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Live blog: N Yorks campaigner calls for infrastructure not prestige events, Addison Lee plans to put driverless cabs in London by 2021, sneak peek at the new Pinarello gravel bike + more
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Mon, Oct 22, 2018 14:19
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Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.
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kil0ran 1 hour ago
I was a few bikes away from the fatal collision during Ride London a few years ago, I barely avoided the victim's dog which was running loose. Definitely one of those slo-mo adrenaline fuelled moments and I was only doing about 40kph. At lead out speeds it really doesn't bear thinking about.
open_roads 1 hour ago
@Xenophon2 "That’s a lot of batteries to keep track of, to the point that I have a dedicated charger with 3 m USB-C cable in my office, another one at home. Can’t imagine having to deal with another battery such as on the Flight Attendant." Top tip: In reality most of the SRAM stuff lasts a month or two even with pretty heavy usage. I just charge all the batteries on the last Sunday of every month and have yet to be caught out. The SRAM batteries are so cheap / small / light it's also worth keeping a spare in a saddle bag or similar.
ajuk.uk@gmail.com 2 hours ago
@chrisonabike There does seem to be evidence that 20 mph limits work on roads that already lend themselves to such low speeds, and I do think the lack of a 25 mph limit option is an issue for some roads. Speed limits should especially not be set very low in the hope that many or most drivers will only exceed them by a set amount because, not only is it not true that many people drive like that, the opposite can happen. Instead of targeting the drivers most likely to cause harm, you're putting the prohibition onto the behaviour of more sensible drivers and forcing the police to target them. The DfT guidance used to have a paragraph calling out this presumption. The extent to which road design and conditions at the time dictate traffic speeds is too stark to ignore. I've seen urban roads with signed 40 mph limits have lower average speeds than some roads with posted 20 mph limits. And yes, that road in Gloucester has signs openly inviting drivers to go faster, and almost none of them do: the non-compliance was about 2%. Compare that to over 99% non-compliance on some roads in Wales. What I'm mainly talking about is the increasing imposition of 20 mph limits on much higher-standard main roads. That's where you see extreme levels of non-compliance. In some cases, the average speed has even been known to go up after the limit has gone down. Showing such contempt just brings speed limits into disrepute and my contention is that drivers should take speed limits seriously.
ajuk.uk@gmail.com 2 hours ago
@chrisonabike There does seem to be evidence that 20 mph limits work on roads that already lend themselves to such low speeds, and I do think the lack of a 25 mph limit option is an issue for some roads. Speed limits should especially not be set very low in the hope that many or most drivers will only exceed them by a set amount because, not only is it not true that many people drive like that, the opposite can happen. Instead of targeting the drivers most likely to cause harm, you're putting the prohibition onto the behaviour of more sensible drivers and forcing the police to target them. The DfT guidance used to have a paragraph calling out this presumption. The extent to which road design and conditions at the time dictate traffic speeds is too stark to ignore. I've seen urban roads with signed 40 mph limits have lower average speeds than some roads with posted 20 mph limits. And yes, that road in Gloucester has signs openly inviting drivers to go faster, and almost none of them do: the non-compliance was about 2%. Compare that to over 99% non-compliance on some roads in Wales. So no, when speed limits match the road, compliance is much higher, but speeds are not. What I'm mainly talking about is the increasing imposition of 20 mph limits on much higher-standard main roads. That's where you see extreme levels of non-compliance. In some cases, the average speed has even been known to go up after the limit has gone down. Showing such contempt just brings speed limits into disrepute and my contention is that drivers should take speed limits seriously.
Rendel Harris 2 hours ago
@jaymack Yes...to an extent, and I'm happy at the moment with my twelve-year-old Dura Ace mechanical, but I must admit when I had Ultegra Di2 I did notice not so much the ease of shifting but the perfect trimming of the gears after every shift so that the chainline was always absolutely perfect and that did enhance the simple pleasure of being outside, for me anyway. At least until that day I forgot to charge the battery which died at the turnaround on an eighty-mile ride and had to ride a very lumpy forty miles home stuck in 50x14...
Rendel Harris 3 hours ago
@Daclu Trelub Well no, given that I object to the use of derogatory slurs against people with mental health issues I think I'll "bother" the person who's using derogatory slurs against people with mental health issues. Have a little think, if capable: if your mother or someone else close to you had dementia or mental health issues, would you be happy for people to be pointing at them mockingly saying, "Looks like she's a few chips short of a fish supper"? Stop it.
Daclu Trelub 3 hours ago
@Rendel Harris Go and bother somebody else with your opinion.
jaymack 3 hours ago
I'm sure electronic gears, pedals, seat posts etc. are each a modern marvel but they all seem to solve a problem I've never encountered. However I have encountered others faffing while searching for batteries, cables and even a firmware update. All of which just gets in the way of cycling's simple pleasure - being outside
Rendel Harris 3 hours ago
@Daclu Trelub Yeah...that sort of expression is OK when being jocular about someone who's a bit dense or slow on the uptake, is it really appropriate for someone who quite obviously has mental health/dementia issues?
24 thoughts on “Live blog: N Yorks campaigner calls for infrastructure not prestige events, Addison Lee plans to put driverless cabs in London by 2021, sneak peek at the new Pinarello gravel bike + more”
I do hope both Alex Dowsett
I do hope both Alex Dowsett and Chris Boardman have a punch up to decide this, it’s the only real way to find out who’s most right*
*that and graphs obvs. Everyone knows a graph always wins a debate.
