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Ribble R872 105SE vs Planet X ProCarbon SRAM Rival?

I've just started getting into Sportives and am currently riding a 2016 Cube Attain. No problems with the bike but I am thinking of taking advantage of the bike to work scheme to make an upgrade, as it's the only way my wife will let me spend a £1000 on a bike and spending any more money on significant upgrades is also out. Two options seem to make sense at the current prices:

  • The Ribble R872 105SE which seems to have a very well reviewed frame, albeit with a few complaints of a lack of compliance on longer rides, full 105 groupset and what appears to be a very basic set of Rodi Airline 5 Wheels. I'd guess that Ribble's thought process is that these would be the first thing to be upgraded but as mentioned above, it's pretty unlikely I'll get to upgrade them. another downside is I'd have to pay an additional £100 Admin fee, so save money from the tax man but pay it to Ribble instead.
  • The Planet X ProCarbon is a bit lighter and has a better set of wheels, Vision 35's, and a more compliant frame but there is just no up to date review available. It has a full SRAM Rival groupset(I am not bothered about if I have Shimano or SRAM). On the downside there are a few mentions on Forum posts that the bike suffers from high speed wobble at speeds over 40mph (I am not sure I've even gone that fast yet!) and that the front fork is a little springy when sprinting. 

I am 40 years old, 5ft10 and currently weigh 14st (that is going down but I doubt I'll ever weigh less than 13). I am looking to enter short and middle distance sportives next year, with maybe one longer distance one and will probably join a cycle club next year. And of course I'll be riding it to work!!

Any constructive advice welcome, particularly if you have experience of the bikes in question. If you do have alternatives to offer please remember I can only buy through the bike 2 works vouchers so please don't suggest anything that cannot be purchased that way or costs more than a grand, regardless of how brilliant it is.

If you're new please join in and if you have questions pop them below and the forum regulars will answer as best we can.

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skwarczek | 7 years ago
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Im pretty sure there is a Ribble pop up shop in Birmingham if you wanted to go and sit on one. They put the aero 883 on a turbo trainer for me so i could at least get a feel of what the type of bike is like. 

Yep, the store is in the mailbox. 

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Punches Dragons replied to skwarczek | 7 years ago
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skwarczek wrote:

Im pretty sure there is a Ribble pop up shop in Birmingham if you wanted to go and sit on one. They put the aero 883 on a turbo trainer for me so i could at least get a feel of what the type of bike is like. 

Yep, the store is in the mailbox. 

I noticed that myself last night and that is definitely an option, I am off in a couple of weeks and Birmingham is under 3 hours drive.

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Punches Dragons | 7 years ago
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You can just about get a CAAD12 for £1000 on the bike2work scheme, although yet again they charge a 10% admin fee. It's not a bike that has cropped up in my searches before because of the normally higher price. It's certainly an option that I should be able to ride at my local bike shop, even if I have to order it online to get it at the £1000 mark. 

The downside is that I look at it and I feel no love at all for the aesthetics of it, it is not a pretty bike with that small amount of seatpost on display and the massive logos everywhere but the Ribble is no looker either and the very compact geometry of the Planet X is certainly not to everyones taste. 

It does seem to get good reviews though and it is a bike I can at least go and try locally before I commit. I do have Holiday time coming up so I could do the drive to Birmingham and Sheffield to try the other two. Thanks for the feedback everyone! More is also welcome.

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ibr17xvii replied to Punches Dragons | 7 years ago
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Punches Dragons wrote:

You can just about get a CAAD12 for £1000 on the bike2work scheme, although yet again they charge a 10% admin fee. It's not a bike that has cropped up in my searches before because of the normally higher price. It's certainly an option that I should be able to ride at my local bike shop, even if I have to order it online to get it at the £1000 mark. 

The downside is that I look at it and I feel no love at all for the aesthetics of it, it is not a pretty bike with that small amount of seatpost on display and the massive logos everywhere but the Ribble is no looker either and the very compact geometry of the Planet X is certainly not to everyones taste. 

