The cyclist who suffered this incident on June 7 in Swindon was told by police that no action would be taken due to insufficient evidence.
Ash was heading straight over a roundabout on Kembrey Road and says that the Audi driver looked at him, “then floored it.”
He reported the incident but was last week told by Wiltshire Police that “the footage provided does not show enough of the behaviour of the alleged offending vehicle to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the driver committed any traffic offences.”
The incident is similar to one road.cc reported on last week in which a driver cut in front of a Derbyshire cyclist at speed, missing him by centimetres.
Derbyshire Constabulary initially declined to take action and didn’t even watch the footage. However, following pressure from Cycling UK and Chris Boardman, the driver is now being prosecuted and the force has also pledged to review its policy regarding the submission of video evidence.
Over the years road.cc has reported on literally hundreds of close passes and near misses involving badly driven vehicles from every corner of the country – so many, in fact, that we’ve decided to turn the phenomenon into a regular feature on the site. One day hopefully we will run out of close passes and near misses to report on, but until that happy day arrives, Near Miss of the Day will keep rolling on.
If you’ve caught on camera a close encounter of the uncomfortable kind with another road user that you’d like to share with the wider cycling community please send it to us at info@road.cc or contact us via the road.cc Facebook page.
100 thoughts on “Near Miss of the Day 3: Audi caught on film – but police won’t act”
An Audi, you say? How odd,
An Audi, you say? How odd, given that they are such underpowered cars, typically driven by kind, patient people. Why, I’ve seen entire parking lots belonging to estate agents almost completely filled with Audis, and if that doesn’t say something about the sort of gentle, considerate people who often drive them, I don’t know what would.
handlebarcam wrote:
I’ve probably been driving slower and more laid back since I added 4 rings and 120 extra horsepower.
handlebarcam wrote:
I drive and Audi and have just ordered a larger more powerful one. What’s your misguided point?
don simon wrote:
Have a look in your underpants and all your questions will be answered.
SingleSpeed wrote:
I look forward to mine shrinking a bit, it was too big when I had a Hyundai. Literally dragging on the floor when I had a 125cc and made a top tube out of it when I cycled.
don simon wrote:
How does one Audi?
bob_c wrote:
Carefully?
bob_c wrote:
Why is it so hard for road.cc
Why is it so hard for road.cc to understand the basics of the law?
You have had it explained to you numerous times. You know perfectly well footage like this will not result in a successful prosecution, as do the Police, as it doesn’t meet the required standards.
Stop posting these clickbait rubbish videos trying to line your own pockets at the expense of road user safety. All you are actually doing is scaring riders and pissing off drivers leading to more likely clashes on the roads. You are actively making it more dangerous on the roads by your actions.
kevinmorice wrote:
So you are telling me that if someone was stabbed in full view of a CCTV Camera, and there were no witnesses that the police would just go “its only CCTV footage and there were no witnesses, case closed”?????
I kinda agree with Kevin. I
I kinda agree with Kevin. I commute 20 miles daily and have this sort of thing happen to me on occasion. I could film every one, but what’s it going to achieve? It won’t end up in a driver being prosecuted. Sure, it’ll get some people enraged on here, but where does that get anyone?
Sorry CC but I don’t think
Sorry CC but I don’t think that’s a good example of a near miss. Imho the cyclist should have been better positioned and for gawd sake use hand signals
Alan Williams wrote:
My thoughts exactly this is a good example of how to not to position yourself.
Sorry CC but I don’t think
Sorry CC but I don’t think that’s a good example of a near miss. Imho the cyclist should have been better positioned and for gawd sake use hand signals
Alan Williams wrote:
Cyclist in right turn lane moves to go into other lane without indicating. Surprised to find it full.
No offence by Audi as far as I can see.
May not get a prosecution but
May not get a prosecution but being reminded by a letter or chat that this sort of driving isn’t really acceptable may work in some cases.
mikepridmorewood wrote:
From my discussions with police they only get involved if a prosecution is likely, the polite word or letter never happens.
As has been mentioned, need
As has been mentioned, need to use hands if you’re going to change lanes.
I had a run in with an Audi
I had a run in with an Audi RS4 driver on Sunday who threatened to ‘break’ me. Sadly I don’t have a camera mounted but was thinking yesterday that Audi drivers are the worst bunch of self-entitled twats n the road.
I am now shopping for a camera.
thx1138 wrote:
And all cyclists run red lights… What total drivel you write. On the one hand we cyclists hate being pigeon holed and then you write this. All the Audi drivers I know are law abiding respectful drivers.
kevvjj wrote:
It’s all the Audi drivers you don’t know that are the problem. The most self-entitled twunts ever.
Pink shirt big collar brown brogues chunky watch rayban faced iphone 7 gotta take this call mate two peronis please mate can I get a steak and chips on a slate mate watching the game at the weekend mate marketing / estate agent / private finance / executive sales spray tan hipster hair steampunk tats muthafckrs.
kevvjj wrote:
Can I pigeon hole all moped riders as total twats?
thx1138 wrote:
I think i’ve found him…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQvB6OjHOU
watch the video properly. The
watch the video properly. The cyclist is aiming to go straight on, so has taken the lane to do so, he doesnt have to indicate he is turning off until after the audi incident. plus he can’t, because he is slamming on the brakes, I REPEAT SLAMMING ON THE BRAKES!
IF WE DO NOT CHASE THINGS LIKE THIS AND PUBLICALY SHAME THE POLICE FOR NOT AT LEAST GOING ROUND AND GIVING WARNINGS, THEN WE CONTINUE TO FLATTENED BY THIS IMPATIENT IDIOTS!
I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD TWO VERY NEAR MISSES, BOTH RESULTED IN THE POLICE VISITING THE DRIVERS, SHOWING THE FOOTAGE AND WARNING THEM. One of these was an impatient idiot who brushed me with a wing mirror while I was doing 40mph down a hill in a 40mph zone, trying to overtake with oncoming traffic and double white lines!
Sorry where is the near miss?
