‘Irresponsible’ triathletes banned from Human Race events for passing horse at speed

froze wrote:

Please someone help me out because I'm confused. In the US when there is a race the police block cars from the streets that the racers will be on, and where I live horses are blocked as well because I live in Amish country, until the entire race pack has moved past then the cops open up one section at a time.  Is this not done in the UK?  Does that mean that racers have to contend with motorists as well?  If they do block traffic in the UK then why aren't horses blocked as well?  Here in the states if this were to happen the police would be questioned as to why there was a horse on the race course and the responsiblity would fall on the police for failure to keep the race course clear.  I guess I can only assume that races in the UK are not safe to be in since cars, pedistrians, and horses are ok to run wild with the racers.  There is a race in America called the RAAM which they can't close the roads due to length of time it takes for the race and cyclists stretch out for hundreds of miles, but races like the one shown here in the UK yeah the police block the roads for those.

I wouldn't worry too much, no one will shoot you.

froze wrote:

Please someone help me out because I'm confused. In the US when there is a race the police block cars from the streets that the racers will be on, and where I live horses are blocked as well because I live in Amish country, until the entire race pack has moved past then the cops open up one section at a time.  Is this not done in the UK?  Does that mean that racers have to contend with motorists as well?  If they do block traffic in the UK then why aren't horses blocked as well?  Here in the states if this were to happen the police would be questioned as to why there was a horse on the race course and the responsiblity would fall on the police for failure to keep the race course clear.  I guess I can only assume that races in the UK are not safe to be in since cars, pedistrians, and horses are ok to run wild with the racers.  There is a race in America called the RAAM which they can't close the roads due to length of time it takes for the race and cyclists stretch out for hundreds of miles, but races like the one shown here in the UK yeah the police block the roads for those.

Professional races are run on closed roads.

Official amateur road races are run according to rules, signage, escorts etc to make it safe as safe as possible for riders and other road users but without actually closing the roads. 

If they close roads in the UK, it is as if the world will stop turning such is the public outcry.

There was even a case locally of some bloke in a car blowing his horn during a Rememberance Day parade as the road was shut for 10 minutes.

ktache wrote:

Hey BTBS, I saw this and thought of you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_0RVwzwS98

I know he's retired, but then you sometimes have to ask why?...

No points on his licence, only a fine ? shocking when it's clearly evident he's driving using his phone as well as the assault.....beggars belief and he should know better......boils my piss it really does. 

Pitbull Steelers wrote:

ktache wrote:

Hey BTBS, I saw this and thought of you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_0RVwzwS98

I know he's retired, but then you sometimes have to ask why?...

No points on his licence, only a fine ? shocking when it's clearly evident he's driving using his phone as well as the assault.....beggars belief and he should know better......boils my piss it really does. 

Couldn't find anything in the Youtube comments, but would have thought that points would have been automatic?

Pitbull Steelers wrote:

Until you actually do the job your not really in a position to make sweeping statements like you do and likewise i could call you a member of the great unwashed or the thick and stupid brigade but without actually knowing you that would be plain stupid because seeing some of your posts your quite an intelectual person.

After all your only going from what you proabaly read on forum's such as this and the press / papers / internet, which as you know always tells the truth, never lies, never ever tries to pervert the course of justice, never break the law and are the most polite non discriminatory group you'll ever come across.

I dont mind people having a pop at the Police, or any other group such as MP's, CPS, courts etc etc if they personally have been wronged by that group, thats freedom of speech and long may it continue, and i know i've upset numerous people over the years with some of the judgement calls and decisions i made whilst in the Police but i made them on the evidence to hand, not for any other reason.

Also just to go off tangent, you mentioned about why, at an accident, the Police ask if the cyclist was wearing a helmet or not. Thats because its on the traff 12 form we fill out, not because we have some sort of agenda against cyclists. Personallyi dont agree with it being on the form as when you submit the form you can state person 1 had head injuries due to, or not as the case maybe, because they were or were not wearing a helmet.

