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Live blog: Ian Walker wins the North Cape 4000, Metro tweet footage of truck driver nearly turning into cyclist (and blames cyclist) + more
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Wed, Aug 08, 2018 14:33
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Surreyrider 4 seconds ago
@the little onion Even worse, wearing or not wearing hi viz being seen by drivers who just don't give a s**t.
mdavidford 2 minutes ago
Have those Zeddam course designers been on a fact-finding study to Denbighshire? https://road.cc/news/active-travel-path-branded-pointless-due-to-steps
the little onion 6 minutes ago
@the infamous grouse no. It’s what defence lawyers do. He’s doing his job. This case hinged not on whether the driving was bad at the point of collision, but whether the driver knew the poor victim was trapped afterwards, and knew that continuing to drive would cause him further severe harm.
the infamous grouse 22 minutes ago
In his closing speech to jurors on Tuesday, Jaime Hamilton KC, defending, said: "You are likely to hold Simon Richardson in contempt. That contempt may well manifest itself in a loathing of Simon Richardson and, in fairness, you are probably right to. Because it is right that we acknowledge it was the actions of Simon Richardson that led to the death of Michael Mullins. Not only is he responsible for the death of Michael Mullins, he acted in the most selfish of ways with one thought in his mind – himself. But that does not make him guilty of the homicide offences on this indictment." (emphasis mine) what a piece of shit.
chrisonabike 30 minutes ago
@mctrials23 yeah ... but that's when we look at places like car parks and conclude that in fact 10 or even 5mph does in fact make a lot of sense!
Blackthorne83 1 hour ago
@Mr Blackbird where can I find photos of this study? Asking for a friend.
mctrials23 1 hour ago
@Gd29 I was waiting for the classic "why don't we just ban driving completely by reducing the speed limit to 5mph or 0!" argument and here it is. The statistics are very clear on the benefits of reducing the speed limit from 30-20mph. It doesn't remove bad driving but it mitigates the damage. It also makes fuck all difference to journey times. Everything with driving is risk vs reward. Sure, dropping it to 10mph would save a lot more people but it would make travel by car ridiculous and have minimal benefit vs 20mph. The reward wouldn't be worth the cost.
chrisonabike 1 hour ago
@Gd29 "Speed limits are an ineffective tool when the problem is drivers not driving in an appropriate manner for the conditions and environment. Those drivers weren’t following the speed limit and/or paying sufficient attention anyway!" That is a question, not an assertion. What are the relative numbers of drivers who are eg. "don't care" criminals who may never have taken a test or are happy to take life, how many are "criminally negligent" eg. may have a licence and not intend to break the law regardless, but just aren't fussed about basic safe driving (maybe regularly drive while tired, never slow down when conditions require), how many are just normal humans (who occasionally make unfathomable mistakes)? What are the relative rates of collisions? What are the casualty outcomes? What effect does simply changing a number on a sign have? If any, why? (There's the psychological "anchoring effect", if 70% of people *are* below the limit does that slow down others, do the "don't cares" maybe just overtake dangerously (but would they anyway? ) ) etc. Reduced speed is a mitigation in that it leads to better outcomes in collisions, that's a known I believe. IIRC there's also agreement that it can mean that fewer collisions happen as there's more time to react. "If that is the problem and you don’t deal with it, but you want to keep reducing injuries/fatalities, you have to keep dropping speed limits until you prohibit road use entirely" "If" (plus as noted other safety measures are available)
jaymack 2 hours ago
@Rendel Harris - I think that driver must live near me.
chrisonabike 2 hours ago
@Gd29 it's good to "point out potential abuse of stats - and for "keeping it concise for the public" no doubt some measure of "lies, damn lies and statistics" applies. But unless you have your own analysis / evidence, this may sound like a "just asking questions!" rhetorical tactic.
14 thoughts on “Live blog: Ian Walker wins the North Cape 4000, Metro tweet footage of truck driver nearly turning into cyclist (and blames cyclist) + more”
I’m not a twitterer – did
I’m not a twitterer – did Metro come back after all that to try and explain why they thought that it was the cyclist’s fault? Or are they too busy swotting up on the HC?
Sad that even the Metro has
Sad that even the Metro has joined in the cycle bashing. Who owns them now, would it be the Murdochs perchance? Or the Express group, or some other bunch of cycle haters?
Great news about Dr Walker.
Video doesn’t show enough of
Video doesn’t show enough of the low loader and cyclist. Did the cyclist creep up the left before the lorry moved and hence was hidden?
Captions on the metro video were nonsense anyhow.
hirsute wrote:
The cyclist was ahead of the lorry well before the turn and was in the left lane. The lorry was in the right lane. If he wanted to change lanes he should wait until the road was clear. Whatever happened the cyclist clearly did not creep up the side of the lorry. At worst she passed him in a diffrent lane and the lorry was in the wrong lane for a left turn.
John Smith wrote:
The cyclist was ahead of the lorry well before the turn and was in the left lane. The lorry was in the right lane. If he wanted to change lanes he should wait until the road was clear. Whatever happened the cyclist clearly did not creep up the side of the lorry. At worst she passed him in a diffrent lane and the lorry was in the wrong lane for a left turn.
— hirsuteAh, thanks I didn’t spot it was 2 lanes.
hirsute wrote:
At 11seconds you can see the
killing machine in the hands of a I don’t give a fuck because I’m not bothered to look to my left wankerever so careful driver and his unicorns overtake the cyclist a few metres before the junction.This is contrary to the HC not to mention it threatens the life of a human being because this knobjockey can’t be fucking arsed to look, so it should be deemed as dangerous driving. Cunts like this kill and maim with impunity and not give two fucks and people like Metro, daily heil and THINK will continue to blame the victims/vulnerable.
Government sponsorsed victim blaming at its finest here which is contrasry to the HC about overtaking at/near a junction and cutting in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7lBvN80JaQ
Metro?
Metro?
A rag with content the value of its cover price. Owned by the same mob as the Daily Mail.
C’mon Dr Ian!
Does anyone actually ever
Does anyone actually ever challenge these media outlets?
Is there anything illegal with a media company editing a video to make it look like something else, trying to promote hatred?
His indicator is on, so he
His indicator is on, so he can just charge through? Wanker!
That vid should be shown in
That vid should be shown in courts where cyclists have been killed by trucks turning left.
The driver assumed that inidicating gave him right of way.
I also think he was telling helmet cam not to worry as he wasn’t in danger as driverman was turning left and not right (hadn’t he seen the clear indication). I think driver man was 100% oblivious of the other cyclist.
Blid spot my arse!
Turning left from the right
Turning left from the right hand straight on lane. Bellend.
vonhelmet wrote:
This is something that drivers of long wheel based vehicles are taught to do, due to their abysmal turning circle , and other road users are expected to take this into account- See HC rule 221.
But cockwomble observation skills nevertheless.
Well done to that man taking
Well done to that man taking the video! How many of us would have spotted what was going to happen?
Did the lorry driver have to
Did the lorry driver have to make it a three point turn because he had to brake (to avoid killing the cyclist), or did he get that wrong too? In any event, he really needs to learn to check his mirrors more, I think. Clearly he’s one of that (very common) class of drivers who think that indicators grant priority rather than showing intention.