Sorry where is the near miss? What I saw was a cyclist cutting across lanes multiple times without any indication or change of speed, and a car in what was the lane next to him going about his business as he decided to change lanes yet again without indicating.
He was caught out by the speed differential between car and bike, not by the closeness of the pass.
If you’re going to bore us all silly with propaganda and anti-driver attitude, at least choose from some of the truly awful examples doing the rounds on the internet, not things like this.
Bassmann13 wrote:
I REALLY hope you don’t drive a motor vehicle. You clearly have no concept of how roundabouts are safely negotiated. Yes, the cyclist made errors, but you should NEVER undertake someone on a roundabout in case they have failed to signal their intention to leave the roundabout, and it i entirely normal and correct to exit a roundabout frm the offside lane when turning right. If you undertake you risk colliding with someone who is about to to turn off.
The driver was not “going about his business”. He was being an aggressive, impatient idiot.
DaveE128 wrote:
Sorry where is the near miss? What I saw was a cyclist cutting across lanes multiple times without any indication or change of speed, and a car in what was the lane next to him going about his business as he decided to change lanes yet again without indicating.
He was caught out by the speed differential between car and bike, not by the closeness of the pass.
If you’re going to bore us all silly with propaganda and anti-driver attitude, at least choose from some of the truly awful examples doing the rounds on the internet, not things like this.
— DaveE128 I REALLY hope you don’t drive a motor vehicle. You clearly have no concept of how roundabouts are safely negotiated. Yes, the cyclist made errors, but you should NEVER undertake someone on a roundabout in case they have failed to signal their intention to leave the roundabout, and it i entirely normal and correct to exit a roundabout frm the offside lane when turning right. If you undertake you risk colliding with someone who is about to to turn off. The driver was not “going about his business”. He was being an aggressive, impatient idiot.— Bassmann13
Again, you’re wrong, go learn the rules of the road as you’re a danger to yourself and others, suggest some cycle training to start with and also some advanced driving instruction, the driver did nothing wrong.
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
So, you just posted the image from the highway code that accompanies Rule 185. I will quote the rule for you here pointing out how it shows you are wrong (emphasis added):
When reaching the roundabout you should
The road markings in this case do not allow entering the roundabout without giving way.
Look again at the image you posted above:
Note that the right-turning vehicle (green arrow) exits from the inside of the roundabout directly to the exit, without moving to the outer lane first. This is why “being aware they may not be signalling correctly” means that the silver car at top left must not enter the roundabout onto the outer lane, even if the green car above-left of centre is not indicating left.
Perhaps you would care to explain how I do not know the rules of the road, and how following rule 185 means that I am a danger to myself or others? So you’re saying that what this Audi driver did is safer than if he’d stopped at the give way line. Is what you really mean “you don’t take enough risks and drive too cautiously, and that means I’m likely to get impatient and drive into the back of you at a roundabout because I dangerously assume everyone drives like me and will pull out in front of traffic on roundabouts!”?
Even if you were right, and it was perfectly safe and sensible to enter a multi-lane roundabout under such circumstances, you might note from the satellite photo posted earlier that this roundabout does not have clearly marked lanes all the way round, so you’re even more likely to run into trouble on this one.
Having looked at the satellite photo I don’t think the cyclist actually did anything wrong except for not signalling, up to the point of having to take evasive action. The geometry of the roundabout is such that the left hand lane on the approach is only suitable for turning left. This is very poor road design as the lane is not marked left turn only. This may be why the cyclist hesitated before moving to the right hand lane. He ends up going all over the place and up the wrong side of the exit road only after taking evasive action to avoid being hit by the Audi driver. I suspect he was a bit shaken up and this had something to do with wobbling around on the wrong side of the road afterwards.
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
So, you just posted the image from the highway code that accompanies Rule 185. I will quote the rule for you here pointing out how it shows you are wrong (emphasis added):
When reaching the roundabout you should
The road markings in this case do not allow entering the roundabout without giving way.
Look again at the image you posted above:
Note that the right-turning vehicle (green arrow) exits from the inside of the roundabout directly to the exit, without moving to the outer lane first. This is why “being aware they may not be signalling correctly” means that the silver car at top left must not enter the roundabout onto the outer lane, even if the green car above-left of centre is not indicating left.
Perhaps you would care to explain how I do not know the rules of the road, and how following rule 185 means that I am a danger to myself or others? So you’re saying that what this Audi driver did is safer than if he’d stopped at the give way line. Is what you really mean “you don’t take enough risks and drive too cautiously, and that means I’m likely to get impatient and drive into the back of you at a roundabout because I dangerously assume everyone drives like me and will pull out in front of traffic on roundabouts!”?
Even if you were right, and it was perfectly safe and sensible to enter a multi-lane roundabout under such circumstances, you might note from the satellite photo posted earlier that this roundabout does not have clearly marked lanes all the way round, so you’re even more likely to run into trouble on this one.
Having looked at the satellite photo I don’t think the cyclist actually did anything wrong except for not signalling, up to the point of having to take evasive action. The geometry of the roundabout is such that the left hand lane on the approach is only suitable for turning left. This is very poor road design as the lane is not marked left turn only. This may be why the cyclist hesitated before moving to the right hand lane. He ends up going all over the place and up the wrong side of the exit road only after taking evasive action to avoid being hit by the Audi driver. I suspect he was a bit shaken up and this had something to do with wobbling around on the wrong side of the road afterwards.
DaveE128 wrote:
The road markings in this case do not allow entering the roundabout without giving way.
Look again at the image you posted above:
Note that the right-turning vehicle (green arrow) exits from the inside of the roundabout directly to the exit, without moving to the outer lane first. This is why “being aware they may not be signalling correctly” means that the silver car at top left must not enter the roundabout onto the outer lane, even if the green car above-left of centre is not indicating left.
Perhaps you would care to explain how I do not know the rules of the road, and how following rule 185 means that I am a danger to myself or others? So you’re saying that what this Audi driver did is safer than if he’d stopped at the give way line. Is what you really mean “you don’t take enough risks and drive too cautiously, and that means I’m likely to get impatient and drive into the back of you at a roundabout because I dangerously assume everyone drives like me and will pull out in front of traffic on roundabouts!”?
