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How not to be a knob to female cyclists

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Top tips on how not to discourage even more women off the road and out of the sport

This week a BT Sport survey found that 80 per cent of women athletes polled felt pressure to conform to a certain look and body type.

Hold that thought for a second - the vast majority of athletes, women at the top of their game physically, are facing pressure from the media, social media, coaches, sports officials and other athletes to look a certain way - as Rebecca Adlington put it on that jungle programme through a curtain of tears: ‘stick thin, big boobs and a pretty face.’

76 of the athletes said their behaviour had been influenced - so they might change their diet (87 per cent), or their training (58 per cent). One athlete said she developed an eating disorder, while another said: “Sometimes it has meant my diet no longer is optimum for performance but becomes optimum for looking slimmer/thinner....which isn't my body type.”

Perhaps some of the pressure comes from the way women athletes are constantly being pursued to pose naked - although perhaps the highest profile British woman pro cyclist, Victoria Pendleton, didn’t seem too concerned about going nude in GQ magazine before the Olympics.

“I don’t suppose it does bother me really,” she said. “I have done a few sexy photoshoots, I’ve been told I’ve got a nice bum, plus when I compete I am wearing a skin suit, so really, what’s the difference?”

Having said that, she’s also said that she was ‘saddened’ to have her muscles airbrushed out of media images, to make her look ‘more feminine’, and told BT Sport this week: “I think that it would be really valuable if women were celebrated for their achievements more.”

It’s easy to think these superstars should get over it - stop looking at the abuse on Twitter, ignore the insecurity and think of the pound signs - but there’s a more insidious side to all of this.

Women already battle a number of reasons not to get on a bike every day. From bike shop assistants who don’t understand women’s cycling needs or patronise them, to employers who don’t provide showers or decent changing facilities, to clubs that don’t know how to cater to women, to traffic fears when cycling with children - the list of reasons not to get onto a saddle can seem endless.

The Australian Heart Foundation’s report into women and cycling last year found the need to transport children and cycling clothes being unfashionable were the reasons a third of women gave for men cycling more than them.

Whether or not you think these are valid excuses to choose a car over a bike, it’s hard to argue it’s a good thing these women aren’t cycling.

So let’s not give women any more reasons to leave the bike at home.

 

Here’s how not to be a dick to a female cyclist in six simple steps*

 

1. Do not fetishise her

Women on bikes don’t want your pervy comments any more than they want your rude ones. Victoria Pendleton probably gets a tiny bit of sick in her mouth every time some guy tells her how much he likes to look at her in cycling shorts.

Many women already feel self-conscious putting it all on show, so make like you haven’t noticed it, okay?

If you have some creepy thing about tight Lycra, keep it to yourself, or look online for some like-minded weirdos to share it with instead.

2. Do not harass her

I know you might not be one of them, but those guys exist. The ones who shout things out of car windows, or worse, film your arse as you ride along (yep, it happens). Don’t do it - it’s probably illegal and it’s never ended well for any guy who’s tried it with me.

3. Don’t put mean comments under reviews of women’s clothing

When we review women’s clothing at road.cc, we do it so women know whether a bit of gear is worth forking out for. When we photograph a woman wearing it, we do it so she gets a vague idea of whether she likes the look of it.

What we don’t do is photograph it so you get to leer all over that woman in tight clothing, comment on whether or not she is ‘really’ a cyclist or suggest some super-helpful diet or exercise tips for her to look more like a ‘real’ cyclist.

Besides being unpleasant for the woman in the picture, take a second to think about how an 'ordianary' woman thinking about taking up riding is going to feel about the reception she might get.

4. Don’t put mean comments under reviews of men’s clothing, either

One of our male reviewers often gets mocked for being too skinny, and some bloke last week decided to point out that he doesn’t have 'proper cyclists legs' - which was quite funny as he's just got a semi-pro contract with a Belgian team for the season.

Just don’t body snark - it just makes you look like a dick.

