Flashing front lights, like helmets, team kit or which groupset to use, is one of those subjects that polarises opinion among cyclists. Some swear by them, others insist you should only use a solid beam. But one Bristol resident – it’s not clear whether he or she rides a bike – is seriously agitated by them, and scrawled a message on an abandoned sofa to let the world know just how much.
The message, written on the underside of the sofa, reads “Cyclists of Bristol pls may you turn your over bright lights down + stop them flashing it hurts my eyes. Ta. Anon BS7” and was spotted by cyclist Steven Russell.
He told road.cc: “I found it odd, for obvious reasons … and luckily for the author there was a fly-tipped sofa lying around just when they needed one. Unless they brought it from home.
“But I saw it out of the corner of my eye and was the only cyclist to stop (at least in those 5 minutes) and actually read it.
“Whilst the medium of the message may be odd, the message is a valid one.
“So I was bemused and pleased at the same time!”
Steven, it turns out, falls into the camp of cyclists who prefer to use a solid beam.
“I don’t actually use flashing lights, largely because I don’t like them on other cyclists coming towards me,” he explained.
“They’re not ideal for the darker segregated cycle lanes I use in North Bristol, where they can easily dazzle you.
“In truth, I don’t think they are ideal for road cycling either.
“Cars don’t have flashing headlights and, in striving where I can to inhabit the road much as a car would (taking the lane, signalling, obeying traffic lights etc., for the safety of all), I won’t use flashing lights either,” he added.
We know plenty of cyclists who feel the same, but equally many others will always have their light in flashing mode, and pretty much most front lights we see nowadays have at least one of those.
Some switch between the two – for instance, a flashing light can be particularly useful when riding down a country lane at dusk and can warn drivers behind you of your presence due to the pulsing reflection of the beam off road signs.
Where many cyclists find them especially annoying is not when they are used on the public highway, but on separate cycling infrastructure – it’s easy to have your vision temporarily wrecked by a flashing light coming towards you.
One solution is to angle the light slightly downwards so they aren’t shining straight at people – but that gives rise to perhaps one of the biggest problems some people find with them.
That’s where the light comes with a basic O-ring mount, making the light liable to tilt up or down when you hit a bump on the road – and a surprisingly large number of even mid-to-high-end lights have exactly those mounts, something for brands asking what can be considerable sums for their products to address, perhaps?
Where do you stand on the issue? Let us know in the comments below.

























75 thoughts on “Bizarre rant against flashing front bike lights scrawled on abandoned sofa in Bristol”
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unconstituted wrote:
unconstituted, it is wonderful to see how eloquent your posts have become of late.
Leviathan wrote:
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Leviathan wrote:
wooop wooop dis is da sound of da (BTL) police…
Thought you might have handed your gun and badge in after your little outburst got SP59 banned the other day?
davel wrote:
Is SP really banned? Hope not, he’s aggressive sure, but not sure that’s any worse than some of the stroppy sanctimonious lot
SP does have his heart in the right place, can’t say that for everyone.
unconstituted wrote:
I do hope not. I agreed with him on disc brakes!!!
davel wrote:
Did the Python get banned? I missed that!
brooksby wrote:
What a helmet.
Leviathan wrote:
If there was a way to be subscribed to everything he posts anywhere on the internet… I’d subscribe to it.
Can’t win, can you?………
Can’t win, can you?……… “bloody cyclists, no lights”,………”bloody cyclists, bright lights”
tourdelound wrote:
Same as how half of the time cyclists are too slow, and the other half they’re too fast…
Blinkes are fine as are more
Blinkes are fine as are more powerful lights that pulse.
even in well lit urban areas, a reasonable powerful light on flash isn’t terrible nice facing you. Oddly get suprisingly amount who leave there lights like that, in properly dark areas as well, which really isn’t nice.
flashing lights = novelty
flashing lights = novelty cyclist
I’ve always used a small
I’ve always used a small ‘backup’ light on flash paired with a stronger light on solid beam on the front. 300+ lumen light on flash tend to be dazzling, especially if not aimed well (at the ground about 40 feet in front of the bike).