I enjoy banter about the Police so keep the questions coming and i'll try and help as best i can, but i wont respond to hearsay, hope that helps mate 

Just to balance this, I spent a number of years working with the police - in particularly quite closely with their professional standards. There is a significant problem with unconscious bias and that although there has been a huge amount of time spent on trying to manage though various methods is still affecting how the police appraoch situations. Just like within the wider population most of the Police are good people trying to do their best, however unfortunately the standards required are not high enough and are often not encouraged/re-enforced frequently enough.

Htc wrote:

Pitbull Steelers wrote:

Until you actually do the job your not really in a position to make sweeping statements like you do and likewise i could call you a member of the great unwashed or the thick and stupid brigade but without actually knowing you that would be plain stupid because seeing some of your posts your quite an intelectual person.

After all your only going from what you proabaly read on forum's such as this and the press / papers / internet, which as you know always tells the truth, never lies, never ever tries to pervert the course of justice, never break the law and are the most polite non discriminatory group you'll ever come across.

I dont mind people having a pop at the Police, or any other group such as MP's, CPS, courts etc etc if they personally have been wronged by that group, thats freedom of speech and long may it continue, and i know i've upset numerous people over the years with some of the judgement calls and decisions i made whilst in the Police but i made them on the evidence to hand, not for any other reason.

Also just to go off tangent, you mentioned about why, at an accident, the Police ask if the cyclist was wearing a helmet or not. Thats because its on the traff 12 form we fill out, not because we have some sort of agenda against cyclists. Personallyi dont agree with it being on the form as when you submit the form you can state person 1 had head injuries due to, or not as the case maybe, because they were or were not wearing a helmet.

I enjoy banter about the Police so keep the questions coming and i'll try and help as best i can, but i wont respond to hearsay, hope that helps mate 

 

Just to balance this, I spent a number of years working with the police - in particularly quite closely with their professional standards. There is a significant problem with unconscious bias and that although there has been a huge amount of time spent on trying to manage though various methods is still affecting how the police appraoch situations. Just like within the wider population most of the Police are good people trying to do their best, however unfortunately the standards required are not high enough and are often not encouraged/re-enforced frequently enough.

Totally agree with you, the standards have dropped dramatically in recent years. There are some cops serving now who would have never got in when i joined in the late 80's. Piss poor fitness levels and a distinct lack of common sense !!!!

Unconcious bias is very difficult to remove as it has a lot to do with your upbringing and life experiences. People are influenced by what goes on around them for instance i worked the London Olympics and in one briefing were told "dont go into that estate as they hate the Police" we ignored the comment and actually spent a really good 2 hours chatting to the kids / youths who asked why the Police didn't do this more often, no doubt the Met would have prefered the "us and them" approach. 

Skicoach wrote:

What actually is the highway code for overtaking a horse?  I mean, is it the same for an elephant or a rabbit? Is a horse a vehicle? I think you can overtake a bicycle on either side - so why not overtake  a horse on either side? I've ridden bikes for only 57 years and never had to deal with any of those issues or laws so can someone please explain?

If only there was some way to read the highway code!

Google rule 215

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

wow plod still investigating, they must have a shit ton of resources to spend on this minor incident that has not resulted in anything other than (according to the horse rider) a bruised foot.

Clearly they have realised that as per one of the previous threads on this, she has loads of footage on her FB page of car drivers giving her close passes. I imagine there is a massive team going through all that footage.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

wow plod still investigating, they must have a shit ton of resources to spend on this minor incident that has not resulted in anything other than (according to the horse rider) a bruised foot. Given the response to far worse injury caused by criminals across the nation to people on bikes it strikes me that yet again this is more proof that the law/police are more interested in doing all they can to prosecute people on bikes but can't be fucking arsed to defend them or simply blame them when they are injured or killed.

As before, are the cyclists dicks, yes, is this a big deal in the grand scheme of things, nope and cycling UK are making a mountain out of a molehill, they do cycling a big dis-service IMHO.

Why not just 'irresponsible', the 'completely' is superfluous and not warranted.

when a Corsa went across a bus lane at rush hour and I went through its windscreen, I was met by an extremely hostile policeman at the MTU in Mary’s, Paddington. 

Best exchange- Cop: “Did you slow down?”

me: “I find hitting a car that isn’t paying attention and crossing my path does, yes, slow me down.”

simontm wrote:

me: “I find hitting a car that isn’t paying attention and crossing my path does, yes, slow me down.”