It does seem to get good reviews though and it is a bike I can at least go and try locally before I commit. I do have Holiday time coming up so I could do the drive to Birmingham and Sheffield to try the other two. Thanks for the feedback everyone! More is also welcome.

As my best bike I have a Cannondale CAAD 12 105 from 2016 that I got at the end of season for less than £900. Dropped lucky though cos they only had 1 size left & that was mine.

If you can hang on a month or two I would deffo have a look around to see what you can pick up. August / Sept is a good time to buy as shops want to get rid of their 2017 stock to make room for next years.

Obviously not an exact science though as you are banking being able to pick something up in your size.

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rjbstoke | 7 years ago
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I was hell bent on getting a carbon bike last year (was going for the Ribble Gran Fondo) using their 3 year plan. 

Just as I was about to order a friend offered me his Rose Xeon RS(Alu) for a steal, so I went for it. It rides beautifully and I've got full Ultegra, which after swapping from Sora on my old Boardman is just astonishing. Best part of all is the weight. The Rose weighs in at less than 10kg, and is lighter than another friends carbon Bianchi, which for me being 100kg is another nice bonus when the road goes up.

Personally having had a cheaper groupset, I would invest in that more than the frame. Slicker more accurate gear changes are great, when you put the hammer down, the bottom bracket doesnt feel like it may give out and more precise powerful braking are all part of a better groupset.  

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alansmurphy | 7 years ago
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You can get a Cannondale CAADX with discs for a grand or a CAAD 12 for around the same - some of the best alloys on the market, or CAAD 8 with a few hundred to spare.

As said, I've no problem with carbon or either suggestion, they are both tempting, but I wouldn't spend that much on a bike I hadn't Sat on  1

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ibr17xvii | 7 years ago
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I have a Ribble bike & so far (touch wood) have had nothing but good experiences with them but I have to say I would be loathe to pay them their admin fee.

I know they say the bikes are built to order etc etc but they do offer a lot more off the shelf builds with just a tweak or 2 here & there than they used to so the fee to me just smacks of extra profit.

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Punches Dragons | 7 years ago
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I won't be commuting on it! It's more of a don't bike 2 work scheme.

One of the first things I did was google best road bikes for a grand and got most of the usual contenders;  Trek Emonda ALR4, Specialized Allez etc. Nearly all of them have the same groupsets or wheels that you can have on the Ribble or Planet X. The argument that you can go for an Aluminium frame and Carbon Fork and end up with better componentry does not really stack up, in fact it seems reversed if you are comparing against the direct sale Internet companies like Ribble and Planet X that often have deals that put better than you'd expect componentry on their frames compared to the big name manufacturers. In fact it seems you need to be vary wary about what any of them provide or advertise. The Ribble R872 105SE is a full 105 groupset and you simply don't get that on the big manufactures at this price point.

That kind of leads on to two questions I have been struggling with.

  • How much worth is it to have bought your bike at the local shop and have a relationship with them, provided they can sell you the Aluminium machine you want and take the bike2work scheme vouchers? My initial thoughts is that this value has somewhat diminished over the last few years. Many of the answers your local shop would provide are easily obtainable elsewhere and you can definitely purchase everything cheaper online.  They still have some value, especially for more complicated workshop tasks, to test ride before you buy and to help withwarranty issues, and in the case of some, additional services like proper bike fitting but it is hard to monetize that worth for comparison to the money you save buying direct on line. I am reasonably technically minded and not an ape with tools so all but the most complicated tasks I can do or can learn to do myself so I am not likely to be visiting a bike shop every couple of weeks to sort out the latest mechanical drama.
  • The harder question is do Aluminium frames that can be bought using bike2work vouchers  at this price point give you a bike with a far superior ride considering you could be using cheaper componentry and almost certainly carrying extra weight. That's the real bugger as I can ride some of the popular alloy frames if I am willing to drive around visiting bike shops but the carbon ones are far more awkward.  Ribble offer a 30 day trial but I can imagine doing this with the bike2work scheme will be an absolute nightmare and Planet basically offer you no returns.

It's defintely tricky.