The problem bike lights have is that unlike car lights they’re not hooded and round beams are awful for blinding people coming towards you if they’re not aimed well. Sadly the industry hasn’t helped with an arms race for the brightest lights which for road use isn’t actually all that appropriate.
You can have a solid beam AND
You can have a solid beam AND flash at the same time as mine do.
Flashing lights are particularly good in heavy traffic at night because with all the headlights around a steady beam from a cycle light can blend in with and line up with the cars behind you and other drivers in front waiting to turn or emerge into your carriageway will not see you immediately.
Drivers will look for the other vehicles as that’s what they expect to see but they don’t specifically check for pedestrians crossing or cyclists.
A flashing front light makes a driver look at it thus identifying a cyclist. Some are too bright granted, but definitely worth it. Just got to have them angled correctly.
I’m in the yes camp.
I find it’s not uncommon
I find it’s not uncommon these days to be dazzled by both very strong front and rear lights. The (more common) front ones at least pass you quickly. There’s no need for mega bright rear lights.
You know, this “story” was in
You know, this “story” was in the Bristol Post a couple of days ago…
Whatever stops me getting
Whatever stops me getting killed. If that annoys a pedestrian, that’s a much lesser worry in the grand scheme of things.
drosco wrote:
Exactly – if I’ve been seen enough to cause annoyance, at least I know that I’ve been seen.
drosco wrote:
Think that one through a bit more, and try to include more than just pedestrians in your equation. If it annoys an oncoming motorist, and he/she decides to give you some notice/payback via a serve of main beam, it’ll be you getting annoyed/dazzled/blinded. Or, if your ‘annoying’ light distracts the driver of a motor vehicle enough to cause a collision – whether with you or someone else (with you potentially caught up in it), it doesn’t necessarily help you.
This is a real problem that the cycle industry will have to grip at some point. There’s something of an arms race to produce more and more powerful bike lamps, and there is almost no regulation either of the lamps themselves, or, crucially, in their fitting and use. There’s little question that flashing lights are attention-grabbing – that’s the whole point of making them flash. And unfortunately the bulk of these things seem to be set up in a way other than how they should be (where they dazzle and distract far too far away).
Motor vehicles have their lamp aim tested during the MOT and cars with powerful HID/LED systems must have self-levelling and lens washing to reduce dazzle. Overly powerful bike lights are, right now, a niche problem. However as more and more people commute, and more of these powerful lights are sold and misused, the powers that be *will* eventually cotton onto it.
And it’ll probably happen for a relatively ‘random’ reason. Like when a certain part of the media grabs hold of an emotive story about a dead kid whose death was allegedly the result of a cyclist’s mis-adjusted/non-road legal light and an MP in turn picks it up and runs with it.
I can’t see you
I can’t see you
I can’t see you
I can’t see you
too bright you knob
I find the only way to get drivers to dip their lights is to use overbright lights. No bike light has yet dazzled me as much as a car on full beam.
Up front on the road at night
Up front on the road at night:
Cateye 300 on hyper-constant to get seen by others (on with a 1 second pulse) & Cateye 700 on full beam so I can see.
Daytime: all front lights on hyper-constant, often leave the 700 at home and just use the 300 here.
Rear on the road at night:
Pulse mode Cateye rapid x light on seat stay (30 lm), plus Bontrager flare in night mode flashing (on with a pulsing flash).
Daytime: the same but use the Bontrager’s flashing daytime mode (65lm).
Cycle paths at night:
Front lights all full beams, no flash, cover the 700lm with my gloved hand when passing PEDs/bikes.
Rear lights the same as the road.
Helmet lights, Cateye Loop white and red pair: flash at night/dusk. Daytime summer often not bother as they aren’t powerful enough to be seen.
