The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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  • #1017229
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    hawkinspeter
    brooksby wrote:
    Lots in the news at the moment about Musk trying to buy the UK too wanting to donate massive funds to Reform UK…

    With all that money, he could wipe out hunger/homelessness/diseases, but instead he’s trying to promote fascism wherever he can.

    Billionaires are mainly (with maybe one or two exceptions) thoroughly evil people who gain their money by exploiting people around them or who work for them. It’s like some kind of hoarding disease, but instead of treating them in hospitals, society elevates them to some kind of deity to be worshipped/emulated etc.

    I wonder how many billionaires we’d have to kill to get the rest of them to behave?

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    chrisonabike
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    By “picking and choosing”, I mean they disregard all the numerous mentions of hoarding wealth to be a sin and instead put a lot of their focus on demonising LBTQ+ people.

    Not to mention their disregard of certain commandments such as making no idols, bearing false witness against your neighbours, taking the name of God in vain (e.g. saying that God is against something when that’s just their personal opinion), adultery, stealing, coveting etc.

    Pro tip: if you see a wealthy Christian leader, then they’re only Christian in name and are looking to exploit people.

    Opinions vary but to my unscholarly reading it does seem that the voice of God deferred to contemporary Hebrew mainstream opinion in those days (or possibly took agin’ some practices which were associated with the cults of neighbouring tribes or polities).

    You seem to be leaving out some yourself: it wouldn’t hurt you to eat kosher once in a while, or keep the odd fast.  Oh – and if you could avoid mixing fibres in your garments that would be peachy.

    #1017225
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    brooksby
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    I doubt that Musk and him will be friends for very long as you’ve got two narcissists vying for all the attention, although Trump desperately wants access to Musk’s money so their dance could go on for a while.

    Lots in the news at the moment about Musk trying to buy the UK too wanting to donate massive funds to Reform UK…

    #1017223
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    hawkinspeter
    chrisonabike wrote:
    (sticking to Christian examples for fear of being smitten).

    Well, there are relatively few religious DIY enthusiasts in the “West” – or at least they’re mostly doing their own thing locally and few others join them.  Most find it convenient to employ professionals.  The more successful groups are either old (so have traditions which don’t necessarily fit current fashions), based on same, or making it up as they go along (revelation / charismatic leader) in which case it does seem you get their personal quirks emerging as the Word of God.

    And as to “picking and choosing bits of religion” isn’t that … most religions, as they go?  Even the “original” generally grows out of some existing tradition, and ones which stick around go through at least one phase of “now let’s get policy straight” (see Council of Nicaea, the Diet of Worms etc. – sorry, the latter much later I just like the name).  Not infrequently in conjunction with some old-fashioned politics.  At least that’s how Christianity as we knew it more than 1700 years ago got its start

    By “picking and choosing”, I mean they disregard all the numerous mentions of hoarding wealth to be a sin and instead put a lot of their focus on demonising LBTQ+ people.

    Not to mention their disregard of certain commandments such as making no idols, bearing false witness against your neighbours, taking the name of God in vain (e.g. saying that God is against something when that’s just their personal opinion), adultery, stealing, coveting etc.

    Pro tip: if you see a wealthy Christian leader, then they’re only Christian in name and are looking to exploit people.

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    chrisonabike

    hawkinspeter wrote:

    hawkinspeter wrote:
    They’re picking and choosing bits of religion to justify destroying education and women’s rights.

    (sticking to Christian examples for fear of being smitten).

    Well, there are relatively few religious DIY enthusiasts in the “West” – or at least they’re mostly doing their own thing locally and few others join them.  Most find it convenient to employ professionals.  The more successful groups are either old (so have traditions which don’t necessarily fit current fashions), based on same, or making it up as they go along (revelation / charismatic leader) in which case it does seem you get their personal quirks emerging as the Word of God.

    And as to “picking and choosing bits of religion” isn’t that … most religions, as they go?  Even the “original” generally grows out of some existing tradition, and ones which stick around go through at least one phase of “now let’s get policy straight” (see Council of Nicaea, the Diet of Worms etc. – sorry, the latter much later I just like the name).  Not infrequently in conjunction with some old-fashioned politics.  At least that’s how Christianity as we knew it more than 1700 years ago got its start

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    chrisonabike wrote:
    Christian right will continue doing their thing.  America was in part founded by groups of “sectarians” (in the most neutral usage of the word) and is apparently overall more religion-professing than the UK FWTW.

