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Live blog: Netherlands to ban cyclists from using phones while riding; 12 hours, 100 miles, 12 years old! LEJOG in a recumbent bathtub + more
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Fri, Sep 28, 2018 15:38
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MaxiMinimalist 25 minutes ago
@the little onion Hit the deck because a pedestrian crossed the road while the light was green for road traffic. I shouted "watch out!", she froze then reversed while I was riding around her from behind. Bang! A pedestrian collided with me and my bike while crossing the road when it was forbidden. Crikey!
MaxiMinimalist 43 minutes ago
And there would be no discussion about "dangerous and speeding cyclists" which has yet to be defined.
check12 56 minutes ago
Motivated - this is the mur Strava top 10 for men and women, times are not similar at all - Women top 10 - 3:48-4:07 Men top 10 - 3:04-3:14
AndyPara 57 minutes ago
She should be campaigning to teach pedestrians to look both ways before crossing, instead.
the little onion 1 hour ago
Having being quite badly bruised in an unavoidable collision with a pedestrian who ran out into the road without looking, as a cyclist I want a crackdown on those dangerous pedestrians who walk into roads without looking. The potential for fatalities goes both directions, on both pedestrians and cyclists.
Clem Fandango 1 hour ago
So long as we have speed limits & culpability for ignoring "traffic signals" & the like (looking at you Gove) for pedestrians & horse riders too - might as well get ahead on things whilst we're at it & future proof this essential legislation before someone gets killed by one of them. Whilst we're at it, pedestrians should have registration numbers tattoed to their foreheads, be forced to wear hi-viz whenever outdoors & pay "road tax" to cover the cost of all that incredibly well designed (cough cough) pedestrian infrastructure that is clearly part of the "war on drivers," as well as the street lighting that the free loading swines take advantage of on a daily basis.
ziadvanbeek 2 hours ago
@Motivated When I look at the Mur de Huy segment on Strava I see the top male is at 3'4" while the top woman is at 3'48", which would land her 130th position in the men's. Very fast indeed but not that close.
StuInNorway 2 hours ago
So again we have one of those rare, tragic, cases where a cyclist and pedestrian collide and the pedestrian dies as a result. Again we have a case of a pedestrian who stepped out in front of a moving vehicle without looking properly, giving the cyclist little to no chance to avoid them, much like the Charlie Anniston case (although his biek was illegal, tests by Police showed even on a normal bike with good brakes he probably couldn't have avoided the collision), also the case in South London, where a pedestrian ran across on a red man, and a cyclist hit them, (Here the cyclist absolutely should have been prosecuted for the illegal spec e-bike and failing to stop, but the pedestrian ran into the SIDE of his front wheel as shown on CCTV from a shop beside the road) Now we have an elderly woman who has stepped out directly ahead of not one, but a group of cyclists. When did we last hear calls to change the laws for drivers when someone stepped out so close in front of a car that the driver had no chance to avoid them ?
Oldfatgit 2 hours ago
Maybe, the authorities should work on a way to make drivers of motor vehicles obey speed limits. Although, I suppose that if she'd been hit by a car doing that speed, she'd likely to have been killed outright.
mdavidford 3 hours ago
@Smoggysteve They're at their most dangerous when they're not going anywhere at all.
12 thoughts on “Live blog: Netherlands to ban cyclists from using phones while riding; 12 hours, 100 miles, 12 years old! LEJOG in a recumbent bathtub + more”
The Dutch already ban
The Dutch already ban cyclists from using headphones, why not ban motorists from having music and using phones, oh wait, they already do yet deaths increased again last year with 60+ deaths at junctions/crossways between cycling infra and roads. The Dutch are going backwards in their thinking if they believe this will do anything, a few anecdotal incidents and one death equals a ban. Why stop there, let’s ban pedestrians from walking and using a mobile phone, surely cycling is simply an extension of walking, well that’s what it’s supposed to be promoted as, a basic every day activity.
I bet more people on foot have died due to using mobile phones, oh and policing it, that will be hot compared to motorists no doubt, just like in Australia where helmetless or bell free cyclists are hauled over the coals for a fine the same as a speeding motorist.
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
Not a bad shout if we have got to the point where consideration is being given to pavements being installed with warnings!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/03/glue-road-signs-floor-zombie-pedestrians-phones-government-adviser/
Well Hector Rees-Davies , no
Well Hector Rees-Davies , no point having a helmet on if you don’t wear it properly.
hirsute wrote:
At least it’s buckled on. People riding round with them undone never cease to bewilder me.
Enjoy your freedom, cute
Enjoy your freedom, cute Morning Commute infant, in a year or two when you’re cycling to school the fun police will on your case and demanding you wear a helmet and have a number plate.
BTBS, just because cars cause
BTBS, just because cars cause more carnage than bicycles doesn’t give cyclists licence to do any old daft shit they want. Cyclists on mobiles are dicks. If you use the road, pay attention.
Yorkshire wallet wrote:
But it does justify calls for proportionality; for the enforcement and punishment to correspond to the risk.
davel wrote:
BTBS, just because cars cause more carnage than bicycles doesn’t give cyclists licence to do any old daft shit they want. Cyclists on mobiles are dicks. If you use the road, pay attention.
— davel But it does justify calls for proportionality; for the enforcement and punishment to correspond to the risk.— Yorkshire wallet
I’ve not seen anything yet in this change to suggest a lack of proportionality in either – but i’ve also not seen the associated guidance for the legislation.
davel wrote:
The risk is you ride one hand on bars, not paying attention and die? Remember that drunk woman who died, not in full control?
Yorkshire wallet wrote:
More people die because of head phone wearing phone using pedestrians than same on bikes, if we are to have a ban for one group then surely if the reasoning is to make that safer (for whom??) then we must apply that to all persons especially those that do the most harm to others and to themselves. people on bikes are the bottom of the list when it comes to harming oneself and others whilst doing their activity and indeed also whilst listening to music and/or using a phone or in some cases in the wilds of Kingston upon Hull, rolling a woodbine, whilst on the phone riding no handed and still avoding weverything.one.
More than any of the other groups cyclists are aware of their vulnerability (well the helmetless ones at least), thus even with these other ‘distractions’ they are still safer to themselves and others are without.
A ban is discriminatory, bias, illogical and without factual merit.
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
Where do you get that from?
I’d suggest motorcyclists are also pretty aware of their vulnerability based on comments I have seen them make.
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:
Figures and statistics please.