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clayfit wrote:

Apparently 6 months cycling helps with cognitive problems.  

Doesn’t seem to have worked for Wiggins.

Making fun of Sir Bradders and depression wasn't funny on the other thread either, you and the others would do well to grow up a bit.

BOhio wrote:

However, cyclists, as is sometimes the case out here, riding 2 or 3 or 4 abreast at < 15 mph in a paved road lane that is posted at 45 mph for cars, are hurting the cause. 

Welcome to the discussion, BOhio. Have a look at this (mirror the images in your head for  countries such as yours where everyone drives on the "wrong" side of the road, as opposed to driving on the left - which is the "right" side).   

BOhio wrote:

However, cyclists, as is sometimes the case out here, riding 2 or 3 or 4 abreast at < 15 mph in a paved road lane that is posted at 45 mph for cars, are hurting the cause. 

That's utter bollocks.

Does every tractor or combine driver moving at 15mph "hurt their cause"? Horse riders? Amish folk in their pony-and-trap? No.

A 45mph limit is the maximum speed you should use, providing the road conditions are favourable, not what you set your cruise control to.

You're just another stereotype BMW owner thinking that because they've bought an overpriced car that they own the road as well. Let me tell you sonny: you don't. Never have, never will. So quit cryin' into your overpriced frothy coffee about it.

YOU need to start respecting other road users regardless of their speed. When you show a little respect then you and the rest of us might just have something in common.

Until then, YOU are the problem.

Regarding litter, you obviously haven't seen the rubbish alongside the country lanes where I ride to work. It's entirely thrown from cars: beer and energy drink cans, Lucozade and other fizzy drink bottle, McD packaging and other convenience foods - chip wrappers, crisp packets, choc bar wrappers etc etc. Not a gel or SiS wrapper to be seen. Not even an occasional banana skin!

Simon E wrote:

BOhio wrote:

However, cyclists, as is sometimes the case out here, riding 2 or 3 or 4 abreast at < 15 mph in a paved road lane that is posted at 45 mph for cars, are hurting the cause. 

That's utter bollocks.

Does every tractor or combine driver moving at 15mph "hurt their cause"? Horse riders? Amish folk in their pony-and-trap? No.

A 45mph limit is the maximum speed you should use, providing the road conditions are favourable, not what you set your cruise control to.

You're just another stereotype BMW owner thinking that because they've bought an overpriced car that they own the road as well. Let me tell you sonny: you don't. Never have, never will. So quit cryin' into your overpriced frothy coffee about it.

YOU need to start respecting other road users regardless of their speed. When you show a little respect then you and the rest of us might just have something in common.

Until then, YOU are the problem.

Regarding litter, you obviously haven't seen the rubbish alongside the country lanes where I ride to work. It's entirely thrown from cars: beer and energy drink cans, Lucozade and other fizzy drink bottle, McD packaging and other convenience foods - chip wrappers, crisp packets, choc bar wrappers etc etc. Not a gel or SiS wrapper to be seen. Not even an occasional banana skin!

All this.

BOhio, when I'm sitting behind a queue of traffic because there's no room to get safely past either nearside or offside, every single one of those motorists are in effect doing what you are saying some people on bikes do. Except motorists and their vehicles hold up everyone far more often and at far slower speeds than even a toddler can cycle at, or are you ignorant of the extreme traffic jams that MOTORISTS cause, in every country in the world?

The sad fact is that too many people who ride bikes are basically brught up to think from a young age that cyclists should get out the way, they're basically motorists with a motorists attitude that happen to ride bikes. the US is one of the worst in the world for cycle safety, not to mention unlawful police action against people riding bikes as they are allowed. The car/motor centric culture is massive in the US, worse than anywhere else.

Have a long hard think as to why your way of thinking is utterly wrong.

BOhio wrote:

We're car people; we enjoy our M series BMWs. However, we're also cycling people. (I've been riding for fitness, etc. since 1982, when I also bought my first car BTW...)

Close passing vehicles, even here in the colonies, are probably the result of 1) drivers thinking cyclists should be elsewhere, 2) drivers being careless, 3) drivers being ignorant, or 4) drivers being aggressive. I have disdain for all of them, because what the world needs is more cyclists and less driving. 

