WARNING: VERY STRONG LANGUAGE BELOW
If you’ve done wrong and got away with a relative slap on the wrist, it’s probably advisable to take what you’re given and move on… however, it appears the aggressive driver in this clip from road.cc reader Miché doesn’t grasp this concept, seeing an original £60 fine and the offer of a speed awareness course grow to a £2,460 fine and six points on his driving licence after losing appeals at magistrates’ court and eventually Crown Court.
Miché told road.cc that after being knocked off his bike by a driver in June 2020, he bought a camera along with his new bike to record bad drivers after he had regained enough confidence to get off the trainer and back out on the roads. It was shortly after making this decision in July 2021 that the incident shown above occurred in North Wales.
We see Miché ride through some temporary traffic lights, after which the driver of a white Ford estate car passes him with inches to spare with traffic on the other side of the road.
Miché shouts, and the driver gets out of the vehicle saying: “Don’t f**king shout at me like that, I’ve got my f**king daughter in the car.”
Miché submitted the footage to Operation SNAP and North Wales Police, and says the driver was offered a £60 fine and a driver’s awareness course for the close pass and threatening behaviour.
Sounds pretty lenient, right? The driver appealed, and a date was set for the case to be heard at a magistrates’ court.
Miché added: “The driver did not attend court because he was bitten by an animal (squirrel).
“The magistrates found in favour of the prosecution. He was prosecuted for driving without due care for other road users, costing the driver £1,690 and six points on his licence.
“He appealed the magistrates’ decision as he could not defend himself as he didn’t attend court. There was another court date set and it was escalated to Crown Court,
again I attended as a witness to show my evidence.
“The driver again did not attend court.
“The Crown Court found in favour of the prosecution and with the added Crown Court costs took the driver’s fine to £2,460 and six points on his licence.”
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56 thoughts on “Near Miss of the Day 783: aggressive close pass driver offered speed awareness course ends up with £2,460 fine and 6 points after losing two appeals”
Well done that squirrel!
Well done that squirrel!
I wonder what he was doing to
I wonder what he was doing to the squirrel to cause it to bite him?
Probably climbed a tree to
Probably climbed a tree to shout at it for some imagined offence.
In enough of a hurry to risk
In enough of a hurry to risk the life of the cyclist over 1-2 seconds, but had enough spare time to get out and argue.
If he’d have waited another second or two, he’d have had a whole free lane to move into.
And the objecting to swearing
And the objecting to swearing because of his daughter, whilst swearing.
He’s a definition of irony…
The squirrel bite is almost funny. HP, do you know anything about that?…
Yeah, doesn’t want his
Yeah, doesn’t want his daughter to be exposed to swearing but perfectly happy to spread a maimed cyclist over her side of the windscreen.
ktache wrote:
I was nowhere near there at the time of the incident and besides, the squirrel was a wild one (not one of my carefully trained ones) and he was provoking it at the time of the alleged incident and even if I was involved, no-one can prove it.
hawkinspeter wrote:
Boris is so proud of you.
Anyone thinking of Vinny
Anyone thinking of Vinny Jones’ character Big Chris in “Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels”?
BalladOfStruth wrote:
Talking of timing:
The driver was out of his car within 2 seconds of the cyclist’s first full swear word*; and that was 5 seconds after the pass itself. He’s stationary 4 seconds after the pass.
This guy was spoiling for an argument from the outset.
(* I’m not taking the first abortive expression of shock, which was interrupted by his own follow-up.)
Made my day. Thanks.
Made my day. Thanks.
Good result, but what about
Good result, but what about the assault (threat of harm from vehicle and person)?
I suspect the fine and 6
I suspect the fine and 6 points rather than 3 were because of the aggravating factors.
However it only went that
However it only went that high BECAUSE he decided to not take the offer of a course. So initially the Police were not bothered about charging him with the threats, only the stupid close pass.
MOT expired 4 months prior to
MOT expired 4 months prior to this incident – but I guess he got away with that.
I doubt the points will bother him and I expect he wont pay the fine anyway.
