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Yorkshire wallet wrote:

BTBS, just because cars cause more carnage than bicycles doesn't give cyclists licence to do any old daft shit they want. Cyclists on mobiles are dicks. If you use the road, pay attention. 

But it does justify calls for proportionality; for the enforcement and punishment to correspond to the risk.

davel wrote:

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

BTBS, just because cars cause more carnage than bicycles doesn't give cyclists licence to do any old daft shit they want. Cyclists on mobiles are dicks. If you use the road, pay attention. 

But it does justify calls for proportionality; for the enforcement and punishment to correspond to the risk.

I've not seen anything yet in this change to suggest a lack of proportionality in either - but i've also not seen the associated guidance for the legislation.

davel wrote:

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

BTBS, just because cars cause more carnage than bicycles doesn't give cyclists licence to do any old daft shit they want. Cyclists on mobiles are dicks. If you use the road, pay attention. 

But it does justify calls for proportionality; for the enforcement and punishment to correspond to the risk.

The risk is you ride one hand on bars, not paying attention and die? Remember that drunk woman who died, not in full control?

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

BTBS, just because cars cause more carnage than bicycles doesn't give cyclists licence to do any old daft shit they want. Cyclists on mobiles are dicks. If you use the road, pay attention. 

More people die because of head phone wearing phone using pedestrians than same on bikes, if we are to have a ban for one group then surely if the reasoning is to make that safer (for whom??) then we must apply that to all persons especially those that do the most harm to others and to themselves. people on bikes are the bottom of the list when it comes to harming oneself and others whilst doing their activity and indeed also whilst listening to music and/or using a phone or in some cases in the wilds of Kingston upon Hull, rolling a woodbine, whilst on the phone riding no handed and still avoding weverything.one. 

More than any of the other groups cyclists are aware of their vulnerability (well the helmetless ones at least), thus even with these other 'distractions' they are still safer to themselves and others are without.

A ban is discriminatory, bias, illogical and without factual merit.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

More people die because of head phone wearing phone using pedestrians than same on bikes

Where do you get that from?

I'd suggest motorcyclists are also pretty aware of their vulnerability based on comments I have seen them make.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

BTBS, just because cars cause more carnage than bicycles doesn't give cyclists licence to do any old daft shit they want. Cyclists on mobiles are dicks. If you use the road, pay attention. 

More people die because of head phone wearing phone using pedestrians than same on bikes, if we are to have a ban for one group then surely if the reasoning is to make that safer (for whom??) then we must apply that to all persons especially those that do the most harm to others and to themselves. people on bikes are the bottom of the list when it comes to harming oneself and others whilst doing their activity and indeed also whilst listening to music and/or using a phone or in some cases in the wilds of Kingston upon Hull, rolling a woodbine, whilst on the phone riding no handed and still avoding weverything.one. 

More than any of the other groups cyclists are aware of their vulnerability (well the helmetless ones at least), thus even with these other 'distractions' they are still safer to themselves and others are without.

A ban is discriminatory, bias, illogical and without factual merit.

Figures and statistics please.

hirsute wrote:

Well Hector Rees-Davies , no point having a helmet on if you don't wear it properly.

At least it’s buckled on. People riding round with them undone never cease to bewilder me.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Why stop there, let's ban pedestrians from walking and using a mobile phone, surely cycling is simply an extension of walking, well that's what it's supposed to be promoted as, a basic every day activity.

Not a bad shout if we have got to the point where consideration is being given to pavements being installed with warnings!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/03/glue-road-signs-floor-zombie...