    I prefer to not outright call them “Christian” as their politics are almost completely opposite to the teachings of Christ (e.g. love your neighbour, welcome the poor and needy etc). They’re picking and choosing bits of religion to justify destroying education and women’s rights.

    When we’ve been on holiday in the U.S., we were surprised at how religious they are. We visited a relative of a relative and they were very nice and welcoming, but when we out to a meal, they insisted on saying Grace. We were forewarned that they’re like that, so we just went along with it as we didn’t want to unnecessarily insult them (as an atheist, I see it as just a meaningless tradition). The UK is very much less religious than the U.S.

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    chrisonabike
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    [Trump’s plans, Christian right big business … ]

    On the one hand Trump does indeed seems to be starting doing exactly what he’s said he will.  How long those plans will survive contact with … Donald Trump – I cannot guess. (Perhaps in an increasingly fluid and uncertain world one of the attractions of him for some is that nobody knows what he will end up doing – likely including Donald Trump).

    Christian right will continue doing their thing.  America was in part founded by groups of “sectarians” (in the most neutral usage of the word) and is apparently overall more religion-professing than the UK FWTW.

    Overall this just reads like an oscillation of the US back to a more “populist” and inward-looking state.  Kicking out illegal migrants, lowering taxes, “smaller government”, taking jobs “back to the US” and digging/burning more oil and other non-renewables – also sort of “business as usual”.  These will probably give many if not most people a boost in the short term.  Longer term I suppose that may cause serious issues, especially with the US in its current state (quite dependent on migrant labour, heavily reliant on Chinese trade (especially imports)).

    As for everyone else – those leaning on the US will probably be disappointed (except maybe Benjamin Netenyahu).  Bad news for the environment (it would be “very” but the US is already using way more resources than “sustainable”, and prepared to knock over those in its way to get them).  Bad news for those suspicious of the tech-bros and their love of our data, and polarising content platforms.  (Although you could say it’s just the that covers will come off…).  Ditto those bright new “disruptive” businesses like self-driving cars, crypto etc.

    Just my ill-informed guesses.

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    hawkinspeter

    I suspect that Trump is just

    I suspect that Trump is just trying to avoid jail and will probably aim to just play golf during his presidency – he does seem to be showing signs of dementia.

    I doubt that Musk and him will be friends for very long as you’ve got two narcissists vying for all the attention, although Trump desperately wants access to Musk’s money so their dance could go on for a while.

    I imagine the ChristoFascists that are being installed into positions of power will do more harm themselves as they attempt to make The Handmaid’s Tale become reality. However, I can see there being sturdy opposition to them, so time will tell.

    The big businesses “running” the country will do a LOT of harm as they’re looking to create an underclass of workers that have no security apart from their employment. Get ill – lose your job, wages, house etc. The lack of regulations will allow them to pollute wherever they want and that’s going to lead to a lot of sick U.S. people (more profit for their healthcare providers).

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    David9694

    Because of the news fog

    Because of the news fog around this, I’ve only got a few scraps to offer out at moment.  That and the sheer unpredictability of the man at the centre of it all. So here we go, jump in any time. 

    The team he’s assembled looks like some sensible picks from in his world with some notable exceptions, of course. I guess running the WWF as an example is at least experience of running a sizeable enterprise, and having to stick at it to deliver the product.  Doing that over time can be pretty boring and a lot of nut-jobs and fanatics don’t have much skill in that area, usually want instant gratification/ results and often get tired of it.

    They’re also not very good at building effective relationships either, so that brings another layer of unpredictability as the infighting worsens.  I wonder how long the current love affair with Musk will last. It can’t be easy for Trump to operate at full throttle with his advancing age / state of health. But he wouldn’t be the first POTUS, or the first tyrant of that’s what this is turning into, to experience that.

    Trump doesn’t seem to be a war-monger (wars and peacekeeping are expensive) or bloodthirsty, so there’s that.  But his weakness on foreign matters could allow wars to break out.  My sense, based on no evidence, is that his apparent alliance with nut job “Christian” extremists is a marriage of convenience, so I wonder how far all that horror will get on the ground. 