I think we’re beyond graphs.
I think we’re beyond graphs. After St Sir Chris Lord Boardman’s latest vanquishing of the most recent addition to the Order of the Helmets, nothing less than a tapestry will do.
Just how small is the number Alex can count to, or are we really expected to believe that he hears multiple hundreds of stories per day. Also, loads of my friends tell me of the good times they have when pissed, countless stories. Should we make alcohol consumption mandatory?
I say this as someone who had a positive experience of a collision and a helmet, I still don’t think it needs to be compulsory…
Chris Boardman and Superman
Chris Boardman and Superman once had such a heated arguments about helmets that they bet that the loser would wear their underpants on the outside.
Cycling into Manchester (from
Cycling into Manchester (from the North West – Liverpool Street) is a joke at the moment. Roadworks on other nearby roads is forcing too much traffic into too small a volume of roads and the traffic lights at some junctions are just pointless as people just drive through them. Some cyclists too, sure, but absolutely shitloads of cars.
Chris Boardman was banned
Chris Boardman was banned from participating in time trails after the judge sentenced time to life imprisonment.
So if driverless cars a made
So if driverless cars a made to brake if there is an obstruction ahead then surely the safest place to cycle would be in front of one?
Ratfink wrote:
Only if the tech “sees” the cyclist, and that is the nub of the problem with driverless car in a nutshell.
usedtobefaster wrote:
Would take my chances with the tech versus the average Addison Lee driver!
gonedownhill wrote:
Good point …
usedtobefaster wrote:
And in the case or Mercedes cars, whether it chooses to prioritise people inside the car or outside of it.
When Chris Boardman crosses
When Chris Boardman crosses the road, the cars look both ways.
hawkinspeter wrote:
Chris Boardman doesn’t cross the road. The opposite pavement comes to him.
davel wrote:
I was going to ask “why does Chris Boardman cross the road?”, but no-one questions Chris Boardman’s intentions.
hawkinspeter wrote:
There is no ‘Chris Boardman’s intentions’; there is only ‘Chris Boardman does’ and ‘Chris Boardman does not’.
davel wrote:
I heard that Chris Boardman sleeps with a nightlight on – not because he’s afraid of the dark, but because the dark is afraid of him.
.. hang on a min.. the
.. hang on a min.. the ‘Grevil gravel bike’… all I can think of is G G G Granville the G G G Grevil G G G Gravel bike…
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… WTF… is that Alex Dowsett, he’s getting everywhere today!
Dowsett vs Boardman sums up
Dowsett vs Boardman sums up the helmet debate; one uses myths, rumours and apocryphal stories, the other uses facts, research and data. ‘Nuff said.
Except perhaps from “shut up Alex until you have the faintest idea what you’re talking about.”
The scary thing is that many
The scary thing is that many are saying, we don’t want compulsion but compulsion via the back door by encouraging people to wear them, all the whilst utterly ignoring the stats both for professional racing types, amateur racers and the ‘others’, also ignoring that head injuries sans helmets riding a bike is massively less than walking, driving and most other activities.
Or maybe types like Dowsett think the 1.3million annually reported head injuries (A figure accepted by the head injury orgs in the UK) are totally false, the c.160,000 hospital admittances from such are also false OR that they are all cyclists?
Given that the official figures are c.3100 serious cyclists injured (and the majority caused by errent motorists) maybe he thinks somehow this number are all head injuries and that somehow even if they were this is a much bigger issue than 160,000 that are admitted to hospital.
As I’ve said elsewhere when you have a ratio greater than 1000:1 if just comparing the admittances alone to 50% of all (seriously) injured cyclists being to the head, to then only promote helmets for people on bikes is not only ludicrous, it’s ignorant of basic stats, ignorant of studies that show the effects of helmet wearing.
It’s insideous creep, sickening and a slippery slope of only making matters worse as we have seen in the UK, in France, in US, in Canada, in Australia, in NZ, basically any country you want to pick that has seen significant increases in helmet wearing or compulsion. Time and again this has been shown to be true.
So we get compulsary helmet wearing and if you don’t, then what, NSW levels of fines that the police only focus on instead of killer drivers, and from that more injuries and deaths of cyclists who are then forced off the roads, more victim blaming by police, government, judges and cycling organisations?
DOWSETT YOU IGNORANT UNEDUCATED CUNT, YOUR WAY MAKES CYCLING MORE DANGEROUS AND PUTS ME AT MORE RISK, GO FUCK YOURSELF!
If I headbutt something then
If I headbutt something then I’d want to be wearing a helmet – I’d stand with Dowsett.
Thing is, I’d rather not headbutt anything at all – Boardman for PM!
2Loose wrote:
For ‘headbutting’, I hear you.
But most definitions of ‘headbutt’ don’t include drivers rear-ending, t-boning or left-hooking you, and helmets are a weird fixation in relation to such situations.
And I’d also rather not head
And I’d also rather not head but anything regardless of my mode of transport or activity.
Dowsett knew the reaction his tweet would get and was just being an attention whore.
The real debate here is how
The real debate here is how has Still Open All Hours ran for as long as Open All Hours? By eck they didn’t make much telly in them days.
Organon wrote:
That’s a tricky one.
Do we go by the time period or the number of series? The original ran from 1973 to 1985 although 1973 was just the pilot episode, so we might want to consider 1976 to 1985. Still Open All Hours has been running since 2013, so that’s just 5 years. If we go by series, then the original only had 4 series and the new one has just started its 5th series.
I can see the arguments carrying on for a long time.