Cars can't 'pay attention'. 

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

simontm wrote:

me: “I find hitting a car that isn’t paying attention and crossing my path does, yes, slow me down.”

Cars can't 'pay attention'. 

https://news.sky.com/story/uber-suspends-self-driving-car-testing-after-...

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

simontm wrote:

me: “I find hitting a car that isn’t paying attention and crossing my path does, yes, slow me down.”

Cars can't 'pay attention'. 

https://news.sky.com/story/uber-suspends-self-driving-car-testing-after-...

Hmm, driverless cars, glad this has been brought up, would seem that uber turned off volvo's own safety features, which may have stopped the car.  She, the driver, whilst being paid to monitor both the car and the road was watching something on her phone.  The car recognised the victim, got a bit confused and ploughed on regardless.  Considering buying Christian Wolmar's book "Driverless Cars: On a Road to Nowhere"

simontm wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

wow plod still investigating, they must have a shit ton of resources to spend on this minor incident that has not resulted in anything other than (according to the horse rider) a bruised foot. Given the response to far worse injury caused by criminals across the nation to people on bikes it strikes me that yet again this is more proof that the law/police are more interested in doing all they can to prosecute people on bikes but can't be fucking arsed to defend them or simply blame them when they are injured or killed.

As before, are the cyclists dicks, yes, is this a big deal in the grand scheme of things, nope and cycling UK are making a mountain out of a molehill, they do cycling a big dis-service IMHO.

Why not just 'irresponsible', the 'completely' is superfluous and not warranted.

when a Corsa went across a bus lane at rush hour and I went through its windscreen, I was met by an extremely hostile policeman at the MTU in Mary’s, Paddington. 

Best exchange- Cop: “Did you slow down?”

me: “I find hitting a car that isn’t paying attention and crossing my path does, yes, slow me down.”

So immediately breaking his sworn oath to act without bias and to show no favour, typical twat cop who automatically puts the blame at your door. I'd be making a formal complaint because this bias feeds through into who is at fault on incident reports, firstly because there's an inherrent bias (they're ostly motorists and not very good ones either) and second because police still want to apply equal responsibility on a motorvehicle driver and a person riding a bike when there should never be equal responsibility.

You only need look at no case to answer incidents when people are killed/seriously injured, utterly fucking ridiculous.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

simontm wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

wow plod still investigating, they must have a shit ton of resources to spend on this minor incident that has not resulted in anything other than (according to the horse rider) a bruised foot. Given the response to far worse injury caused by criminals across the nation to people on bikes it strikes me that yet again this is more proof that the law/police are more interested in doing all they can to prosecute people on bikes but can't be fucking arsed to defend them or simply blame them when they are injured or killed.

As before, are the cyclists dicks, yes, is this a big deal in the grand scheme of things, nope and cycling UK are making a mountain out of a molehill, they do cycling a big dis-service IMHO.

Why not just 'irresponsible', the 'completely' is superfluous and not warranted.

when a Corsa went across a bus lane at rush hour and I went through its windscreen, I was met by an extremely hostile policeman at the MTU in Mary’s, Paddington. 

Best exchange- Cop: “Did you slow down?”

me: “I find hitting a car that isn’t paying attention and crossing my path does, yes, slow me down.”

So immediately breaking his sworn oath to act without bias and to show no favour, typical twat cop who automatically puts the blame at your door. I'd be making a formal complaint because this bias feeds through into who is at fault on incident reports, firstly because there's an inherrent bias (they're ostly motorists and not very good ones either) and second because police still want to apply equal responsibility on a motorvehicle driver and a person riding a bike when there should never be equal responsibility.

You only need look at no case to answer incidents when people are killed/seriously injured, utterly fucking ridiculous.

Thats if simontm actually told the truth on here or was he just posting to be "in on the conversation". You obviously believe he did because that plays to your clearly evident dislike of anything to do with the Police. 

Pitbull Steelers wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

simontm wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

wow plod still investigating, they must have a shit ton of resources to spend on this minor incident that has not resulted in anything other than (according to the horse rider) a bruised foot. Given the response to far worse injury caused by criminals across the nation to people on bikes it strikes me that yet again this is more proof that the law/police are more interested in doing all they can to prosecute people on bikes but can't be fucking arsed to defend them or simply blame them when they are injured or killed.

