The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    chrisonabike

    Hirsute wrote:

    Hirsute wrote:
    I’m not an economist to know how accurate this is but going to the gold standard seems bonkers when we have no gold supply.

    Looks like a lot of folks who might favour Reform in the comments…

    The force for populism / “all governments are corrupt – we just need to get (insert demagogue here) to run the place and that will fix things” *seems* significant nowadays even in UK.  (No idea how significant exactly, nor about if this is indeed a new thing under the sun or just a point where this comes into focus…)

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    Hirsute

    I’m not an economist to know
    I’m not an economist to know how accurate this is but going to the gold standard seems bonkers when we have no gold supply.

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    David9694

    A couple of call-outs from

    A couple of call-outs from the Guardian piece:

    In a statement seen by the Guardian, they said they could not continue “in good conscience” under the leadership of Farage, adding: “We believe that the current party management is either incompetent or malevolent, and we have lost all confidence in the leadership and its structures.”

    Farage on Thursday claimed the resignations were from an “out-of-control branch” and involved a number of councillors who had failed Reform UK vetting.

    You couldn’t make it up, that and Musk’s new position on Farage. That’s the great thing about this lot, they don’t form or maintain any sort of relationship, or stand for any particular cause, so things are turned on their head (and back again) in the space of a day. 

    I’m clinging to the belief that Reform are getting all this TV air time to show up what grifters they are.  

    I’ve  seen more of the view that Trump will spend a lot of time out to grass on the golf course and that this term will essentially be the Vance show. Let’s not fall for the same rather wishful thinking as with Putin through 2022 – he’s ill, he’ll be deposed. 

    Just a few days to go now to the inauguration, and I don’t think we’re much wiser as to the directions this wild ride is going to take. 

    The US has been a cornerstone of the post-1945 world order, and I just don’t think anyone is prepared for that to break apart – that’s even if you believe that Greenland, Mexico, Panama and Canada are dead cats and are all hot air. 

    The United States was founded with some high-ish renaissance ideals (just be an educated, preferably Christian white man in good health and all will be well) to set it apart from the old nations dominated by religion, a class system – with a democratic system of government at its core. The proroguing of Parliament here and the Cummings/ Johnston rhetoric generally bothered me a fair bit, but eventually we had last year’s election – I just wonder where we’ll be in 3 years as the run-up to the next US election should be starting. 

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    chrisonabike

    Current Private Eye cover for

    Current Private Eye cover for the win…

    https://cdn.road.cc/wp-content/uploads/roadcc/elon-nigel.jpg

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    Hirsute

    A dozen Reform UK councillors

    A dozen Reform UK councillors have given notice of their intention to resign en masse in protest at Nigel Farage’s leadership.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/reform-uk-councillors-to-resign-over-nigel-farage-leadership?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Apparently they only jsut twigged they would get nothing of the $100M !

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    Hirsute

    From a senior Guardian

    From a senior Guardian journalist

    More ructions in Reform-land. Howard Cox, the party’s former candidate for London mayor (and for Dover & Deal in July) has quit the party. He says he will detail the reasons soon – but the fact Cox has called on Farage to politically embrace Tommy Robinson might give you a clue.

    https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:fondzonhxhlrfp777gwvfmah/bafkreielgyffaszxrbdvcqqa3adrkvksdclm7rbyyby477orygvo7pqaga@jpeg

    More ructions in Reform-land. Howard Cox, the party's former candidate for London mayor (and for Dover & Deal in July) has quit the party. He says he will detail the reasons soon – but the fact Cox has called on Farage to politically embrace Tommy Robinson might give you a clue.