However, cyclists, as is sometimes the case out here, riding 2 or 3 or 4 abreast at < 15 mph in a paved road lane that is posted at 45 mph for cars, are hurting the cause. 

More common courtesy and mutual respect can only help. Empathy too. Lastly, cyclists who toss litter (including banana peels) while riding are no different than motorists who do the same. I don't care if your banana peel is biodegradable. So is a poo-filled nappy. Keep it off my road. What you bring on your ride needs to go home with you.

Professional-level whataboutery.

Try harder. No - sorry, I meant go and fuck yourself with something enormous.

davel wrote:

BOhio wrote:

We're car people; we enjoy our M series BMWs. However, we're also cycling people. (I've been riding for fitness, etc. since 1982, when I also bought my first car BTW...)

Close passing vehicles, even here in the colonies, are probably the result of 1) drivers thinking cyclists should be elsewhere, 2) drivers being careless, 3) drivers being ignorant, or 4) drivers being aggressive. I have disdain for all of them, because what the world needs is more cyclists and less driving. 

However, cyclists, as is sometimes the case out here, riding 2 or 3 or 4 abreast at < 15 mph in a paved road lane that is posted at 45 mph for cars, are hurting the cause. 

More common courtesy and mutual respect can only help. Empathy too. Lastly, cyclists who toss litter (including banana peels) while riding are no different than motorists who do the same. I don't care if your banana peel is biodegradable. So is a poo-filled nappy. Keep it off my road. What you bring on your ride needs to go home with you.

Professional-level whataboutery.

Try harder. No - sorry, I meant go and fuck yourself with something enormous.

Be nice. 'Tis the season, after all.  

CygnusX1 wrote:

davel wrote:

BOhio wrote:

We're car people; we enjoy our M series BMWs. However, we're also cycling people. (I've been riding for fitness, etc. since 1982, when I also bought my first car BTW...)

Close passing vehicles, even here in the colonies, are probably the result of 1) drivers thinking cyclists should be elsewhere, 2) drivers being careless, 3) drivers being ignorant, or 4) drivers being aggressive. I have disdain for all of them, because what the world needs is more cyclists and less driving. 

However, cyclists, as is sometimes the case out here, riding 2 or 3 or 4 abreast at < 15 mph in a paved road lane that is posted at 45 mph for cars, are hurting the cause. 

More common courtesy and mutual respect can only help. Empathy too. Lastly, cyclists who toss litter (including banana peels) while riding are no different than motorists who do the same. I don't care if your banana peel is biodegradable. So is a poo-filled nappy. Keep it off my road. What you bring on your ride needs to go home with you.

Professional-level whataboutery.

Try harder. No - sorry, I meant go and fuck yourself with something enormous.

Be nice. 'Tis the season, after all.  

He's incapable. Davel is quite an unpleasant character, like quite a few on this site I might add.

wingmanrob wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:

davel wrote:

BOhio wrote:

We're car people; we enjoy our M series BMWs. However, we're also cycling people. (I've been riding for fitness, etc. since 1982, when I also bought my first car BTW...)

Close passing vehicles, even here in the colonies, are probably the result of 1) drivers thinking cyclists should be elsewhere, 2) drivers being careless, 3) drivers being ignorant, or 4) drivers being aggressive. I have disdain for all of them, because what the world needs is more cyclists and less driving. 

However, cyclists, as is sometimes the case out here, riding 2 or 3 or 4 abreast at < 15 mph in a paved road lane that is posted at 45 mph for cars, are hurting the cause. 

More common courtesy and mutual respect can only help. Empathy too. Lastly, cyclists who toss litter (including banana peels) while riding are no different than motorists who do the same. I don't care if your banana peel is biodegradable. So is a poo-filled nappy. Keep it off my road. What you bring on your ride needs to go home with you.

Professional-level whataboutery.

Try harder. No - sorry, I meant go and fuck yourself with something enormous ensuring you're well lubricated first.

Be nice. 'Tis the season, after all.  

He's incapable. Davel is quite an unpleasant character, like quite a few on this site I might add.

Better?

davel wrote:

BOhio wrote:

We're car people; we enjoy our M series BMWs. However, we're also cycling people. (I've been riding for fitness, etc. since 1982, when I also bought my first car BTW...)