Even if you were right, and it was perfectly safe and sensible to enter a multi-lane roundabout under such circumstances, you might note from the satellite photo posted earlier that this roundabout does not have clearly marked lanes all the way round, so you’re even more likely to run into trouble on this one.
Having looked at the satellite photo I don’t think the cyclist actually did anything wrong except for not signalling, up to the point of having to take evasive action. The geometry of the roundabout is such that the left hand lane on the approach is only suitable for turning left. This is very poor road design as the lane is not marked left turn only. This may be why the cyclist hesitated before moving to the right hand lane. He ends up going all over the place and up the wrong side of the exit road only after taking evasive action to avoid being hit by the Audi driver. I suspect he was a bit shaken up and this had something to do with wobbling around on the wrong side of the road afterwards.— BehindTheBikesheds
The motorist took an empty lane and did not impede onto anyone in that lane thus ‘gave way’
The cyclist changed lanes from a position from the far right of the right hand side lane (he was very near the apex of the roundabout) so would suggest he was going to exit into lane two of the dual ahead or turn right. he chose to do neither, in fact he braked when seeing the the lane next to him was no longer clear and then turned abruptly left which made this into something closer than it should have being.
If he was intending to make it into the exit he went down on the wrong side he was even more in the wrong position.
Luckily the Audi driver held his line in his CLEAR lane and, wasn’t going particularly fast, he did not deviate at the last second, from the wrong lane with no signal unlike the person riding a bike who was trying to cut the roundabout so was in the wrong lane for the exit/lane he intended no matter which way you look at it.
You can’t just change lanes and your exit lane willy nilly whether that be on a roundabout, motorway or wherever, the onus here is on the cyclist to take the correct lane on approach, keep to his lane and if you fuck it up go around again.
Here is an example on my doorstep, there’s an elongated/oval ‘rounadbout’ with 5 exits, on approach to the last but one exit I change lanes from the inside (because it’s a right turn only lane) and transition across into the left lane at around point ‘B’ and hold a right of lane position just enough for me to control that lane but give enough space to my left in case of encroachment ( I’m exiting out of screen grab to the right of frame to an acute 2 lane left exit so need to be right of lane anyhow for safety and to stop overtakes) .
I’m already in my lane just as I pass the last exit, I’m already in the process of transitioning from the inside lane by being to the left of the lane (again to prevent an overtake at last second).
Going from the video the person here is effectively at point A in my screen grab and is already well past the exit then decides to cut across at an acute angle (across long dashed lines which is clear in the HC Rule 127, “do not cross unless clear”) when it would appear to any normal person that they were carrying on in that lane and by entering into the clear lane you are not impeding anyone.
Sorry but the cyclists positioning both on approach and lane discipline (or lack thereof) and the fact they were clearly trying to cut the angle on the roundabout (Again contra to rule 127) puts this solely at the feet of the person riding the bike.
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
The motorist took an empty lane and did not impede onto anyone in that lane thus ‘gave way’
The cyclist changed lanes from a position from the far right of the right hand side lane (he was very near the apex of the roundabout) so would suggest he was going to exit into lane two of the dual ahead or turn right. he chose to do neither, in fact he braked when seeing the the lane next to him was no longer clear and then turned abruptly left which made this into something closer than it should have being.
If he was intending to make it into the exit he went down on the wrong side he was even more in the wrong position.
Luckily the Audi driver held his line in his CLEAR lane and, wasn’t going particularly fast, he did not deviate at the last second, from the wrong lane with no signal unlike the person riding a bike who was trying to cut the roundabout so was in the wrong lane for the exit/lane he intended no matter which way you look at it.
You can’t just change lanes and your exit lane willy nilly whether that be on a roundabout, motorway or wherever, the onus here is on the cyclist to take the correct lane on approach, keep to his lane and if you fuck it up go around again.
Here is an example on my doorstep, there’s an elongated/oval ‘rounadbout’ with 5 exits, on approach to the last but one exit I change lanes from the inside (because it’s a right turn only lane) and transition across into the left lane at around point ‘B’ and hold a right of lane position just enough for me to control that lane but give enough space to my left in case of encroachment ( I’m exiting out of screen grab to the right of frame to an acute 2 lane left exit so need to be right of lane anyhow for safety and to stop overtakes) .
I’m already in my lane just as I pass the last exit, I’m already in the process of transitioning from the inside lane by being to the left of the lane (again to prevent an overtake at last second).
Going from the video the person here is effectively at point A in my screen grab and is already well past the exit then decides to cut across at an acute angle (across long dashed lines which is clear in the HC Rule 127, “do not cross unless clear”) when it would appear to any normal person that they were carrying on in that lane and by entering into the clear lane you are not impeding anyone.
Sorry but the cyclists positioning both on approach and lane discipline (or lack thereof) and the fact they were clearly trying to cut the angle on the roundabout (Again contra to rule 127) puts this solely at the feet of the person riding the bike.— BehindTheBikesheds
Right, so compare what you are saying with HC rule 186:
signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
Also compare again to the image from the highway code. The rules of the road say to stay in the right hand lane until you need to move left to exit. Now you might argue that there is some ambiguity in the wording about exactly how soon you should move to the left lane, but the image you already posted (bizarrely it accompanies rule 185 not 186, to which it most closely relates) makes it absolutely clear that moving left into lane B as you outline is not the correct procedure. There is a good reason for this: Do you signal left before moving left into lane B or not? If you do, you give the false impression to drivers waiting to enter the roundabout ahead that you are taking the exit visible in the photo you posted. If you do not, you are moving left without signalling which carries its own risks. However, that aside, you might think rule 186 is dumb, and decide that your procedure for exiting a roundabout it safer. This doesn’t, however, mean that you can safely assume that everyone else ignores rule 186, and pull onto the roundabout in front of them or next to them when they may be about to turn left. We all know how much people forget to signal on roundabouts (especially common for people to exit a roundabout while still indicating right) and you are counting on people signalling accurately to avoid you causing an accident.
