the stem.I found that an old 27.2 seatpost was the perfect diameter .Loosen stem, cut the right length off,a bit of stud fix on the outside,and slide down.I run my stem close to the headset top cap so had to slide it down about 25mm from the top of the steerer. Tighten stem, and hopefully i have a little bit of an insurance policy.

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Macton replied to joeegg | 3 years ago
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Hi Joegg, i have a Canyon Endurace CF SLX with the combined cockpit...due to my over zealous tightening have cracked the carbon fibre on the fork top tube and have ordered new forks from Canyon do you reckon your trick would prevent this happening again....i tried adding a photo, but wont let me. regards Mark....oh looks like it did work

 

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Pilot Pete replied to Macton | 3 years ago
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A torque wrench should prevent that happening again...

PP

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