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@kinderje Are you aware that -ise endings are actually the newer form, having supplanted -ize (as used by Shakespeare, the King James Bible and Jane Austen, amongst many others) in the mid 19th century? Etymologically there is a far better argument for -ize endings for words with Greek and Latin roots than the -ise ending which arose from Victorian publishers imitating French verb endings. Both endings are now regarded as acceptable in British English, although the Oxford style guide recommends -ize. It is most certainly not incorrect.
@Backladder Given that the makers are selling it as being useable on any ride on open roads, it doesn't seem unreasonable to try to test it in those conditions.
'Leasting'? That's a whole 4 letters less.
Although usually the easiest thing of all would be for them just to stop for a few moments while you cycle past them (which requires a lot less space to do safely than them passing you), but most people seem allergic to stopping, even for the briefest time.
@Backladder Oh I think I can guess - the nearest indoor velodrome to road.cc HQ looks to be some distance away in Wales, whereas Odd Down Cycle Track (where this test was conducted) is just 2 miles away.
There are a number of causes of "the divide between motorists and cyclists". Only one is to do with the technology (of bicycles and cars) and that's the nature of the car, which is designed to induce the sort of dangerous and careless behaviours that providing humans with a lot of power and glamour fetches out of us. Other causes are much more insidious - A culture of hyper-individualism bordering on solipsism, with violently ultra-selfish and aggressive anti-heroes being promoted in every mass media channel as the ideal. A "news" media that overwhelmingly seeks, creates and offers pariahs and scapegoats to the rabid individualists, which pariahs and scapegoats includes all kinds of those perceived as less powerful and therefore easy victims, including cyclists. The near complete lack of any curb upon the dangerous antics of vast numbers of media-maddened motorists by the forces of law and order, many of whom are actually members themselves of the mass media maddened motorist ilk. ******** No amount of a more rational discourse about active travel or the means of making it safer will change these root causes of the vast numbers of deaths and maiming due to inept, incompetent and deliberately violent antics of vast numbers of motorists allowed their dangerous "weapons of choice". Yet many other highly damaging aspects of modern societies would be solved by a much more effective curbing of mass media mob-building and goading along with a serious attempt to prevent motorists and a whole range of other damagers from behaving as badly as so many do. It'll not happen, of course. Large and powerful elements of the modern world obtain far too much ultra-riches and power from current conditions for them to allow any significant change. And vast numbers of the population have long had their minds, attitudes and behaviours captured and directed by various oligarchical monsters and their mass media propaganda horns. About the only chance of safe active travel becoming extant is for the population at large to become mostly too poor to afford a car, ironically one other likely outcome of the machinations of those same power and money-mad monsters that have created the car-issue in the first place. Their need for zero-sum socio-economic arrangements degrades everything, including the wallet-contents of the masses.
@Astralstroll The hierarchy of road users does not mean priority of road users except in certain circumstances, e.g. stopping to let pedestrians cross junctions before turning. It doesn't mean that cyclists have priority over motor vehicles at all times any more than the pedestrians have priority over cyclists at all times. It certainly doesn't mean that you have priority in the circumstances you describe; personally, unless the driver is being a complete dick, on a narrow country lane I accept that it is easier for me to turn around and go back to the nearest passing place, which is never that far if you're on a bike, than for a tractor or other large vehicle to reverse back down the road for my benefit.
If you were spending that much money on the device the obvious thing to do is to book a couple of hours in a velodrome for testing in a stable environment, I can't understand why Road.cc tried to do it outdoors.
@Astralstroll The Hierarchy of Road Users, announced with great fanfares in 2022, has been rendered into complete fiction by the attitude of the police: there is this hierarchy/ priority list but we don't take it seriously and if drivers ignore it we don't care! The same applies to the ludicrous notice of close-passing - No KSI'd cyclist = No Offence ttps://upride.cc/incident/lwa190_minicooper_hierarchy/
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Even if he hadn’t been carring a big-a$$ knife, it seemed like a clear-cut case for assault, I’m afraid. Carrying the knife? Not sure how this was a suspended sentence.
And, the media is calling him a cyclist. That’s like saying a bank robber was a motorist or a pedestrian and, you know what, they don’t do that.
And, and, why is it called a zombie knife anyway? Last time I checked, there was no such thing as zombies IRL…
brooksby wrote:
Clearly you’re not prepared for the zombie apocalypse, foolish man! I have a full detailed escape and survival plan.
peted76 wrote:
Worryingly – I don’t know if you’re yanking my chain…
brooksby wrote:
He was kidnapped by people who in all likelyhood would do it again, so I can see why he might turn to carrying a knife for protection. I am not saying in any way shape or form that it is right, but I can see the logic.
In the video it looks like the car in question pulls out without indicating and knock the guy off the bike and crashes into a car in trying to get away (hit and run).
