Tour de France Stage 2: Peter Sagan wins stage and takes the yellow jersey (+ highlights)

madcarew wrote:

It's normal, not against the rules, so not really wrong. In the event last year Sagan was initially thought to have hit out. Sagan hasn't been given carte Blanche any more than others. Fwiw I think Sagan is a really good sport. The moves of his you object to a done in pretty much every major sprint, so Sagan is on the receiving end as often as not. Like Cav, when you win more it's noticed more

My view on this is different to yours. I like Sagan, but I believe he is dishing out far more than he receives.

And it is very definitely wrong. Degenkol was't whining like a girl when he complained, he was chopped and reacted like anyone else on the receiving end of such a move.

because everyone does it does not make it right.

I agree that you do notice it more when its the guy winning... look at Cavendish as a prime example, however I believe there needs to be some clearer rules in this area. Bit like the not changing line under braking rule used in motor racing. 

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Sagan again showing he's either a piss poor bike handler or deliberately and recklessly coming across riders at speed. And as per the cav incident absolutely pointless, should have been demoted. No penalty just green lights the same thing as it does elsewhere in racing plus makes it harder to penalise later as yu've set your stall out, and indeed is replicated on our roads too, same psychology.

Oh yeah. .  thats right. . . the world champion 3 years running is "a piss poor bike handler". I propose you have a piss poor handle on reality BTBS. Seriously, replicated on our roads? what are you going on about here? 

lork wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Sagan again showing he's either a piss poor bike handler or deliberately and recklessly coming across riders at speed. And as per the cav incident absolutely pointless, should have been demoted. No penalty just green lights the same thing as it does elsewhere in racing plus makes it harder to penalise later as yu've set your stall out, and indeed is replicated on our roads too, same psychology.

 

Oh yeah. .  thats right. . . the world champion 3 years running is "a piss poor bike handler". I propose you have a piss poor handle on reality BTBS. Seriously, replicated on our roads? what are you going on about here? 

it was an either or question... so if you think his handling is fine, it means... we’ll you get the idea. It was a rude swipe, one I think the uci should be looking to stamp out. 

It’s easy to be the best, well easier anyway, if you ride like a Cnut. That was a bit Cnuty to me.

Jimmy Ray Will wrote:

lork wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Sagan again showing he's either a piss poor bike handler or deliberately and recklessly coming across riders at speed. And as per the cav incident absolutely pointless, should have been demoted. No penalty just green lights the same thing as it does elsewhere in racing plus makes it harder to penalise later as yu've set your stall out, and indeed is replicated on our roads too, same psychology.

 

Oh yeah. .  thats right. . . the world champion 3 years running is "a piss poor bike handler". I propose you have a piss poor handle on reality BTBS. Seriously, replicated on our roads? what are you going on about here? 

 

it was an either or question... so if you think his handling is fine, it means... we’ll you get the idea. It was a rude swipe, one I think the uci should be looking to stamp out. 

It’s easy to be the best, well easier anyway, if you ride like a Cnut. That was a bit Cnuty to me.

It was a statement, not a question....

You will find few sprint finishes in the TdF, or any other world tour race that don't look like that. Cav has been accused of it in the past, as have Demare, Robbie McEwen and (who can forget Abdujaparov?) most other top sprinters. It goes with the territory, and always has done. Of course BTBS thinks the guy acknowleged as probably the best bike handler in the peloton is a piss poor bike handler, because he likes indefensible positions. BTBS also lives in a black and white world, so can only deal with binary propositions such as "either /or"  Sagan certainly deliberately took the line he did, but I doubt he did it recklessly. BTBS might also like to pontificate on Colbrelli's 'dangerous swerve' in the closing metres.... or not.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Sagan again showing he's either a piss poor bike handler or deliberately and recklessly coming across riders at speed. And as per the cav incident absolutely pointless, should have been demoted. No penalty just green lights the same thing as it does elsewhere in racing plus makes it harder to penalise later as yu've set your stall out, and indeed is replicated on our roads too, same psychology.

He dived for a wheel that Degenkolb really wasn't on. Could call it a chop, or just taking a place but Degenkolb was going backwards.

I do agree though, consistency in the rules and their application would be splendid...

burtthebike wrote:

The winner will be the last man riding.  At least all these crashes are distracting the media and the masses from Froomie.

Henri Desgrange was reportedly to have said the ideal race would be to have only one rider make it to the finish line in Paris.