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Ripper wrote:I think I’d
I think I’d rather do the shifting myself.Well don’t buy one then – not that you can’t do the shifting yourself with this when you want anyway…
I don’t really want an algorithm telling me what gear I should be in.Well then you’re not the target market then..
Also, I hope it’s banned from racing.I’d hope so too, even though it’s hardly suitable for a quite a chunk of road-racing – but I can see things like sequential shifting coming in.
The article says, “helping you to avoid situations where you’re out of optimum because you’re too tired/lazy/distracted/whatever to shift the bike to a more appropriate gear,” which proves beyond reason that it’s for idiots, the lazy and the unfit...and maybe for people in training especially, as mentioned, for recovery rides ? How about something similar for people who don’t want to arse around with gears, e.g. older/younger new-comers, some commuters – quite a lot of mums I know for a start… and anyway, anything wrong with helping people who aren’t currently ‘fit’ enough (by your standards) to start cycling ?
That said, it’s not for me either, I don’t think, but that’s not to say it doesn’t have some benefits for some. Cheer up for Lords sake….
bikeboy76 wrote:One layer, as
One layer, as light as shorts, as long as tights, padded, if such a thing exists.Al_S has already given you links to exactly this – was there something wrong with them ?
20thebear wrote:Any reason I
Any reason I can’t find Dan Martin when I list “All riders” in the filters?At the dentist ?
jamtartman wrote:I run 105
I run 105 (except for my crank) and I swap out the cassette from time to time for different ratios, and one of the cassettes is Ultegra. Ignoring the difference in ratios, the Ultegra cassette feels much better. Gear changes are sweeter, and somehow the feel through the drive train is better – more direct. It makes me want to change the rest of the drivetrain to ultegra.Is the Ultegra a closer ratio cassette ?
I swapped from Tiagra 4600
I swapped from Tiagra 4600 (10-speed) to Ultegra 6800 early in the year and the difference is very noticeable – in particular the front shifting and brakes. However I got the groupset for an absolute song and if i’d had to pay retail for it, i’m not sure i’d have done so.If 105 5800 had been around at the time and I had to pay retail (especially at the 300-odd quid that Merlin keep getting them in for) i’d have gone for 105 over Ultegra every single time (Just my feeling obviously). Most of the major mechanical changes seem to have trickled down from 6800 to 5800 so I wouldn have thought you’d be getting a fair chunk of the benefits. Personally i’d go with the others and say spend the cash on wheels if you have it spare – perhaps a nice pair of hand-builts.
mike the bike wrote:
So what
So what the OP meant to say is that there are minor differences between the two groupsets.No I didn’t mean that at all, there are considerable differences in some parts of the groupset (I didn’t even mention the brakes, they’re a really big improvement) – please read my clarification just above your post – but as I said, ‘massive’ was probably over-stating things in general. Going back now and looking at some reviews in the press, it would seem that my view of the groups performance not without some justification however.
Now, given the very significant price difference, there’s a surprise!Personaly I got the set, brand new, for little more than a new Tiagra set would have cost, even with discount from the usual suspects – so i’m a happy bunny (but obviously an edge case). At twice the price, which seems about par for the course, i’m fairly sure i’d not have justified the expense.
oozaveared wrote:fukawitribe
Having moved recently from Tiagra to Ultegra 6800 i’d have to disagree – the difference in shifting is massive – but I think you’re right about the wheels making more of a difference.
Having been riding, buying and working on race bikes since 1973 I have to say that a lot of the perceived difference is pretty minor and at times so minor as to be difficult to detect. Mechanically there’s not much difference. What’s the point of Shimano or anyone else making a bad product that no-one buys. What they want to do is sell very similar products to different market segments. The very top end of anything is going to be brilliant but for most people riding bikes you can take your pick of what you thinks look good on your bike or suits your budget and it will all work just fine.
I didn’t say that Tiagra wasn’t good, I said the difference I noticed on both setups was massive – which is perhaps a slight overstatement, let me clarify a tad…
The difference was very noticeable, even when both were new and dailed in. The difference to the lever action was pretty massive on the front and much crisper on the rear. Of course taking the rear mech and manually moving across the cassettes on both shows very good and precise movement – the combination of front and rear mechs running through the relevant shifters simply gave much better feeling shifting with much lighter and shallower action on the Ultegra than the Tiagra. I’m sorry if that doesn’t fit in with your experience.
