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ktache wrote:

Your Gif unfortunatly features no squirrels, and the squirrel reference in the text doesn't quite cut it.

Isn't his saddle a little bit far forward?  I think he needs a bike fitting.

I was queueing up the squirrel pic for a response, so I do apologise for disappointing you.

hawkinspeter wrote:

The fact that this news item is a news item shows how scarce knife violence is in reality. It does happen, but it seems pointless to arm yourself unless there's a specific reason you might be targetted (e.g. gambling debts, drug deals, forcing crappy Brexit deals through, squirrel smuggling etc.).

Just be prepared to defend yourself and you'll almost never have to.

 

That's a Masonic greating if ever I saw one.

Mungecrundle wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

The fact that this news item is a news item shows how scarce knife violence is in reality. It does happen, but it seems pointless to arm yourself unless there's a specific reason you might be targetted (e.g. gambling debts, drug deals, forcing crappy Brexit deals through, squirrel smuggling etc.).

Just be prepared to defend yourself and you'll almost never have to.

 

 

That's a Masonic greating if ever I saw one.

Well, one variant possibly.

I prefer to use this handshake to identify myself:

Mungecrundle wrote:

You would only take a weapon if you were expecting trouble. People who expect trouble usually have no problem in finding it.

As it happens you hear often on forums about arming up and to take a D-Lock or a chain so that one can smash it through the windscreen/against a person, are these wrong uns just going out to look for trouble?

And your comment ignores what I said, on another occasion the outcome could be very different, particularly in areas where knife and gun crime are prevalent. Would it be common place, of course not, but that's the thing, can you absolutely be sure what any one person is capable of, how they might react in a scenario as per the video?

Can you tell by looking at someone who is going to be violent in a confrontation, who might be carrying a d-lock and smash it in your face and beat you to within an inch of your life, or a knife/gun/solid bar and do you serious harm? Is it that hoodie wanka on a BMX or is that just a kid going to see his mates. Is it that tattoo adorned emo looking person on a fixie, maybe that white middle aged man with a helmet and carbon bike who actually turns out to be a bit of a pscho and will punch you so hard his victim dies? That will be the Paul Lambeth case if you want to look it up.

That criminals and wrong uns do use bikes is a twisted confirmation that cycles really are the transport machine of the masses and for all types of scenarios. IF they whilst using a bike to get wherever they are going to are carrying a weapon and someone they do not know takes umbridge at them being in their way/riding like a prick/doing something else that has pricked their driverwanka, a likely scenario isn't one of a chase but one of driver gets out, driver gets threatened with knife/gun. depending on said youths state of mind that could end really badly for them.

In cases like this where the assailent is hell bent on assaulting the victim you find yourself wishing that the assailent does get the rough end of it.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Mungecrundle wrote:

You would only take a weapon if you were expecting trouble. People who expect trouble usually have no problem in finding it.

As it happens you hear often on forums about arming up and to take a D-Lock or a chain so that one can smash it through the windscreen/against a person, are these wrong uns just going out to look for trouble?

And your comment ignores what I said, on another occasion the outcome could be very different, particularly in areas where knife and gun crime are prevalent. Would it be common place, of course not, but that's the thing, can you absolutely be sure what any one person is capable of, how they might react in a scenario as per the video?

Can you tell by looking at someone who is going to be violent in a confrontation, who might be carrying a d-lock and smash it in your face and beat you to within an inch of your life, or a knife/gun/solid bar and do you serious harm? Is it that hoodie wanka on a BMX or is that just a kid going to see his mates. Is it that tattoo adorned emo looking person on a fixie, maybe that white middle aged man with a helmet and carbon bike who actually turns out to be a bit of a pscho and will punch you so hard his victim dies? That will be the Paul Lambeth case if you want to look it up.

That criminals and wrong uns do use bikes is a twisted confirmation that cycles really are the transport machine of the masses and for all types of scenarios. IF they whilst using a bike to get wherever they are going to are carrying a weapon and someone they do not know takes umbridge at them being in their way/riding like a prick/doing something else that has pricked their driverwanka, a likely scenario isn't one of a chase but one of driver gets out, driver gets threatened with knife/gun. depending on said youths state of mind that could end really badly for them.

In cases like this where the assailent is hell bent on assaulting the victim you find yourself wishing that the assailent does get the rough end of it.

Not sure I have any particular disagreement with your straw man argument. Just saying that people who prepare for trouble, at least to the extent of arming themselves, are either actively looking for an excuse or on something of a hair trigger to retaliate, maybe due to previous experiences or for whatever reason.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

In another scenario the driver gets stabbed/shot, would be no fucking great loss either.