5. Do speak out

If you see a woman (or a man) getting abused for any reason, do speak out. Tell that person their Tweet wasn’t cool. Call out the pervy guy on the club run. The person on the receiving end will be grateful and if 0.00001% of knobs change their attitude because of what you said, that’s still progress.

6. Don’t give unsolicited ‘advice’

The girls you know who cycle might really want your advice on what protein shakes to have for breakfast, or how sprint intervals will make them leaner, or whatever. If they want it, they’ll ask.

If they don’t, they’ll just carry on riding whatever bike they chose, wearing whatever they picked out for the purpose, eating whatever tastes good. But thanks for your concern.

 

*There are probably loads more ways not to be a knob to women on bikes. Feel free to add your own in the comments below.

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arfa | 10 years ago
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Not really being into the club run thing or the mass sportive type gathering this isn't something I have come across but it clearly goes on. Surely it is the sort of thing clubs would want to not tolerate ?
I'd be rather embarrassed to ride with someone behaving as outlined above.

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Jimmy Ray Will | 10 years ago
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But really... Wow. Just thought about it some more. I did once talk to a very accomplished female cyclist on a ride, talking about biomechanics. During that conversation as way of example I did explain that the nature of her obvious foot pronation meant she could benefit from a different shoe manufacturer... She really didn't like it.
Now I understand, she felt that I was trying to 'lord' it over her, to patronise her... I thought I was trying to help a competitive cyclist be more competitive.
How enlightening.

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Jimmy Ray Will | 10 years ago
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Wow... This piece has been enlightening.
I'm fairly comfortable in my ability to interact/not interact with female cyclists, but wow, I never knew there was so much animosity (from both sexes) to receiving advice/suggestions from fellow cyclists.
Personally, I want to be told every tip, hear every suggestion for ways to make my cycling better, so I find it weird and alien that this is not a genuinely shared sentiment.
Are you really saying you'd prefer to ride along making obvious mistakes that will compromise comfort/enjoyment/performance/safety than 'endure' the horror that someone might be more experienced, may be able to offer an objective third party viewpoint that helps... Wow.
This has changed my cycling and I will never offer advice to a cyclist again. How weird that trying to help should be twisted around to become a cynical display of superiority... Weird

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GoingRoundInCycles replied to Jimmy Ray Will | 10 years ago
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Jimmy Ray Will wrote:

Wow... This piece has been enlightening.
I'm fairly comfortable in my ability to interact/not interact with female cyclists, but wow, I never knew there was so much animosity (from both sexes) to receiving advice/suggestions from fellow cyclists.
Personally, I want to be told every tip, hear every suggestion for ways to make my cycling better, so I find it weird and alien that this is not a genuinely shared sentiment.
Are you really saying you'd prefer to ride along making obvious mistakes that will compromise comfort/enjoyment/performance/safety than 'endure' the horror that someone might be more experienced, may be able to offer an objective third party viewpoint that helps... Wow.
This has changed my cycling and I will never offer advice to a cyclist again. How weird that trying to help should be twisted around to become a cynical display of superiority... Weird

I would not give unsolicited advice to an unknown adult except in the most extreme circumstances where saying nothing could have serious consequences.

Even with family and friends, IMO, it is often better to allow them to learn from their own 'mistakes' rather than butting in with an unwanted opinion. For example, I found it extremely difficult to keep my big mouth shut when my daughter at University started dating an absolute buffoon. If I had stuck my nose in her business, she would probably still be with him, just to spite her meddling dad and assert her independence.

Even as a teacher of post 16 students, you really cannot begin to teach effectively until you have built a relationship with the kids, so that they trust you, believe in your competence and believe that you genuinely care and have their best interests at heart. Only then will they have the confidence to ask for your advice and not mind when they are stuck if you humbly suggest that an alternative approach to the problem might bear fruit. Long gone are the days where kids feel that they have to listen to anything you say, just because you are an adult and in theory have more experience than they do.

I don't believe this is a male/female thing either.