I will say it again, the audi in the original clip was not driving safely. He thought he could get away with pulling on in front of another road user, and that is not a safe thing to do.
Bassmann13 wrote:
It is a bit of a tricky one this one… I had to watch it a few times before I got it.
It starts with quite an unusual roundabout layout where the left lane is for the first exit only and the right lane for all other exits. Perhaps this took the cyclist by surprise as he changed lane at the last minute.
The cyclist at first appears to weave across lanes on the roundabout, but in fact, at the start, there is only one lane. The cyclist tries to move into the left lane as that lane appears, and it is at that into that the Audi driver almost wipes him out. The cyclist then exits the roundabout on the wrong side of the road, possibly in a state of shock.
jh27 wrote:
Sorry where is the near miss? What I saw was a cyclist cutting across lanes multiple times without any indication or change of speed, and a car in what was the lane next to him going about his business as he decided to change lanes yet again without indicating.
He was caught out by the speed differential between car and bike, not by the closeness of the pass.
If you’re going to bore us all silly with propaganda and anti-driver attitude, at least choose from some of the truly awful examples doing the rounds on the internet, not things like this.
— jh27 It is a bit of a tricky one this one… I had to watch it a few times before I got it. It starts with quite an unusual roundabout layout where the left lane is for the first exit only and the right lane for all other exits. Perhaps this took the cyclist by surprise as he changed lane at the last minute. The cyclist at first appears to weave across lanes on the roundabout, but in fact, at the start, there is only one lane. The cyclist tries to move into the left lane as that lane appears, and it is at that into that the Audi driver almost wipes him out. The cyclist then exits the roundabout on the wrong side of the road, possibly in a state of shock.— Bassmann13
There are TWO lanes on approach, the left lane is not a left turn only, you are decieved by the dust on the road into thinking there is only one lane.
the cyclist should have being in the left lane on approach (he changes from left to right) and maintained that lane until his exit either into the road it looks like he was aiming for (the one he goes down the wrong side of) or the dual carriageway.
That he tries to cut the roundabout is the problem and why it’s his fault alone. you cannot just change lanes without checking they are clear, the long dashed lines signify this as a hazard and that you MUST ensure that the lane is clear before entering it, he didn’t, nor bothered shoulder checking or indicating despite him being in the incorrect lane/position and tried to bully his way into a lane that had another road user in it.
As i said previously, switch these around and people would be playing merry hell with the car driving cutting across the lane into a cyclist.
The cyclist gave no hand
The cyclist gave no hand signal and the driver could only guess were the cyclist was going.
john1967 wrote:
Lack of hand signals is bad. Creates the problem in the first place.
If the Audi driver was guessing though, perhaps they should have slowed down a little?
SNS1938 wrote:
Dude! it’s an Audi driver. They understand the lack of signalling thing. BMW drivers too.
I wonder if Singlespeed want a photo while I’m down there, the sick pervert…
don simon wrote:
Sounds like you read the Daily Mail and by ‘Sick Pervert’ you mean Homosexual.
SingleSpeed wrote:
Sorry dude, I use site blocking software for the daily mail so I don’t inadvertently open up a page of that shite, applies for the sun too. I drive an Audi, I have a chuffing great 4×4 and own several bikes which get regular use. I voted labour, but sport a shaved head, have tattooes and love Staffies (owned 2), don’t wear DMs anymore as they’re overpriced crap, but do have a Harrington.
Suit and Italian shoes for work though…
How’s you stereotype going now?
SNS1938 wrote:
No hand signals probably BECAUSE HE WAS ON HIS BLOODY BRAKES.
john1967 wrote:
Yes the cyclist gave no hand signals, however, last time I checked the law on roundabouts is GIVE PRIORITY TO VEHICLES FROM THE RIGHT. So the lack of hand signals is completely and utterly irrelevant in this case… as the cyclist was on the roundabout and the cock in the Audi failed to obey the rules of the road.
Highway Code suggests cyclist
Highway Code suggests cyclist stay on the near side right the way around a round about which tbh is the safest place to be ….it’s the line I take unless entry visibility is terrible….oh and hand signals whilst not easy at times do make a big difference
turnerjohn wrote:
No it doesn’t and no it isn’t. The HC warns drivers that a cyclist may stay on the left around a roundabout and to look out for them doing that. The safest position is in primary position, the position of maximum visibility, approaching and through a hazard like a roundabout in accordance with the National Cycling Training Standard.
cbrndc wrote:
which is roundabouts (no pun intended) the same thing . It’s the safest place to be not where you then need to cross traffic to exit
187
In all cases watch out for and give plenty of room to
pedestrians who may be crossing the approach and exit roads
traffic crossing in front of you on the roundabout, especially vehicles intending to leave by the next exit
traffic which may be straddling lanes or positioned incorrectly
motorcyclists
cyclists and horse riders who may stay in the left-hand lane and signal right if they intend to continue round the roundabout. Allow them to do so
turnerjohn wrote:
If you’re seriously suggesting taking the inside lane to take the 3rd, 4th or 5th exit of a roundabout then I can only assume you have never seen a roundabout…
It’s worth looking at an
It’s worth looking at an arial shot of that roundabout. It looks a total nightmare, all the exits are offset and there is no ‘normal’ line across it, it’s almost as if the exits are set beyond the entry points. Nightmare design for cyclists.
Not easy to draw firm
Not easy to draw firm conclusions from this video – I agree with other posters, it’s not a good example, either of video evidence or the cyclist’s own behaviour.
Not that being a bad cyclist justifies bad driving – the Audi should probably have held back on a precautionary basis. It looks look like a F**K YOU! manoeuvre by the driver – but I understand why the police won’t act on this.
I can’t work out what the
I can’t work out what the cyclist was trying to do.
If he was intending to pull off into the road that he did intend to pull off into, it is pretty shocking riding- wrong lane, surely, and no hand signal when he did decide to change into the left hand lane.