Close passing vehicles, even here in the colonies, are probably the result of 1) drivers thinking cyclists should be elsewhere, 2) drivers being careless, 3) drivers being ignorant, or 4) drivers being aggressive. I have disdain for all of them, because what the world needs is more cyclists and less driving. 

However, cyclists, as is sometimes the case out here, riding 2 or 3 or 4 abreast at < 15 mph in a paved road lane that is posted at 45 mph for cars, are hurting the cause. 

More common courtesy and mutual respect can only help. Empathy too. Lastly, cyclists who toss litter (including banana peels) while riding are no different than motorists who do the same. I don't care if your banana peel is biodegradable. So is a poo-filled nappy. Keep it off my road. What you bring on your ride needs to go home with you.

Professional-level whataboutery.

Try harder. No - sorry, I meant go and fuck yourself with something enormous.

Poor response, Davel.

BOhio wrote:

We're car people; we enjoy our M series BMWs. However, we're also cycling people. (I've been riding for fitness, etc. since 1982, when I also bought my first car BTW...)

Close passing vehicles, even here in the colonies, are probably the result of 1) drivers thinking cyclists should be elsewhere, 2) drivers being careless, 3) drivers being ignorant, or 4) drivers being aggressive. I have disdain for all of them, because what the world needs is more cyclists and less driving. 

However, cyclists, as is sometimes the case out here, riding 2 or 3 or 4 abreast at < 15 mph in a paved road lane that is posted at 45 mph for cars, are hurting the cause. 

More common courtesy and mutual respect can only help. Empathy too. Lastly, cyclists who toss litter (including banana peels) while riding are no different than motorists who do the same. I don't care if your banana peel is biodegradable. So is a poo-filled nappy. Keep it off my road. What you bring on your ride needs to go home with you.

You're right about individual responsibility with litter. If you use it, then you should dispose of it safely.

I just wish motorists did the same with their fuel - instead they just blow it out of their exhaust. Keep it out of my air! At least it doesn't kill too many people.

HawkinsPeter wrote:

BOhio wrote:

We're car people; we enjoy our M series BMWs. However, we're also cycling people. (I've been riding for fitness, etc. since 1982, when I also bought my first car BTW...)

Close passing vehicles, even here in the colonies, are probably the result of 1) drivers thinking cyclists should be elsewhere, 2) drivers being careless, 3) drivers being ignorant, or 4) drivers being aggressive. I have disdain for all of them, because what the world needs is more cyclists and less driving. 

However, cyclists, as is sometimes the case out here, riding 2 or 3 or 4 abreast at < 15 mph in a paved road lane that is posted at 45 mph for cars, are hurting the cause. 

More common courtesy and mutual respect can only help. Empathy too. Lastly, cyclists who toss litter (including banana peels) while riding are no different than motorists who do the same. I don't care if your banana peel is biodegradable. So is a poo-filled nappy. Keep it off my road. What you bring on your ride needs to go home with you.

You're right about individual responsibility with litter. If you use it, then you should dispose of it safely.

I just wish motorists did the same with their fuel - instead they just blow it out of their exhaust. Keep it out of my air! At least it doesn't kill too many people.

Very much agree. I’ve often thought perhaps the occupants of motor vehicles should breath the product of there exhaust first, pumped into the cabin of the vehicle, it would focus the mind as to where or not they really need to drive. 

alansmurphy wrote:

Why does the car drop back so much? On the phone or to build up speed to ensure any accident is terminal?

It wasn't the original car, no idea why that one dropped back,  but the idiot doing the close pass is clearly seen overtaking cars beforehand.

Simmo72 wrote:

alansmurphy wrote:

Why does the car drop back so much? On the phone or to build up speed to ensure any accident is terminal?

 

It wasn't the original car, no idea why that one dropped back,  but the idiot doing the close pass is clearly seen overtaking cars beforehand.

It’s a 20mph road, I think the Volvo that dropped back slowed for the pinch point then was simply doing the speed limit and angry BMW driver couldn’t cope with it. Must have been doing well over 40mph by the time he close passed James. Isn’t being caught doing double the limit an automatic 12 month ban?

BMW also wrong sided the traffic island.