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a.jumper | 10 years ago
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Unless you're racing or it's baking hot, why not wear stuff over the Lycra? I do

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aslongasicycle replied to a.jumper | 10 years ago
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a.jumper wrote:

Unless you're racing or it's baking hot, why not wear stuff over the Lycra? I do

Why should anyone have to?

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a.jumper replied to aslongasicycle | 10 years ago
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aslongasicycle wrote:
a.jumper wrote:

Unless you're racing or it's baking hot, why not wear stuff over the Lycra? I do

Why should anyone have to?

You don't have to, but it's personal choice whether to show off every curve and bump or not. Personally, I feel uncomfortable in only figure-hugging lycra, so I buy padded undershorts or tights designed to be worn under other clothes.

There's no excuse for some of the pervy behaviour like bum-filming and so on, but if you "feel self-conscious" there are alternatives which don't seem to occur to some cyclists and I don't understand why...

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errbud | 10 years ago
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How to be a knob ... tell other people how not to be a knob.

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goggy | 10 years ago
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My brother is a triathlete and a marathon runner. He does ultra-marathons, and fancies himself as expert Iron Man athlete (he hasn't done one yet!)

My sister decided to do a triathlon after 20 years of no training for anything. Advice galore from brother, comments like "I'll stay back with you", etc... Heavy bike, wrong gear, cheap running shoes ... she thrashed him.

Some people are just naturally better athletes  36

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Mostyn replied to goggy | 10 years ago
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goggy wrote:

My brother is a triathlete and a marathon runner. He does ultra-marathons, and fancies himself as expert Iron Man athlete (he hasn't done one yet!)

My sister decided to do a triathlon after 20 years of no training for anything. Advice galore from brother, comments like "I'll stay back with you", etc... Heavy bike, wrong gear, cheap running shoes ... she thrashed him.

Some people are just naturally better athletes  36

Ah yes, I love this post; and it's so true, some are natural at whatever sport they try! My Daughter is exactly that way; it comes easy to her; although, she always waits for her old DAD to catch up.

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dodgy | 10 years ago
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Interesting to see a general theme from some posters on here. "I know a girl and she would 'kill' you on the bike" etc (I'm paraphrasing).

I don't care.

I also don't care if I pass you and I don't care if you pass me and you're a bloke/girl/elephant/whatever.

Yes it's sad that this article needed writing, I agree with the sentiment.

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stuartp | 10 years ago
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Just read the comments on fb following any updates from the Wiggle Honda team to get an idea of the that are out knobs out there.
Cringeworthy doesn't even come close  31

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700c | 10 years ago
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Unsurprising that the mantra 'don't give unsolicited advice' is something that some on here have difficulty accepting (it's a forum of knowledgeable enthusiasts, after all)..

I do try to live by this but easily said, not as easily done!

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aslongasicycle | 10 years ago
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Things aren't quite so cute on the road.cc Facebook page. Why is FB always the lowest common denominator?

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Paul_C replied to aslongasicycle | 10 years ago
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aslongasicycle wrote:

Things aren't quite so cute on the road.cc Facebook page. Why is FB always the lowest common denominator?

you can always flag an "inappropriate" post on FB to the FB team.

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Shep73 | 10 years ago
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I know plenty of female mountain bikers, they have bigger balls than most men who ride. I have even asked one who is a very good down hill racer and was a national champ for advice and I'm not ashamed to ask either.

I would be lying if I said I don't think women look sexy in lycra but I wouldn't say it. No different to women saying it about blokes and it does happen both ways.

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msmtb | 10 years ago
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Startling sad that it is necessary to post a piece on how men should behave around women.

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bikemadjo | 10 years ago
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I agree with Russyparkin, I train with a young lady that can and does tear the men to pieces on as bike including me at times. Though advice should be given regardless of gender and we should fear giving advice in case we offend people.

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hugebob | 10 years ago
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I'm from the United States. So, I'm not quite sure what a "knob" is. Is that like being a jerk? If you're a guy and you see a woman having difficulty, you want to help. So, as did the poster above, just slow up and ask if she needs help. If she answers yes, give her the same help you would if it were a man and move on.