I hope he doesn’t pay it and
I hope he doesn’t pay it and that he endures years of fearing every knock at the door in case it’s the bailiffs.
Agree with the sentiment but
Agree with the sentiment but given his previous I don’t think he’d worry. It sounds like if bailifs turned up he’d just abuse them, get into an altercation, claim they provoked him.
Isn’t non payment of court
Isn’t non payment of court issued fines taken quite seriously by the justice system. Less bailiff, more police and incarceration?
And this one went to crown court…
A quick scan of the CAB shows
A quick scan of the CAB shows that nonpayment can result in bailiffs paying a visit. Other ways is your wages/benefits being raided. They can also place it on your credit history. If they give you a summons to explain yourself and think you are refusing to pay rather than pleading poverty they can toss you in prison.
By not turning up, he lost
By not turning up, he lost the opportunity to haggle the fine down to a fiver a month for the next 40 years. If he can’t afford an MOT surely they wouldn’t expect him to pay a fine? How unreasonable.
Well done to the magistrates
Well done to the magistrates for issuing a realistic fine, and for the judge in the crown court too.
This hard-working family man should be shown some magnanimity by readers here, and we should start a whip round to help pay his fine. It is clear that he was in such a hurry to get his daughter to her elocution lessons that he didn’t have time to stop and argue with a sweary cyclist, who might undo all her tutor’s good work.
Round of applause for the squirrel. Could HP ensure that the next one is rabid please?
eburtthebike wrote:
Sorry, squirrels don’t carry rabies. You need someone like (na na na na na na na) batman.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Not all heroes wear capes.
What you’ve got here is the
What you’ve got here is the sort of person who comments when Road.cc posts these things on FB – an absolute refusal to accept that close pass motorists are in the wrong. Hence it going to the Magistates and then the Crown Court.
It demonstrates that educating these drivers isn’t the solution. Just prosecute, fine, points, eventual ban. Doesn’t matter whether the message gets through when they’re off the road. They can whine to their idiot like minded mates down the pub.
Quite right, those people are
Quite right, those people are the motorist equivalent of filltre bubble hermits. Absolutely impenetrable to any information, devoid of empathy for fellow road users.
I’m curious if he’ll learn
I’m curious if he’ll learn from this experience or start whining that cyclists are a menace, rather than accepting that his driving is the problem. As other have pointed out, it’s ironic that he criticises the rider for swearing and then follows up with more.
There are going to be four
There are going to be four possible responses to something like this:
I do wonder what proportion of drivers that get caught fit into what categories. I suspect a large number fall into the last two…
I don’t follow it now, but it
I don’t follow it now, but it was quite instructional reading Pepipoo forum posts for drivers who were seeking help as they’d just been caught speeding again when they had 9 points on their licence. The general sentiment was it was entirely unreasonable to expect a driver to stick to the speed limits even when people gently pointed out that avoiding a potential ban was entirely within their own control.
As a reformed speeder myself, it really makes very little difference to journey times on a typical journey whether you drive like James Bond or Jasper Carrott’s mother-in-law.
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Oh, you must be related to Ashley.
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Don’t fucking shout at me
Don’t fucking shout at me like that, I’ve got me fucking daughter in the car and now I’m setting her the example that you should not only drive like a prick but look for a fight the second anyone challenges you. What an absolute spanner.
Rendel Harris wrote:
naaaa , spanners are useful things. He is about as much good as a septic tonsil.
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Yup. Spanner is as spanner does!
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Once I set the driving aside
Once I set the driving aside that quite made my day.
Is he related to Ashley? Would have got away with it if he’d given a friendly toot.
Edit: And it’s cheered me up even more now I’ve thought about his insurance premium and petrol costs.
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Yes, yes, I see now – this guy is JUST like Ashley.
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And you, Sir, are William Shakespeare.
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I claim my £5 prize.
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It’s either him or Jason
It’s either him or Jason Statham.