[quote=oozaveared]I have a friend who’s very prone to telling anyone that will listen why exactly it is that the lates bit of kit he bought is absolutely the dog’s bollocks and so much better than anything else on the market.
He’s suffering from a well known condition Buyers Stockholm Syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization%5B/quote%5D
I’m not your friend, nor suffering from some form of rationalization issue. I’m not prone to going on about any particular bit of tat i’ve got either and started riding bikes not that long before you. I got the groupset for a cracking price and wasn’t expecting any particular type of behaviour – that it performed well pleases me and was relevant to the discussion as I had comparison with both group sets from new.. beyond that I don’t give a rats arse about it.
To be honest, it doesn’t particularly matter to me if folk say the two are the same, and that I can’t notice the difference – they’re not and I did. It’s not the end of the world, it’s not a big difference in terms of the overall performance of the bike and I still agree the wheels would probably be a better place to spend the cash. On some of that we can agree to disagree but please – less of the cheap shots and psychology.
pants wrote:If your groupset
If your groupset is looked after it should shift as well as most other groupsets, the main difference is just weight. Like others have said it, upgrade your wheels and you might actually be able to feel the difference.Having moved recently from Tiagra to Ultegra 6800 i’d have to disagree – the difference in shifting is massive – but I think you’re right about the wheels making more of a difference.
The Mio Cyclo 305/315/505/515
The Mio Cyclo 305/315/505/515 units might be worth a look too – good reviews, navigation seems a strong point and prices are favourable compared to Garmin.http://road.cc/content/review/116620-mio-cyclo-505-hc-gps-computer
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/gadgets/gps-devices/product/review-magellan-cyclo505hc-48539/
The Mio Cyclo 305/315/505/515
The Mio Cyclo 305/315/505/515 units might be worth a look too – good reviews, navigation seems a strong point and prices are favourable compared to Garmin.http://road.cc/content/review/116620-mio-cyclo-505-hc-gps-computer
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/gadgets/gps-devices/product/review-magellan-cyclo505hc-48539/
The Domane 2 series are very
The Domane 2 series are very good on ‘normal’ rough roads. The back-end really is excellent and makes a big difference whilst the front pretty good, but feels relatively less so due to comparison with the back – in reality it’s a decent unit by any standard. For an aluminium frame, the ride is very, very good.That said, I agree with the others that tyres make a huge difference, and IMO the Domane frame should take at least 28mm tyres – i’ve had Open Pave 25mm on Bontrager 23mm rims on one, where they measure 27mm wall-to-wall, and there seems to be a fair bit of room left.
I’d have thought that your ‘average’ CX frame would be a good deal stiffer, doubtful anything like as compliant at the back, but you could go up significantly on the tyre size over the Domane (or any of the road bikes) – at that point it’s more a balance of comfort vs. tyre weight and ride.. 33-35mm tyres could give you a sublime ride over the chatter, whilst something like the Domanes IsoSpeed (or the VCLS seatpost from what i’ve heard) will give you excellent isolation from the larger knocks.
A CX bike also gives you the option of a bit more fun off-road should you want to play around with different tyre types but i’d also recommend the Domane highly.
daddyELVIS wrote:Obviously
Obviously didn’t follow the race then?! Typical newbie Sky fan.Come on, don’t go down to the same level – whilst it’s clear the OP is somewhat skewed in outlook and it’s hard to believe they watched the same race, this isn’t peculiar to supporters of Sky or any other given team / individual…
BTW, the final TT was a joke, and of course Froome gained time back as Contador soft pedalled around it.Indeed.
ldb30 wrote:CXR94Di2
It’s worthwhile if you struggle with the 30t getting up hills in your area. For the 11t , how fast do you want to go? I can hit 55 mph without even pedalling on steep hills!
Well,it would be nice to go just a bit faster down hills,like my triple trek?,and i know its less than 10% difference in real terms,but im chasing 1st spot on Strava,and am currently 3rd out of 471!. More importantly ive joined a new cycle club tonight,who have pushed me hard,maybe i just need to concentrate on fitness more??!!…….. :”(Let me get this straight – you spec your cassette so you can do 90+ km/h to grab a downhill Strava segment ?
Each to their own 🙂
Mods – if these posts are for
Mods – if these posts are for real, any chance you can pass on the gentlemans details to someone ? If they’re not – can you shut the fuck up please Stanley ?Ithankyouverymuch.
..or because Stanley can’t
..or because Stanley can’t remember where he got it from ? (or how to spell it).