If he was planning to go on to a later exit, still bad judgment, I think, as would have been safer to keep to the left and just ride round the outside of the roundabout- perhaps with a right hand to indicate that he was not going off at each exit he passed?
rjfrussell wrote:
Absolutely not. If you stick to the far outside as you take a late exit you will come into conflict with cars at every previous exit.
Take primary on exactly the same lane you would use if driving, if I have never had an issue taking this approach. It’s clear to drivers where you are going.
Cyclist in the video takes opposite approach left lane right lane left lane for an early exit. The sort of crank lane discipline that annoys me when drivers do it.
Dangerous driver not thinking
Dangerous driver not thinking of possible hazards ahead + silly cyclist not looking after his safety enough, as already mentioned no signalling intent and in wrong lane (needed to be left taking primary in left lane )
It would be good for the driver to see the cyclist’s perspective though:
BD16 ZXB black Audi, Google indexing over to you
I’m unsure what the issue is.
I’m unsure what the issue is.
Cyclist changes lane quite late on approach. Seems to want to take a semi racing line through the roundabout. Seems to be in wrong lane coming off roundabout as they seem to be heading towards the hatched marking not the lane. Ends up going against the traffic to come off.
Driver seems to enter the roundabout in the left lane, stays to the left and exits in left lane. Makes a call that the cyclist is in the centre and therefore probably is continuing round to the next junction. Lack of signalling enforces the assumption. He accelerates away from the roundabout onto what seems a dual carriageway(60/70 mph zone???)
Haven’t viewed the footage,
Haven’t viewed the footage, from comments above, it doesn’t seem like a good example.
However wasn’t Wiltshire looking for the naked Cyclist wearing a tartan cap, so on the one hand they can investigate one case with no video evidence, but dismiss a case because the videos not up to standard?
Sad to see quite so many
Sad to see quite so many people blaming the cyclist for the dangerous driving of the car driver, and quite a comment on how such driving is now seen as acceptable, even by cyclists. If you can’t drive safely, especially around vulnerable road users, then you shouldn’t be on the road. If you drive so badly that you endanger other road users, the state should prevent you from driving.
If I was driving that car, I would have slowed down until I was sure what the cyclist was doing, not floored it to get past him, utterly careless of where he was going. I’m not a perfect driver, or cyclist, but I do respect other people. This driver didn’t .
burtthebike wrote:
Sorry but you are so badly wrong and I suggest you go get some training on how to cycle and indeed drive properly as you’re clearly not safe on either score!
The person riding decided to change lanes at the last second with no consideration whatsoever to other road users, what if he did that and it was another cyclist minding their own business, he would have most likely crashed right into them or forced them to swerve.
Here’s a little starter for you and the rest with respect to lane discipline …
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
Thank you for your patronising nonsense. I’ve been a cyclist for 57 years and a driver for 43 years and the only collisions I’ve had with other road users were their fault, not mine. I’m pretty sure I’m a reasonable driver and cyclist, and my record would tend to suggest that is true.
If you think blindly obeying every rule is a sensible position to adopt, rather than adjusting your behaviour to that of other people and the situation, then you are in for a lot of trouble. You’re rather like the drivers who drive to the limit whatever the conditions because it must be safe, they’re not breaking the speed limit. Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools, and I’m sad to say, you’re in the latter group.
burtthebike wrote:
I don’t think people are blaming the cyclist for the driver’s bad driving. I personally think it’s a long way short of dangerous. The ‘article’ claimed it was a near miss, stating the police didn’t think there was enough evidence to prosecute. It doesn’t really look like a near miss to me, except from the cyclist perhaps trying to pull into the car’s lane without indicating. It’s neither an example of a near miss, good driving, or careful riding.
You have no idea of what the driver’s actions were other than the briefest view on the camera. You have no idea of what level of care he was taking, regardless of how it looked to you.
You, Sir, are drivelling.
madcarew wrote:
What rubbish. It’s not ‘the car’s lane’ it’s the cyclist’s, or anybody else on the roundabout, who must go into it to exit!
Without that rule roundabouts just wouldn’t function! You’d always get on but hardly ever be able to exit lol!
Can we have Venn diagram of
Can we have Venn diagram of cyclists, Audi drivers and cunts ?
Yellow, red, purple in that
Yellow, red, purple in that order:
Irrespective of any lack of
Irrespective of any lack of signalling by the cyclist who was steering the bike (both hands, good/safer technique…better than one handed wobbling about), the Audi driver obviously just thought, “Fuck you, you’re a bike”.
Had it been another non signalling motor driven vehicle the Audi driver most likely would have done exactly the same thing and pulled out straight in front of the oncoming vehicle (not a generalization on Audi owners…just an observation on this particular one)
The level of disagreement
The level of disagreement here is precisely why the police could not bring a successful prosecution.
The cyclist is totally in the
The cyclist is totally in the wrong here.
In the wrong lane for the exit he was obviously taking, should have been in the left lane if going straight on (2nd exit) and he moves into the right lane on approach to cut the roundabout/take the racing line.
That left lane isn’t a left turn only it’s for the 1st and 2nd exit, this is pretty clear IMHO and so he should have stuck in it but chose to cut the roundabout instead. Whilst there looks to be a line that might suggest it’s a left only turn it isn’t as that some debris/dust on the tarmac, that he then tries to cut back across into a lane that is clearly now not empty means he is in the wrong.
No hand signal is mostly irrelevant because a signal gives you no priority to move into a lane that isn’t clear and it’s pretty obvious it wasn’t, a hand signal at the l;ast second still would give no time for the driver to react but may have let another driver behind know his intention, however he also didn’t bother with a shoulder check either otherwise he wouldn’t have tried moving into an unclear lane in the first place as there was another vehicle there and was perfectly allowed to be so.
Don’t change lanes unless it is safe/clear to do so, surely if we apply this to motorists we must apply this to people on bikes too, there are rules there for a reason!
Those defending the cyclist have no idea whatsoever about the rules of the road, road positioning and what your responsibilities are to other road users, i hope you don’t drive your car/van like the way this idiot rode his bike!
