Live blog: Active travel campaigners slam Budget, Italian ex-pro dies in plane crash, £330 Bournemouth prom cycling fine + more

JohnnyRemo wrote:

"They cause cars to overtake into oncoming traffic

Oh how I love this one: a clear confession that the driver is not in control of their car and hence had no way of preventing it from swerving into the oncoming traffic.

rkemb wrote:

JohnnyRemo wrote:

"They cause cars to overtake into oncoming traffic

Oh how I love this one: a clear confession that the driver is not in control of their car and hence had no way of preventing it from swerving into the oncoming traffic.

It’s the sense of entitlement that does it. “The speed limit is 30mph, therefore I am entitled to travel at 30mph no matter what.” Well, no, that’s not how it works.

rkemb wrote:

JohnnyRemo wrote:

"They cause cars to overtake into oncoming traffic

Oh how I love this one: a clear confession that the driver is not in control of their car and hence had no way of preventing it from swerving into the oncoming traffic.

I think we'd always assumed motor vehicles were like bicycles (short of a mechanical failure, the rider is completely in control of them) when clearly they're actually more like horses (and horsists are constantly reminding us that they have very little control over their two tonnes of very nervous and jumpy still-almost-wild animal).

A440 wrote:

£330 is  too lenient.

People who think they are above the law should, and will, be made to pay, entitled cyclists are no exception.

I'd be happy to agree if the same standards were applied to motorists as well.

A440 wrote:

£330 is  too lenient.

People who think they are above the law should, and will, be made to pay, entitled cyclists are no exception.

Ooh, Charles Bronson! Go on, baby, make me pay! Make me pay 'til I beg for more! Wear your superhero mask for me, big boy!

kil0ran wrote:

Random thought in response to the Bournemouth article; does dabbing count as cycling? That somewhat archaic practice of having one foot on a pedal and using the other to scoot along like a scooter user?

Given that even pushing a bike down the pavement is technically illegal - you should carry it - I would imagine “dabbing” would also fall foul of this.

vonhelmet wrote:

kil0ran wrote:

Random thought in response to the Bournemouth article; does dabbing count as cycling? That somewhat archaic practice of having one foot on a pedal and using the other to scoot along like a scooter user?

Given that even pushing a bike down the pavement is technically illegal - you should carry it - I would imagine “dabbing” would also fall foul of this.

I don't believe that pushing a bike is technically illegal - got any references for that?

From this article http://www.bikehub.co.uk/featured-articles/cycling-and-the-law/ :

Quote:

Anyone pushing a bicycle is a “foot-passenger” (Crank v Brooks [1980] RTR 441) and is not riding it or driving it (Selby). In his judgment in the Court of Appeal in Crank v Brooks, Waller LJ said: “In my judgment a person who is walking across a pedestrian crossing pushing a bicycle, having started on the pavement on one side on her feet and not on the bicycle, and going across pushing the bicycle with both feet on the ground so to speak is clearly a ‘foot passenger’. If for example she had been using it as a scooter by having one foot on the pedal and pushing herself along, she would not have been a ‘foot passenger’. But the fact that she had the bicycle in her hand and was walking does not create any difference from a case where she is walking without a bicycle in her hand.”

Scooting on a bike (I'm pretty sure that dabbing is something entirely different in modern vernacular) would thus be considered to be riding it.

vonhelmet wrote:

kil0ran wrote:

Random thought in response to the Bournemouth article; does dabbing count as cycling? That somewhat archaic practice of having one foot on a pedal and using the other to scoot along like a scooter user?

Given that even pushing a bike down the pavement is technically illegal - you should carry it

Not true https://www.cyclinguk.org/cycle/scooting-cycling

kil0ran wrote:

Random thought in response to the Bournemouth article; does dabbing count as cycling? That somewhat archaic practice of having one foot on a pedal and using the other to scoot along like a scooter user?

Scooting, or dabbing as you call it, is as far as I know, technically legal as you aren't riding the bike.  I'm sue I've read legal opinion about this, but perhaps someone with more knowledge than me could elucidate?

Found this, https://www.cyclinguk.org/cycle/scooting-cycling which makes it clear that pushing your bike with both feet on the ground is definitely legal.

ClubSmed wrote:

£330 fine is rediculous when compared with what drivers get for more dangerous offences, however, the cyclist was stupid to get back on his bike within sight of the original "ranger" after being informed of the ban. When taking into account the situation and that he was let off and then decided to try and take advantage he probably deserved a good chunk of what he got.

Fixed that 

ClubSmed wrote:

£330 fine is rediculous when compared with what drivers get for more dangerous offences, 

Such as running over an elederly man who'd fallen into the road, despite the car 100m ahead managing to swerve around him, while driving your car with a defective headlamp, on the (handsfree) phone to your boyfriend arranging to meet up (presumably for some rumpy pumpy), failing to stop, turning around, coming back, and then skulking away when spotting it was in fact a person she'd hit (as she suspected, despite having said she thought it was rubbinh but suspected it was a person - go figure that out).
Depriving a family of a family member and she's fined 500 for leaving the scene, not for the intial accident, or the defective lights.