IanMSpencer wrote:
The silhouette on the right, though… He doesn’t want anyone to find out about this in case it costs him his teaching job*
*Michael Berryman, Weird Science (1985)
Did the cyclist only upload
Did the cyclist only upload footage from a single camera? (You know where I’m going with that!).
“I’ve got me daughter on the
“I’ve got me daughter on the car”…
All the more reason to drive more carefully – so she doesn’t have to witness you killing somebody.
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Or the swearing.
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Poor daughter to have a dad like that.
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belugabob wrote:
“I’ve got my f***ing daughter in the car”, to be precise (allowing for *** within the tolerance of precision).
I wonder if “f***cking daughter” is his way of differentiation. Perhaps he has another one just for looks, bit like Donald Trump.
[I’ve had my libel lawyers look at this, and they said something about arkell v pressdram]
And the cyclist actually said
And the cyclist actually said “What the fuuuu OIIIIII” which caused the initial braking. So didn’t actually fully swear before the brakes were slammed on. He followed up with swearing which the daughter would only hear because hurrying driver was no longer in a hurry.
belugabob wrote:
Although apparently having your kid in the car with you counts as mitigation if you ever go to court…
Indeed, as the killer of Tony
Indeed, as the killer of Tony Slatterthwaite ably demonstrated – oddly considering the victim being a father didn’t seem to count in the weighing of punishment (not that it should). Myself, I would have subjecting a child to a horrific experience should have been an aggrevating factor, not mitigating.
That’s the one I was thinking
That’s the one I was thinking about, thanks.
The driver has shown that
The driver has shown that they are simply not fit to be behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, firstly by the fact that they appear to have breathtaking anger management issues.
Secondly by the fact that they had the audacity to appeal and miss the appeal becuase they had been bitten by a squirrel…… I suppose it’s one step up from the dog ate my homework.
Thirdly the fact that they appealed again, on the basis that they were not able to defend themselves at the first time of asking, then decided not to turn up again. Personally I think the Crown court Judge should have just doubled the penalties levied by the Magistrates court….. play stupid games and win stupid prizes and all that
As someone else posted, what
As someone else posted, what was he doing to the squirrel to be bitten by it. The only time I’ve seen a squirrel attack is on Christmas Vacation. Oh and Rick and Morty but that was only because Morty was listening in on the plans to control the world and I doubt this guys Grandpa is that clever to make a similar device.
It’s been a while but did you
It’s been a while but did you forget this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45150298
[ Has one of my favourite story lines ever – “The squirrel was taken into custody after it abruptly fell asleep.” ]
Just because it’s gone quiet it doesn’t mean the squirrels signed a truce.
chrisonatrike wrote:
A couple of clicks later I got to this, and I’m never looking at them the same again.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4489792.stm
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Seems like the start of the zombie apocalypse ought to have been a bigger story than a few canicidal squirrels.
There was a massive story
There was a massive story which was just about to break, but it was eaten by a squirrel.
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
“You f***ed with squirrels, Morty! We’ve got a good five minutes before they’re back and up on our ass, Morty! We have to pack up and move to a new reality, Morty!”
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
— AlsoSomniloquismAt the risk of stealing HP’s thunder, I just came across this on the interweb. Maybe the squirrel wasn’t sufficiently caffeinated?
I don’t recommend feeding
I don’t recommend feeding squirrels any caffeine as they’ve got plenty of energy already. Also, squirrels have no self-control so it inevitably leads to other psychoactive substances
There’s a kids’ film, ‘Over
There’s a kids’ film, ‘Over the Hedge’, and in one of the later scenes they make the squirrel drink a can of energy drink – it distorts how fast he can move and space/time and stuff and he can just wander around like the Flash with everything else apparently stationary…
There’s no way he had his
There’s no way he had his seatbelt on either the speed he jumped out of the car.
What a lovely example for his daughter.
Risk the lives of others and then threaten them.
I hope he’s on their radar now and checking up on him.
the idiot in the car clearly
the idiot in the car clearly did the close pass so as to start an argument. smack the mathafaka in the face and he will never attempt this again.