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
I agree with the cyclist’s positioning being awful.
Hard to tell when the Audi entered the roundabout from the video, but it seems to me that they shouldn’t have done so, due to where I *think* the cyclist was likely to be when they did. Can’t see them on it, then they go past… Looks like they shouldn’t even have been on the roundabout at that point.
Conclusion: looks like both in the wrong, to me.
Audis are the worst of the
Audis are the worst of the lot because it’s the same type of guy who’d be driving a Porsche or a Lambo but with the added insecurity of not being able to afford one
Jackson wrote:
And cyclists all jump red lights and ride on the pavement.
Why do people persist with this stereotyping bollocks?
Jackson wrote:
So wrong, Aston Martin would be my first choice with money no object. But even then I’d still need the Audi as they don’t do an estate.
Jackson wrote:
Please stop with this utter tripe. I’ve only just bought one after 27 years of driving and the one I have is slower than other Japanese cars I’ve owned and WAY slower than motorbikes I’ve owned.
If I had the money the only Porsche I’d own would be a 70s 911, actually slower than most modem Audis.
Looking at all the cyclist colliding with car stories it seems the Corsa is killers choice of car.
Audi went through a give way
Audi went through a give way sign when cyclist was on the roundabout. Don’t muddy the waters talking about hand signals.
Plasterer's Radio wrote:
So multi lane rounabout; if someone is in any of the lanes no one can enter even if the lane they need is clear?
Not much point having multi lane roundabouts then is there?
wycombewheeler wrote:
Yeah I think this is the ambiguity – it’s impossible to tell from the video what that situation looked like (position and direction of cyclist) to the driver when they got to the roundabout. I’m guessing the cyclist was middle-ish/across lanes and heading across towards their exit, plus the lane markings are beaten up, so the driver should have given way/hung back. I don’t know the roundabout, but if I was approaching it I’d expect it to function as a normal roundabout.
But as to your point about multilane roundabouts – I dislike them. They function as ‘get in lane’ junctions and not actual roundabouts, and make people forget how to use actual roundabouts.
Cyclist positioning was still wrong though.
wycombewheeler wrote:
They’re to allow traffic to enter at the same time from the same road where they’re taking different exits. It doesn’t mean you don’t have to give way to the right, ie traffic already on the roundabout!!
(Assuming Audi came from the next entrance and didn’t actually enter to the left of the cyclist, at the same time, from the same road)
As usual, impatience and excessive speed seem to compound the issue.
As for Audi drivers, the make is far to common to brand them all as c&nts but a lot of them sure are!
700c wrote:
Audi went through a give way sign when cyclist was on the roundabout. Don’t muddy the waters talking about hand signals.
— 700c So multi lane rounabout; if someone is in any of the lanes no one can enter even if the lane they need is clear? Not much point having multi lane roundabouts then is there?— wycombewheeler They’re to allow traffic to enter at the same time from the same road where they’re taking different exits. It doesn’t mean you don’t have to give way to the right, ie traffic already on the roundabout!! (Assuming Audi came from the next entrance and didn’t actually enter to the left of the cyclist, at the same time, from the same road) As usual, impatience and excessive speed seem to compound the issue. As for Audi drivers, the make is far to common to brand them all as c&nts but a lot of them sure are!— Plasterer's Radio
700c – you can see early on in the footage the Audi driver approaching the entrance to the roundabout on the cyclists left. The Audi most definitely did not come from the same entrance as the cyclist.
craigstitt wrote:
I didn’t spot that earlier, and still can’t be sure it was that Audi. It would put a different complexion on things but the video doesn’t show enough for the police to do anything.
wycombewheeler wrote:
Audi went through a give way sign when cyclist was on the roundabout. Don’t muddy the waters talking about hand signals.
— wycombewheeler So multi lane rounabout; if someone is in any of the lanes no one can enter even if the lane they need is clear? Not much point having multi lane roundabouts then is there?— Plasterer's Radio
Clown. Passed a give way sign and almost collided with another road user.
GIVE WAY SIGN.
Plasterer's Radio wrote:
I assume you apply the same when entering a dual carriageway from a side road? Are all lanes empty? No. best give way then. Motorway slip roads?
In both of these cases those entering should give way.
GIVE WAY
Apparently writing in all caps adds some weight.
wycombewheeler wrote:
Audi went through a give way sign when cyclist was on the roundabout. Don’t muddy the waters talking about hand signals.
— wycombewheeler So multi lane rounabout; if someone is in any of the lanes no one can enter even if the lane they need is clear? Not much point having multi lane roundabouts then is there?— Plasterer's Radio
Clown. Passed a give way sign and almost collided with another road user.
GIVE WAY SIGN.
— wycombewheeler I assume you apply the same when entering a dual carriageway from a side road? Are all lanes empty? No. best give way then. Motorway slip roads? In both of these cases those entering should give way. GIVE WAY Apparently writing in all caps adds some weight.— Plasterer's Radio
What is the Give Way marking for? You are having a lot of difficulty with this one, but then you feel you need to back up your original comment. Why is there a Give Way marking?….
wycombewheeler wrote:
Audi went through a give way sign when cyclist was on the roundabout. Don’t muddy the waters talking about hand signals.
— wycombewheeler So multi lane rounabout; if someone is in any of the lanes no one can enter even if the lane they need is clear? Not much point having multi lane roundabouts then is there?— Plasterer's Radio
Clown. Passed a give way sign and almost collided with another road user.
GIVE WAY SIGN.
— wycombewheeler I assume you apply the same when entering a dual carriageway from a side road? Are all lanes empty? No. best give way then. Motorway slip roads? In both of these cases those entering should give way. GIVE WAY Apparently writing in all caps adds some weight.— Plasterer's Radio
Wycombewheeler…. I would suggest your surrender your driving licence at the current time as you clearly have no clue on how to drive.
The cyclist was on the roundabout, and therefore had priority over the Audi entering the roundabout, no if’s no buts.