    The US will be a dead loss on climate change during this period – that seems like a certainty. I do wonder where we’ll get to in 3.5 years in terms with holding a free and fair election.  Great to know, by the way, that the 2024 election was in no way stolen after all. 

    Two X/twitter takes I’ve seen:

    Won’t it be interesting to see where we get to when the right are able to put all their ideas into effect over 4 years 

    An intent to dismantle 80% of the federal government (a la Musk X/ Twitter takeover.)

    I guess the latter rules out any system of domestic tyranny? Tariffs, as an example, need a fair bit of admin. So does interstate border control for women of child-bearing ago who might be pregnant.

    A lot of what’s being said at the moment really doesn’t sound all that good for business and industry. I guess there’s so-called Disaster Capitalism, but in the ordinary course, business’s requirements from government are about security – in practical terms, that’s defense and policing.  An unstable or insecure environment causes loss and puts up costs as the business has to provide basic security itself and pay more for staff.

    It also helps business if there is a criminal and civil justice system for disputes and felonies.  Fuel and energy supplies.  It’s good if there is a local workforce (so maybe don’t deport them all) and that needs I dunno education, housing, maybe healthcare.  It’s bad if there are bums on every street corner of your downtown.  

    Big business runs the US and I find myself pinning my hope there. 

    #1017211
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    David9694
    levestane wrote:
    David9694 wrote:
    Our children must be taught about their heritage.

    Absolutely!

    In terms of speed limits, I was wondering where safety was “critical” – and where it was not.

    #1017209
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    hawkinspeter
    David9694 wrote:
    A Patriotic Curriculum in Primary and Secondary Schools

    Any teaching about a period or example of British or European imperialism or slavery must be paired with the teaching of a non-European occurrence of the same to ensure balance. History and social science curriculum to be reviewed and audited regularly to ensure balance. Our children must be taught about their heritage.

    I don’t know where to begin to state just how much I disagree with every single point of those policies.

    However, the screwing around with education is a classic fascists’ trick. They claim that they want to “ensure balance”, but will then ignore all non-white, non-male contributions to art, science, music, politics, philosophy etc.

    Basically, they’re just a bunch of nasty, racist, white supremacists.

    #1017207
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    levestane
    David9694 wrote:
    Our children must be taught about their heritage.

    Absolutely!

    #1017205
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    David9694

    A new Reform “contract” is

    A new Reform “contract” is out. I just thought it might be worth another visit as the Conservative Party seems to want to destroy itself. They’re using pretty much the same Leader selection process that led them to Truss 2 years ago, then Sunak. Neither Labour nor the Conservative party seems particularly good at choosing the right leader. 

    Anyway, the bar room discourse continues: 

    Stop the War on Drivers

    Legislate to ban ULEZ Clean Air Zones and Low Traffic Neighbourhoods. Scrapping Net Zero means no more bans on petrol and diesel cars and no legal requirements for manufacturers to sell electric cars.

    We will keep the speed limit low where safety is critical. Otherwise, 20 MPH zones will be scrapped.

    The above is in keeping with the Net Zero chapter, where at least there is no attempt to deny the science:  we’re straight in to extracting as much carbon as we possibly can.

    Education. Can’t see “ban critical race theory” any more and we seem to have adopted a position that says “well, other countries practised imperialism”. Nothing about oh I dunno mundane stuff like investment in school buildings, securing the supply of teachers, SEN, improving support for pupils who are struggling with say having had breakfast. 

    A Patriotic Curriculum in Primary and Secondary Schools

    Any teaching about a period or example of British or European imperialism or slavery must be paired with the teaching of a non-European occurrence of the same to ensure balance. History and social science curriculum to be reviewed and audited regularly to ensure balance. Our children must be taught about their heritage.

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    #1017203
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    Rich_cb

    I’m not sure what point you
    I’m not sure what point you’re making?

    The GP quote was from somebody at the protest.

    #1017201
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    Rich_cb

    Not really.
    Not really.

    England’s health service is in better shape than Wales’.

    14 years of Conservative rule hasn’t been as bad as the alternatives in Wales and Scotland.

    Not everything is Brexit related.

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