Ruta Del Sol - Stage 3

tony kappler wrote:

I draw your attention to the following two stages, listed as "summit finish";
Tour of Poland 2013 stage 2; KOM 2.5km before finish
Vuelta 2014; KOM 700 met before finish

In both cases KOM points were scored in the road.cc game. So it seems to me that if the KOM is before the finish line it should be scored as it has been in the past.

In the Ruta del Sol stage 3, the difference in results for players is small, so this is a good case to study. I believe it is important that the rules be clear so that players can make considered decisions and that "heated" debate can be reduced.

So is it possible that Dave can make a ruling here for all competitions; either 1/. that if a KOM is not at the finish, it is scored. or 2/. Any KOM closer than x metres from the finish is not scored; and define "x".

Either decision is fine with me. The decision will refine a great game.

Like I say I need to re-update that stage anyway. For now I will leave them out and have a word with Dave, and I see your points about the past, however 2.5km from the finish is certainly a much bigger difference than 100m from the finish and id say 700m is still a significant difference from the finish compared to 100m

tony kappler wrote:

... In my opinion if the race organisers go to the trouble of separating finish line and KOM line, then the KOM should score game points.

I agree... I mean, I think it's a technicality... I don't think it takes too much effort to input those numbers in the scoring and what difference should it make to the game if Road.cc classifies the stage as a 'summit finish'? I think it's main 'value' would be as a stage classifier for slotting a rider's points as 'High Mountain' or 'Summit Finish' points for the game internal valuation and information-providing and rider-rating and 'classification' system, but I don't think these points should be withheld arbitrarily for this purpose... As a 'go to rule', I'd say if the organizers put them in, count them... Who started the practice of ignoring these?... Was there any particular reason?...

enrique wrote:

tony kappler wrote:

... In my opinion if the race organisers go to the trouble of separating finish line and KOM line, then the KOM should score game points.

I agree...

I'm agreeing on this too.

ibaldwin1993 wrote:

enrique wrote:

tony kappler wrote:

... In my opinion if the race organisers go to the trouble of separating finish line and KOM line, then the KOM should score game points.

I agree...

I'm agreeing on this too.

Sorry, forgot to reply, the points did get scored, and will be scored in the future if they are not the actual finish

Great to hear

tony kappler wrote:

It appears to me that you haven't counted all the intermediate sprints and KOM points in stg 3, Ruta del Sol. Note that the last KOM point was 100 met before finish line, so should receive points 6 down to 1.

correct, no sprint or mountain points were awarded for stage 3 as the full results were unavailable last night and will be updated in due course

As regards our game, both stage 3 and 4 were both regarded as summit finishes, so neither stage 3 or 4 where points were allocated from 1st to 6th crossing that point in the race will be awarded in the game

chiv30 wrote:

..sometimes I miss those 10 point penalties...

Me too...