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Sarah Barth replied to | 10 years ago
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hugebob wrote:

I'm from the United States. So, I'm not quite sure what a "knob" is. Is that like being a jerk? If you're a guy and you see a woman having difficulty, you want to help. So, as did the poster above, just slow up and ask if she needs help. If she answers yes, give her the same help you would if it were a man and move on.

I'm not sure what a 'knobe' is but a 'knob' is a 'dick' to you guys  1

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don simon fbpe | 10 years ago
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Advice from a stranger? I wouldn't thank you for it, unless, of course, you knew the history behind why I'm doing what I'm doing and had a reasonable relationship with me, and finally that you were a person whose opinion I would respect.
Hopefully the article will make a few think twice before entering into a bit of banter.

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gmrza replied to don simon fbpe | 10 years ago
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Funnily, I would never give a stranger advice, but on the other hand, some advice which a stranger (and a woman) gave me has saved me a lot of grief with my pedalling. I am very grateful for the fact that she said something to me!

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Dizzy | 10 years ago
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I would actually like to say a big "Thnak you" the all the knobs of a local cycling club, the ones that used to fly past me, as a puffed along, blubber wobbling, trying to shed the 9stone I gained after surgery & the hospital acquired infection, the ones that made snide comments, the ones that sniggered, the ones that made Mooing noises.
Yep I thnak you all.... 7yrs later I ride for another local club, and my Strava stats wipe the floor with yours.

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rich22222 | 10 years ago
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7. Always assume females wear pink everything all of the time and portray as such in every article relating to female cycling.
Tick

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allez neg | 10 years ago
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I managed to not be a knob to a couple of female roadies only this afternoon. It was easy, they were fixing a puncture by the roadside. I did out of courtesy say 'alright?' as I pedalled past, to which I got a positive reply and thus I singlespeeded my way away secure in my knowledge that women can fix bikes too and that I ought to focus my thoughts on the bastard-steep little climb in front of me (Croydon Hill, for the Bedfordshire types here)

No wolf whistles or leering or Leslie Phillips Well Hellos or anything. See, its easy really.  4

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mattsccm | 10 years ago
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No problems with the above but it suggests that we should treat women differently. You would tell a bloke if he was pedalling like a monkey so why not a women.
Ah of course, They are sensitive things aren't they.
Tosh

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Sarah Barth replied to mattsccm | 10 years ago
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mattsccm wrote:

No problems with the above but it suggests that we should treat women differently. You would tell a bloke if he was pedalling like a monkey so why not a women.
Ah of course, They are sensitive things aren't they.
Tosh

I think you might have just confirmed yourself to be a knob...

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aslongasicycle replied to mattsccm | 10 years ago
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mattsccm wrote:

Ah of course, They are sensitive things aren't they.
Tosh

Its just Sarah trying to add balance to the comments and stir it up a bit. Weak Sarah, weak!

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Sarah Barth replied to aslongasicycle | 10 years ago
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aslongasicycle wrote:
mattsccm wrote:

Ah of course, They are sensitive things aren't they.
Tosh

Its just Sarah trying to add balance to the comments and stir it up a bit. Weak Sarah, weak!

It's not me, promise! I'm basking in the glow of comments actually being nice for a change...

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Colin Peyresourde replied to mattsccm | 10 years ago
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mattsccm wrote:

No problems with the above but it suggests that we should treat women differently. You would tell a bloke if he was pedalling like a monkey so why not a women.
Ah of course, They are sensitive things aren't they.
Tosh

I feel a little patronised by this article - or is that matronised?! I'm not sure you'd get away with an article about how to treat male cyclists either - though I grant the patronising usually goes one way. Why not an article about how to respect other cyclists - no gender bias - you can then talk about sexist behaviour under general topic areas of bad etiquette.

Actually the point about being overtaken is something that men do to anyone - I can't say I do it a lot as I don't get over taken a lot by anyone, but given a rabbit, fast or slow, male or female, I would probably use it to better my effort. Just don't take it personal (as a sexist attitude or otherwise). Just be confident in yourself.

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