As before, are the cyclists dicks, yes, is this a big deal in the grand scheme of things, nope and cycling UK are making a mountain out of a molehill, they do cycling a big dis-service IMHO.

Why not just 'irresponsible', the 'completely' is superfluous and not warranted.

when a Corsa went across a bus lane at rush hour and I went through its windscreen, I was met by an extremely hostile policeman at the MTU in Mary’s, Paddington. 

Best exchange- Cop: “Did you slow down?”

me: “I find hitting a car that isn’t paying attention and crossing my path does, yes, slow me down.”

So immediately breaking his sworn oath to act without bias and to show no favour, typical twat cop who automatically puts the blame at your door. I'd be making a formal complaint because this bias feeds through into who is at fault on incident reports, firstly because there's an inherrent bias (they're ostly motorists and not very good ones either) and second because police still want to apply equal responsibility on a motorvehicle driver and a person riding a bike when there should never be equal responsibility.

You only need look at no case to answer incidents when people are killed/seriously injured, utterly fucking ridiculous.

 

Thats if simontm actually told the truth on here or was he just posting to be "in on the conversation". You obviously believe he did because that plays to your clearly evident dislike of anything to do with the Police. 

what a crock of shit, show me where I said that I dislike everything/anything to do with the police?

I hate lying, bullying, bias, discriminatory, victim blaming, perverters of the course of justice police officers, those that stick to their sworn oath showing no bias and without favour and uphold the law/keep the peace are fine by me.

What about you, do you prefer to curry favour with those police officers that actually break their oath (you realise how important that oath is right?) break the law, won't keep the peace, can't tell the truth, bend the law for their own personal agenda and are discriminatory in their actions sometimes to the point that it perverts the course of justice ... well, do you?

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

wow plod still investigating, they must have a shit ton of resources to spend on this minor incident that has not resulted in anything other than (according to the horse rider) a bruised foot. Given the response to far worse injury caused by criminals across the nation to people on bikes it strikes me that yet again this is more proof that the law/police are more interested in doing all they can to prosecute people on bikes but can't be fucking arsed to defend them or simply blame them when they are injured or killed.

As before, are the cyclists dicks, yes, is this a big deal in the grand scheme of things, nope and cycling UK are making a mountain out of a molehill, they do cycling a big dis-service IMHO.

Why not just 'irresponsible', the 'completely' is superfluous and not warranted.

It's the Boy George Phenomenon.  

A long while ago, when Culture Club was still something that 'shocked' people, Cliff Richard got interviewed on a TV show, the name of which I can no longer recall.  'What do you think of Culture Club?' he was asked.  'Oh, I .. I. .. I just want to say that Boy George is a really good singer!' he stuttered.

The studio audience erupted into suitably rapturous applause at this transparent affirmation that '*I'm* not homophobic!'

A modern example of this is how no journalist has been able to discuss the Charlie Alliston case without preceding his piece with a declaration along the lines of 'Let me just say that I condemn riding without a front brake, and this cannot be acceptable!'

So when Cycling UK says 'absolutely irresponsible', they're essentially being the 'Uncle Tom' of the road.  'Look at us, car drivers... we're nice!  Please don't kill us!  Please drive carefully around us!  Pretty please?  With a cherry on top??'

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

It's the Boy George Phenomenon.  

A long while ago, when Culture Club was still something that 'shocked' people, Cliff Richard got interviewed on a TV show, the name of which I can no longer recall.  'What do you think of Culture Club?' he was asked.  'Oh, I .. I. .. I just want to say that Boy George is a really good singer!' he stuttered.

The studio audience erupted into suitably rapturous applause at this transparent affirmation that '*I'm* not homophobic!'
 

With the UK, having come through punk and new romantic, I'm pretty sure Boy George wasn't shocking anyone really. You had a song by a group of blatant homosexuals selling you to relax and suck to it in the charts and guys like Rob Halford from Judas Priest dressed up in bondage gear and singing about Turbo Lovers.

The Uk's been pretty musically accepting of gay culture. Think about all our famous musicians, pretty highly represented on the gay front.