The cyclist was positioned in the middle of the lane on the roundabout, so irrespective of whether he was taking the second or third exit at the roundabout the Audi had to give way. Or do you believe in your head that if you were on a roundabout in a car indicating to take the 3rd exit, that a car coming from the direction that the Audi entered has priority over you because the are coming in too fast? Nope didn’t think so.
The lay up of that roundabout makes it clear that someone who is turning left would almost completely avoid the roundabout as the lane to turn left is almost set back from the entrance that the Audi driver joined at.
Motorway and dual carriageway slip roads are a completely different situation, as they are designed to allow you to build up speed and merge with the traffic not give way and stop. Or are you one of those people who is frightened to join a motorway and stops on the slip road?
Rule 259
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should
-give priority to traffic already on the motorway
-check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
-not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
-stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
-remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking.
craigstitt wrote:
I assume you apply the same when entering a dual carriageway from a side road? Are all lanes empty? No. best give way then. Motorway slip roads? In both of these cases those entering should give way. GIVE WAY Apparently writing in all caps adds some weight.— wycombewheeler
Wycombewheeler…. I would suggest your surrender your driving licence at the current time as you clearly have no clue on how to drive.
The cyclist was on the roundabout, and therefore had priority over the Audi entering the roundabout, no if’s no buts.
The cyclist was positioned in the middle of the lane on the roundabout, so irrespective of whether he was taking the second or third exit at the roundabout the Audi had to give way. Or do you believe in your head that if you were on a roundabout in a car indicating to take the 3rd exit, that a car coming from the direction that the Audi entered has priority over you because the are coming in too fast? Nope didn’t think so.
The lay up of that roundabout makes it clear that someone who is turning left would almost completely avoid the roundabout as the lane to turn left is almost set back from the entrance that the Audi driver joined at.
Motorway and dual carriageway slip roads are a completely different situation, as they are designed to allow you to build up speed and merge with the traffic not give way and stop. Or are you one of those people who is frightened to join a motorway and stops on the slip road?
Rule 259
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should
-give priority to traffic already on the motorway
-check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
-not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
-stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
-remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking.— Plasterer's Radio
It’s not about the Audi having priority over the cyclist. The cyclist is in a position appropriate for taking the 3rd exit and the Audi can then use the left lane without impeding the cyclist at all.
If I was in a car taking that position and indicating right I would not take issue with the Audi at all because he has entered the roundabout behind me and not impeded me.
Then the cyclist with no indication wants to take the exit he is almost in line with.
Try freeze frame at 5 seconds in; cyclist in right lane for straight on and turning right Audi in left lane passes. At 1s cyclist is in the correct position for his exit, if he holds this line and signals left after passing 1st exit, there is no problem, (Audi probably then passes him on his right) but he moves from here to the right by 3s (No signal) before trying to move back again (no signal.)
If a driver did that before left hooking a cyclist you would not be here defending the drivers priority.
It’s really simple; give clear indication of your intentions, think ahead and be aware of your surroundings.
There are so many worse close passes out there I do not want the time of the police taken up by people submitting videos like the one above.
Looking at it on google maps
Looking at it on google maps it becomes obvious.
The cyclist was going straight on but in the narrow view we get from his camera it looks like he’s changing lanes when in fact the markings on the road are showing a lane turning left as he approaches the roundabout. It looks like a last second lane change but isn’t as the lane only starts just before the roundabout. The Audi is actually approaching from the left and going at 90 degrees to the bike, so is never behind the cyclist. It looks like the cyclist has changed lanes when what he’s actually doing is starting to avoid the Audi who obviously is not going to stop, maybe because the cyclist is in his blind spot behind the pillar. I’ve had a similar accident at a junction and as a cyclist you instinctively take avoiding action by turning right and braking, eactly what happened here.
What strikes me time after
What strikes me time after time is some cyclists’ ignorance of the facts that they are the weakest and the most vulnerable users of the road, and that they have to do all there is to keep themselves safe.. Failing to indicate, look around you before a junction and not making it absolutely clear where you’re going puts the cyclist at risk, we all know the police won’t do much even if an accident occurs! If a cyclists makes a mistake, they tend to draw the shortest straw, and if a motorist makes a mistake, guess what, same as above. No one can refund you with an another chance to indicate the next time if you’ve been splattered across the road by whatever car it is. This culture sadly sports way too many people who will not behave adequately behind the wheel, therefore expecting them to change for the better is naive, unfortunately, as wrong as that situation is! The cyclists have to make their actions absolutely clear, and the very fact there is a debate about what he was trying to do says enough about his actions.
Also worth adding that if you indicate and make eye contact with drivers means you’re engaging with the traffic around you, and drivers will be more inclined to give you space on the road. Mutual respect works with most people still I’d say.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps
Cyclist is going East to West, Audi is going South to North
Love the click bait on here –
Love the click bait on here –
No Signalling! Really! Do his socks comply with the rules?! NO! Surely this isn’t a cyclist just a bike rider?
In much the same way as all Audi drivers must be dangerous nutters based on the drivel written here. Pretty sure Audis are controlled in the same way as any other car and as for being more powerful – just read the stats of cars, not true.
Does look like poor road design.
Even the diatribes about lack of police response – what we need are new laws properly designed so they can prosecute effectively to end all these close passes.
Oh and all Audi owners (can’t call them drivers) be boiled in the sweated fat from their own loins and then quartered in the proper style befitting English justice.
I’ll just go and get my bike out of the back of my Audi…
Bless you Burt not smiled as much for ages – with your blameless record – love it. My own record is far worse but I am happy to report never an incident with a cyclist .
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So let me understand this.
So let me understand this.
The cyclist is in the right for being in the wrong lane to turn left, with no signals for any other road users to see, but should be allowed to turn left.
The car was a little hasty in the speed area I would think by the look, but if the boot was on the other foot, ie there was a car in the ahead lane that didn’t signal and just went to turn left in front of a cyclist he would be in the wrong too.
Not saying car drivers aren’t prats sometimes, but come on, we all obey the rules of the road, turning left – left hand lane. Going ahead/ turn right – right lane.