    Peter Walker (@peterwalker99.bsky.social) 2025-01-08T17:42:45.877Z

    yes, poor political prisoner TYL

    If you were unsure about Cox, then you should be very sure now

     

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    hawkinspeter
    brooksby wrote:
    “The Bible is broken” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYMrVWlrXNM

    我的媽和她的瘋狂的外甥都 ・ Wuh duh ma huh tah duh fong kwong duh wai shung

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    brooksby
    hawkinspeter wrote:
     

    That’s where I find the bible to be flawed – it’s so inconsistent)

    “The Bible is broken” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYMrVWlrXNM

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    hawkinspeter
    chrisonabike wrote:
    If you can’t take something as basic and logical as a text’s self-declaration of infallibility (or at least divine guidance / inspiration) as gospel – as it were – I’m not sure how you’re going to get started

    EDIT: thinking again, perhaps if you just take all such texts and compare them, throwing out the disagreements, perhaps it would be possible to arrive at a general consensus?  Douglas Adams had a go I think

    I prefer the mathematical approach which is not whether something is necessarily true in itself, but whether it is self-consistent and leads to interesting or useful conclusions. I particularly like the Banach-Tarski paradox as an example of an absurd result despite it being true and following on from the axioms:

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-a-mathematical-paradox-allows-infinite-cloning-20210826/

    (That’s where I find the bible to be flawed – it’s so inconsistent)

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    chrisonabike

    If you can’t take something

    If you can’t take something as basic and logical as a text’s self-declaration of infallibility (or at least divine guidance / inspiration) as gospel – as it were – I’m not sure how you’re going to get started

    EDIT: thinking again, perhaps if you just take all such texts and compare them, throwing out the disagreements, perhaps it would be possible to arrive at a general consensus?  Douglas Adams had a go I think

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    hawkinspeter
    chrisonabike wrote:
    Opinions vary but to my unscholarly reading it does seem that the voice of God deferred to contemporary Hebrew mainstream opinion in those days (or possibly took agin’ some practices which were associated with the cults of neighbouring tribes or polities).

    You seem to be leaving out some yourself: it wouldn’t hurt you to eat kosher once in a while, or keep the odd fast.  Oh – and if you could avoid mixing fibres in your garments that would be peachy.

    Well yes, but I’m not convinced that the various bibles/religious texts are the literal word of God. Also, the list could do with being optimised: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk81tUUhRig

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    wtjs

    With all that money, he could

    With all that money, he could wipe out hunger/homelessness/diseases  buy a pair of KOM hubs

    Anybody got one? -especially interested in the rear

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    hawkinspeter
    chrisonabike wrote:
    Free speech innit?  And surely smart and industrious people should benefit from their labours?  Or are you some kind of commie who wants to requisition all the stored nuts for the collective drey?  That will just drag everyone down down to a subsistence level while rewarding a small cadre of squirrels who devote their time to getting ahead in the committees and keeping everyone else fighting.

    We know how that ends – increasingly cynical and apathetic squirrels, growing corruption, worsening leaders, until the system falls apart.  And then the capitalists will pick the bones clean anyway!

    Smart and industrious? Sounds like you’re a believer in meritocracies, but I think we’re in more of a hereditary aristocracy.

    I pity the poor squirrels that have to hunt for acorns in trees that “belong” to the squirrel lords and pay their tithe of tasty treats over to them

    https://cdn.road.cc/wp-content/uploads/roadcc/generative-ai-image-squirrel-king-sitting-throne-wearing-royal-clothing_467541-2237-2017680626.jpg

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    chrisonabike

    Free speech innit?  And

    Free speech innit?  And surely smart and industrious people should benefit from their labours?  Or are you some kind of commie who wants to requisition all the stored nuts for the collective drey?  That will just drag everyone down down to a subsistence level while rewarding a small cadre of squirrels who devote their time to getting ahead in the committees and keeping everyone else fighting.

    We know how that ends – increasingly cynical and apathetic squirrels, growing corruption, worsening leaders, until the system falls apart.  And then the capitalists will pick the bones clean anyway!

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    mdavidford
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    With all that money, he could wipe out hunger/homelessness/diseases, but instead he’s trying to promote fascism wherever he can.

    He’s tackling the disease of liberal democracy.

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