It is after he has been assaulted by a weapon (the car) that he retaliates with the knife that he is now carrying around with him for protection.
Given this series of events I can see how mitigating factors can be a factor in the sentencing.
If I had just been knocked of my bike by a car I would be pretty mad too!
ClubSmed wrote:
This was no road rage attack. If you watch the vid, the bike pulls up alongside the car *before* the car pulls out. Reckon the bike rider and driver knew each other. The erratic driving says to me the driver knew he was in trouble before the knife gets pulled out.
Good point Pete. I believe
Good point Pete. I believe Hawkinspeter has an entire underground bunker with years of food and supplies and an army of thousands of highly trained anti-zombie special forces squirrels ready to take on the hoards of the undead.
StraelGuy wrote:
What, just one?
Cracking legs to the person
Cracking legs to the person in the top pick wearing a black jacket and the green brompton.
Scoob_84 wrote:
Didn’t notice – too busy looking at the well developed glutes on the left..
This one is pretty insane:
This one is pretty insane:
Cycliq Fly6 – Roadrage in Scotland
cdamian wrote:
I’ve had similar to that in the past. No point trying to argue the toss with a nutter.
Hope the cyclist was ok and some action was taken against the driver.
In another scenario the
In another scenario the driver gets stabbed/shot, would be no fucking great loss either.
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
Yorkshire wallet wrote:
as seen very recently some people are taking weapons with them, in places like London, Manchester/NirthWest, Glasgow, West Yorks, all places that have high rates of weapon carrying. As I said, another scenario is one where the assailant gets a deadly weapon used against them. You never know in these times particularly in certain areas where it would be more prevalent for young men to be tooled up.
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
— Yorkshire wallet as seen very recently some people are taking weapons with them, in places like London, Manchester/NirthWest, Glasgow, West Yorks, all places that have high rates of weapon carrying. As I said, another scenario is one where the assailant gets a deadly weapon used against them. You never know in these times particularly in certain areas where it would be more prevalent for young men to be tooled up.— BehindTheBikesheds
Guns for cyclists? Just for defence like.
You would only take a weapon
You would only take a weapon if you were expecting trouble. People who expect trouble usually have no problem in finding it.
Mungecrundle wrote:
As it happens you hear often on forums about arming up and to take a D-Lock or a chain so that one can smash it through the windscreen/against a person, are these wrong uns just going out to look for trouble?
And your comment ignores what I said, on another occasion the outcome could be very different, particularly in areas where knife and gun crime are prevalent. Would it be common place, of course not, but that’s the thing, can you absolutely be sure what any one person is capable of, how they might react in a scenario as per the video?
Can you tell by looking at someone who is going to be violent in a confrontation, who might be carrying a d-lock and smash it in your face and beat you to within an inch of your life, or a knife/gun/solid bar and do you serious harm? Is it that hoodie wanka on a BMX or is that just a kid going to see his mates. Is it that tattoo adorned emo looking person on a fixie, maybe that white middle aged man with a helmet and carbon bike who actually turns out to be a bit of a pscho and will punch you so hard his victim dies? That will be the Paul Lambeth case if you want to look it up.
That criminals and wrong uns do use bikes is a twisted confirmation that cycles really are the transport machine of the masses and for all types of scenarios. IF they whilst using a bike to get wherever they are going to are carrying a weapon and someone they do not know takes umbridge at them being in their way/riding like a prick/doing something else that has pricked their driverwanka, a likely scenario isn’t one of a chase but one of driver gets out, driver gets threatened with knife/gun. depending on said youths state of mind that could end really badly for them.
In cases like this where the assailent is hell bent on assaulting the victim you find yourself wishing that the assailent does get the rough end of it.
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
Not sure I have any particular disagreement with your straw man argument. Just saying that people who prepare for trouble, at least to the extent of arming themselves, are either actively looking for an excuse or on something of a hair trigger to retaliate, maybe due to previous experiences or for whatever reason.
The fact that this news item
The fact that this news item is a news item shows how scarce knife violence is in reality. It does happen, but it seems pointless to arm yourself unless there’s a specific reason you might be targetted (e.g. gambling debts, drug deals, forcing crappy Brexit deals through, squirrel smuggling etc.).
Just be prepared to defend yourself and you’ll almost never have to.
hawkinspeter wrote:
That’s a Masonic greating if ever I saw one.
Mungecrundle wrote:
Well, one variant possibly.
I prefer to use this handshake to identify myself:
Your Gif unfortunatly
Your Gif unfortunatly features no squirrels, and the squirrel reference in the text doesn’t quite cut it.
Isn’t his saddle a little bit far forward? I think he needs a bike fitting.
ktache wrote:
I was queueing up the squirrel pic for a response, so I do apologise for disappointing you.
Ooooh! Proper Top Gear’s back
Ooooh! Proper Top Gear’s back.