Don’t berate a driver for not reading his mind, but for being a little on the quick side.
joolzkite wrote:
As suggested a few comments ago, it might well have been that the driver just pulled out in front of the cyclist when the cyclist was already on the roundabout and had priority to pass across the front of the Audi, regardless of whether the cyclist intended going straight across the roundabout or turning right.
But it’s difficult to be sure from the video where the Audi has come from – from the left, or from behind? Either way, the driver shouldn’t have cut up the cyclist aggressively.
Even if you ride poorly, aggressive driving isn’t justified. Safety – your own and others – first.
So we’re pretty confident (as
So we’re pretty confident on Audi’s point of entry (as is the rider involved) to conclude should have given way as rider was already on roundabout.
That is the rule.
Breaking it was dangerous and trumps any misdeeds from the cyclist (e.g poor lane positioning lack of sgnal)
And anyway he couldn’t even signal to exit as too busy braking to avoid the dickhead !
Lets have a look at the real
Lets have a look at the real roundabout and you’ll see what has really happenened!
This is the view the cyclist has approaching the roundabout. LH lane goes left so he has the other lane but in the video it looks like he moves late. He hasn’t, it’s the lane that’s short. Nothing coming from the right so he proceeds straight across which as you can see is slightly right. Notice the lack of lane markings on the roundabout so there is only one lane.
Once he gets onto the
Once he gets onto the roundabout he’s near the centre when he spots a car approaching from the left that shows no sign of stopping at the give way so starts to take avoiding action by turning to the right and braking hard, both of which need both hands on the bars. You can see the line starting to the right here for the benefit of traffic from the left going straight on.
The pic shows a bit better
The pic shows a bit better where the lines start and the fact that the cyclist was lucky to avoid someone who either didn’t see him or just ignored him
And finally, the view from
And finally, the view from the Audi. Lots of street furniture on the right on the approach so possibly didn’t see him but still inexcusible to just drive straight out into a junction that you can’t see properly.
Thank you mikepridmorewood.
Thank you mikepridmorewood.
I had been reading some of these comments with increasing disbelief!
@mikepridmorewood: great pics
@mikepridmorewood: great pics, thanks.
I agree the Audi driver should have given way – probably the greatest infraction.
The cyclist shouldn’t have cut the roundabout – should have stayed left.
Both need to do better.
My approach to roundabouts
My approach to roundabouts whether cycling or driving is the same: assume that people will do stupid and unexpected things. If you know anyone who’s had a car accident on a roundabout they’ll probably tell you it ended up 50:50 on insurance because its impossible to prove fault. Navigating a roundabout is largely based on assumptions about what the other party is going to do, and being able to adjust your driving when those assumptions when they’re wrong.
The HC advice about riding around the outside of a roundabout seems to invite conflict with drivers. They’ll expect someone to be taking the 1st or 2nd exit in that situation, definitely not the third. If its a straight-through four-armed roundabout and you’re taking the third exit on a bike you’re risking a driver straight-lining the roundabout about speed and t-boning you. You’ll also get called Big Swears if you do it (probably slightly smaller swears if you take the lane but less risk of getting totalled by the straight through high speed driver.)
Right, off to play on the 8 roundabouts on my commute home 😀
I have resisted for too long.
I have resisted for too long…
I have linked to it before.
I give you Audis in Houses
ktache wrote:
Finally, a beacon of sense in this senseless debate.
It’s astounding that people
It’s astounding that people are using ‘the lane is clear’ or ‘well, what would you do on a dual carriageway’ arguments.
This is a roundabout! People are going to be changing lanes to exit, if they’re going round. You can’t just assume someone on inside lane is going to carry on in that lane. The Audi didn’t necessarily know which entrance the cyclist used and therefore whether he was about to change lanes and exit properly, or ‘take the racing line’ as he ill-advisably did.
This is why you give way to traffic already on the roundabout.
No way would I have proceeded with a cyclist already on. But then I drive a volvo.
I’m surprised to see so much
I’m surprised to see so much debate on this one (irony!).
The reality is much simpler that most are making it our to be.
Regardless of priorities, signals, choice of lane or speed the driver of the Audi passed another vehicle on the inside (left in the UK). That very clearly puts the driver in the wrong.
The reason drivers must not pass on the inside in the UK is exactly because the vehicle in the right hand lane might move to the left.
shay cycles wrote:
yet more drivel, I hope to god you’re not a driving instructor or have any cause to be in charge of a motorvehicle. This is NOT overtaking as you are describing and the rules on a motorway or d/c do not apply in this instance. The motorist pulls into a CLEAR LANE, AFTER the cyclist and holds his lane. the cyclist however contrary to the highway code moves into an unclear lane without checking nor indicating notwithstanding he was in the wrong lane in the first place so shouldn’t have tried cutting the lanes.
The reality is you and many on here have no idea what you’re talking about and simply want to ignore the rules of the road and make up ones that don’t exist.
Reverse the roles here and people on here would be accusing the car driving of deliberately driving toward the cyclist.
Suggest those thinking the car is at fault go get some training both for cycling and for car driving!
I’m glad the police took no action but they should have warned the idiot on the bike about HIS actions.
I was going to defend Audi
I was going to defend Audi drivers as I drive an A3 estate myself (lots of room for bike and family), but an Audi passenger lobbed an empty bottle of coke at me today as I was riding through Weybridge. Maybe the passengers are worse….
But the car driver is not
But the car driver is not undertaking or overtaking the cyclist – he is joining the roundabout from the left – straight in front of the cyclist who then has to brake and swerve to avoid. You get a glimpse of the Audi about 3 seconds into the video as it approaches the roundabout and enters it without giving way.
It looks like poor judgement
It looks like poor judgement on the drivers part to me. Every time I approach the entry to a roundabout, both as a cyclist and a driver, I assume that the person already on the roundabout will do something unpredictable, especially if they are not indicating.
The driver did not know the intentions of the cyclist and should have therefore waited until those intentions became clear. Yes the cyclist’s positioning could be better perhaps and they could have indicated, but at the same time they weren’t indicating to go around the roundabout either.