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billymansell | 7 years ago
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I've a PX ProCarbon that's been ridden almost daily for over seven years now either on the road or on the turbo. It's proved excellent value as it still looks immaculate but I did cover vulnerable areas with frame protector on day one. Over those years other than replacing consumables I have replaced the wheels (mine came with PXs own wheels which weren't good) and a couple of saddles.

I'd take the old stories about the ProCarbon as just that otherwise why would they still be selling it after so long. I've regularly ridden it at 40mph+ without speed wobble so who is to say any reports of speed wobble aren't factors related to the rider or their position rather than the bike. As for flex you're more likely to get flex from the bars and stem than the forks and as you're wanting the bike for sportives not racing aren't issues related to sprinting moot anyway?

In addition to those myths my frame hasn't dissolved from either too much rain or too much sun nor has it fallen apart from its regular use on the turbo throughout every year I've owned it.

I'll keep riding mine as long as keeps going although I'm itching for a disc road bike but resisting the urge for now at least.

 

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alansmurphy | 7 years ago
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Depends on the kind of 13/14 stone you aim to be as well - an out and out power for an hour rider or obsessed with climbing may want the quick response that a carbon frame gives you. I've looked at the planet x ones before but strangely their ever changing prices upset me, the lime/orange/pink pro carbon came down to about 749 at one point and then back up, I couldn't justify the higher price after that. Also, be warned, think planet x charge 10% on c2w bikes - there is a small hyperlink at the bottom of their page.

You mention commuting too, carbon may not be the best for this, potentially a gravel bike, good alloy or even steel. This is also an option if you're a Sunday warrior, 50 miler at 15/16 mph. If you're looking one bike fits all then something that'll take bigger tyres, mudguards maybe disc brakes. I've looked at the Planet X Holdsworth Elan at 499 or 599 depending on groupset.

I also have a Cannondale which I love, carbon with 105 on it. Cannondale CAADX 8/10 etc. have had amazing reviews for around the right price point.

I would Google best road bikes for under 1k rather than be too motivated by carbon. Also, fit, feel and heart come into it, ride some and see which makes you smile!

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skwarczek | 7 years ago
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I have just been through the exact same process as you, albeit not C2W. Went for the Ribble in the end, R872 105SE. Customer Service and value for money swung it. I did upgrade the wheels to mavic aksium for £49, might as well get it done now rather than doing it anyway in about a years time. 

The planetX is "old" carbon technology whereas the Ribble is brand new this year.

Im 5'11" and weighing around 100kg, slowly coming down.

Here is my latest ride on the bike and can safely say i dont regret buying it at all. 

https://www.relive.cc/view/1100417407

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mike the bike | 7 years ago
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There is something in what the two gentlemen above have suggested.  A few months ago Cycling Plus magazine tested a dozen popular bikes at your price point.  Only one carbon bike (a Ribble)  made it through to the last six, where it was promptly beaten by the five alloy framed machines.

The test was thorough, prolonged and involved several experienced riders and all sorts of road conditions.  I tend to believe the results.

Aluminium has come on in leaps and bounds recently but remains much cheaper than carbon to mass-produce; this leaves more room for higher spec' groupsets and wheels.

Just a thought.

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ChrisB200SX | 7 years ago
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the Planet X Pro Carbon frame has been around for a while, I recently chatted with a couple of guys on them and they said they were brilliant bikes that had no right being so comfortable at such a low price. One said his boss was so impressed when he tried it that he sold his really expensive bike for a Pro Carbon.

I've recently bought a Planet X Pro Carbon frame to put all my spare parts on. Wonder whether I should have put the upgrades on it instead of the main bike.

I doubt you'll regret going for the Planet X. I'd go with Shimano 105 but I'm really impressed with how SRAM Rival changes gear so directly on my Planet X Stealth Carbon time trial bike. My time trial bike is surprisingly smooth over bumps, and that's also an old frame design using the same Toray 700 carbon fibre.

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The Gavalier | 7 years ago
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Go for something alloy framed. 

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ibr17xvii replied to The Gavalier | 7 years ago
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The Gavalier wrote:

Go for something alloy framed. 

Just my opinion but I would tend to agree.

At your price point I would much rather have a decent Alu frame than a lower end carbon one.

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