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

In another scenario the driver gets stabbed/shot, would be no fucking great loss either.

as seen very recently some people are taking weapons with them, in places like London, Manchester/NirthWest, Glasgow, West Yorks, all places that have high rates of weapon carrying. As I said, another scenario is one where the assailant gets a deadly weapon used against them. You never know in these times particularly in certain areas where it would be more prevalent for young men to be tooled up.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

In another scenario the driver gets stabbed/shot, would be no fucking great loss either.

as seen very recently some people are taking weapons with them, in places like London, Manchester/NirthWest, Glasgow, West Yorks, all places that have high rates of weapon carrying. As I said, another scenario is one where the assailant gets a deadly weapon used against them. You never know in these times particularly in certain areas where it would be more prevalent for young men to be tooled up.

Guns for cyclists? Just for defence like.

cdamian wrote:

This one is pretty insane:

Cycliq Fly6 - Roadrage in Scotland

https://youtu.be/Gu8FrGslJMU

I’ve had similar to that in the past. No point trying to argue the toss with a nutter.

Hope the cyclist was ok and some action was taken against the driver.

Scoob_84 wrote:

Cracking legs to the person in the top pick wearing a black jacket and the green brompton.  

Didn't notice - too busy looking at the well developed glutes on the left..

StraelGuy wrote:

Good point Pete. I believe Hawkinspeter has an entire underground bunker with years of food and supplies and an army of thousands of highly trained anti-zombie special forces squirrels ready to take on the hoards of the undead.

What, just one?

brooksby wrote:

And, and, why is it called a zombie knife anyway?  Last time I checked, there was no such thing as zombies IRL... 

Clearly you're not prepared for the zombie apocalypse, foolish man! I have a full detailed escape and survival plan.

peted76 wrote:

brooksby wrote:

And, and, why is it called a zombie knife anyway?  Last time I checked, there was no such thing as zombies IRL... 

Clearly you're not prepared for the zombie apocalypse, foolish man! I have a full detailed escape and survival plan.

Worryingly - I don't know if you're yanking my chain... 

brooksby wrote:

Quote:

his defence claimed his vulnerability led him to carry the knife for protection.

Even if he hadn't been carring a big-a$$ knife, it seemed like a clear-cut case for assault, I'm afraid.  Carrying the knife?  Not sure how this was a suspended sentence.

And, the media is calling him a cyclist.  That's like saying a bank robber was a motorist or a pedestrian and, you know what, they don't do that.

And, and, why is it called a zombie knife anyway?  Last time I checked, there was no such thing as zombies IRL... 

He was kidnapped by people who in all likelyhood would do it again, so I can see why he might turn to carrying a knife for protection. I am not saying in any way shape or form that it is right, but I can see the logic.

In the video it looks like the car in question pulls out without indicating and knock the guy off the bike and crashes into a car in trying to get away (hit and run).

It is after he has been assaulted by a weapon (the car) that he retaliates with the knife that he is now carrying around with him for protection.

Given this series of events I can see how mitigating factors can be a factor in the sentencing.

If I had just been knocked of my bike by a car I would be pretty mad too!

ClubSmed wrote:

brooksby wrote:

Quote:

his defence claimed his vulnerability led him to carry the knife for protection.

Even if he hadn't been carring a big-a$$ knife, it seemed like a clear-cut case for assault, I'm afraid.  Carrying the knife?  Not sure how this was a suspended sentence.

And, the media is calling him a cyclist.  That's like saying a bank robber was a motorist or a pedestrian and, you know what, they don't do that.

And, and, why is it called a zombie knife anyway?  Last time I checked, there was no such thing as zombies IRL... 

He was kidnapped by people who in all likelyhood would do it again, so I can see why he might turn to carrying a knife for protection. I am not saying in any way shape or form that it is right, but I can see the logic.

In the video it looks like the car in question pulls out without indicating and knock the guy off the bike and crashes into a car in trying to get away (hit and run).

It is after he has been assaulted by a weapon (the car) that he retaliates with the knife that he is now carrying around with him for protection.

Given this series of events I can see how mitigating factors can be a factor in the sentencing.

If I had just been knocked of my bike by a car I would be pretty mad too!

This was no road rage attack. If you watch the vid, the bike pulls up alongside the car *before* the car pulls out. Reckon the bike rider and driver knew each other. The erratic driving says to me the driver knew he was in trouble before the knife gets pulled out.