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@mdavidford True, but why limit the assessment of such incidents to those cherry picked for this article?

"I would even suggest that a rider on the TT bike with thier hands on the skis can still reach the brakes as quickly as a rider on a regular road bike with their hand on the top of the bars. In neother case are they covering the brakes with either hand and both would require a movement to cover it in a split second. So the bike is not in question, its the rider and their skill level." I think this statement is probably correct, but what it ignores is that riders usually use the top of the bars for riding uphill so the speed is a lot slower than when on a tt bike so the rider will have more reaction time for a given situation. Although you are correct to say that no bike is inherently dangerous we are really discussing bikes with riders on them and for the same rider a tt bike is more difficult to control in anything other than a straight line with no sidewind.

Dear Road.cc, please check your emails - I sent an email yesterday evening asking for an original copy of the photo one of you took yesterday of LCC's cycling festival/iBike London ride. Cheers :)

@Steve K Lib Dems and "good" in one sentence. Nah, never happened

@Paul J Those trispoke wheels sound absolutely lethal. I think their use and sales should be banned. The point you are missing here is that just because an aspect of bike design is perceived, without any context, as being more dangerous, it doesn't automatically follow that it should be banned. My argument is that the bike has to be ridden appropriately for the road conditions. Excessive speed in the wrong place is far more dangerous than TT bike geometry or trispoke wheels.

@didsthewinegeek What on earth does that mean? A cheap GPS speedometer means a cheap GPS speedometer, if you don't know what one of them is then I'm afraid I can't help you.

@Paul J You need to READ whay I am saying cos you clearly do not get it. There is nothing inherently dangerous about a bike of any kind. Its 2 wheels, a frame, bars, groupset etc. There is nothing that makes that bike dangerous. A road bike in the wrong hands could be more likely involved in an incident than a TT bike in the hands of an experienced rider. The BIKE is not dangerous. The persons ability to handle it may make it appear more or less, but the inanimate object is not the danger. But tell me what is more dangerous: a road bike with no clip on skis but the rider is not holding the bars close to the brakes, maybe resting their hands on the top of the bars (like people used to do) and have their hands nowhere near the brake levers or a TT bike where the rider has their hands near the brakes not out front but actually on the bar ends near the brake levers? which is more dangerous? And I don't care what Mr Blackbird says, he's not the authority on bike safety and neither are you or I. I would even suggest that a rider on the TT bike with thier hands on the skis can still reach the brakes as quickly as a rider on a regular road bike with their hand on the top of the bars. In neother case are they covering the brakes with either hand and both would require a movement to cover it in a split second. So the bike is not in question, its the rider and their skill level.

@Smoggysteve The raison d'etre of a TT bike is the squashed in position on the skis, and riders are going to train in the position they race generally. If that position is banned, and puppy paws are banned, riders will generally not use them in training... cause... they're training to be able to hold their race position. For a road bike position they'll be training to hold a position with their hands on the hoods just above the levers, and arms level - the fastest position on a road bike and UCI legal competition.

@Rendel Harris So a cheap GPS speedometer isn't unqualified speak for a speed gun?

@Rendel Harris Well, in that case its impossible to say TT bikes are more dangerous. And that is my point entirely. But you could use times where TT bikes are used on open roads like Club 10s. There is a very commonly used one near me in Renfrewshire that's used by a whole manner of clubs. I can see on many Wednesday evenings dozens of riders - some on TT bikes , some on road bikes competing. I see no statistic from my time wathcing and competing in theses events that the TT bikes are involved in more incidents than the non TT bikes. And that is anecdotal but I have watched many event and I don't see a highly elevated danger at all. if there were they would be banned or discouraged. but they aint and that probably speaks more than someone who has very little experience riding them (in the case of Paul J) to decide what is dangerous and what isnt.