I have less issue with
I have less issue with blinking or steady lights – rather the use of over bright lights in well lit/urban areas and badly adjusted lights working like full beam on a car. Lights that have been designed for riding cross country in the pitch black being used in urban situations is not the right thing to do
Use appropriate lights for the context and recognise that blinding everyone including other cyclists can be counter productive.
Being seen is not the same thing as seeing in the dark.
The counterpoint is obviously urban commuters who think that because they have badly adjusted barely perceptable feeble lights they are doing something positive to be seen. Finding the right balance is key. blinking or steady is not the issue.
I can understand the person’s
I can understand the person’s point of view, as some riders use almost laser intensity flashing lights right into my eyes. Too much is too much, just like leaving your high beams on when driving.
I ride with a blend of both flashing and solid lights. I use a lower wattage flashing unit aimed at head level about three metres in front of me; that’s to get general attention. The higher wattage solid light I aim at about 2 metres ahead of me, which not only illuminates any crap or holes in the road, but puts some light around the pedestrians that I’m coming up behind to let them know I’m coming.
So- the U.K. is a reasonably
So- the U.K. is a reasonably large place, right? With 65M people? Because if I only read Road.cc I’d think it was a village, where every piece of roadside debris was worthy of discussion. (This is meant affectionately, before I get flamed)
MNgraveur wrote:
you commented so you’re one of us now!
you might wanna try pretending to be a bit more autistic, just to blend in like
I don’t care if they flash or
I don’t care if they flash or not, like others it’s the retina burning intensity that is the problem.
Put it this way.
As a fellow road user, I can not see you if I’ve had to shut my eyes/look away/am temporarily blinded.
I’ve done quite a number of events on the continent and it seems that only UK riders feel the need to have lights.
My commute is on a mix of
My commute is on a mix of urban lit and semi rural unlit roads with some urban dual carriageway and speed limits of 30, 40 and 60 mph so lights to see and be seen by are essential. On some route planning apps the traffic conditions are described as “hostile.”
Exposure Toro on its brightest setting of 700 lumens is good for the darkest of winter nights. On its medium setting it is not quite bright enough to see the edge of the carriageway in some places and in the worst conditions.
Daylight = flashing front and rear.
Night = steady front and rear plus flashing rear
At least Anon of BS7 was
At least Anon of BS7 was polite in their request.
Must admit the local canal path is not pleasant at night if you’re going against the flow of commuters. High power flashing lights on helmets the worst.
Right. There’s only one
Right. There’s only one solution to this. Cyclists need to start dumping beds at the side of the road with ‘dear motorists’ messages. That’ll show them.
We will win this fly-tipping war of attrition!
Just another supposed
The whole ‘annoying lights thing’ is just another supposed justification to rant against the cyclist.
I was riding home a few weeks ago on an unlit cycle path with my 360 Lumen front light on constant mode at about 200 lumens setting. Adult chav walking towards me shouted ‘That’s a bright light you got there mate’.
Sensing his latent aggression and not averse to hearing it in its full glory I replied:
‘Yeah, and I can turn it up even brighter if you want’.
To which,inevitably, he replied:
‘Yeah,I hope you have a crash on the way home and get killed’.
To which I replied:
‘Yeah, and I hope your prostitute mother dies of cancer…’
Definitely no love lost between the two of us.
Grumpy17 wrote:
when two chavs meet!
beezus fufoon wrote:
Only one chav in actual fact .
Who was dealt with in the only way he understands.
Grumpy17 wrote:
of all the things that happened, this happened the most.
Grumpy17 wrote:
Maybe this is a parody account, but that’s two posts from you this week where you’ve unnecessarily escalated a trivial encounter into one that makes it way easier for non-cyclists to class us all as dicks. Good work fella…
JohnnyRemo wrote:
No parodies in my posts. Entirely truthful accounts both of them.
But I’ll re-phrase your somewhat groundless accusations as, worryingly, you appear to be encouraging cyclists to be timid and feeble when faced with aggression on the roads.
Here you go:
<< That’s two encounters I’ve had this last couple of weeks with ignorant dicks who have threatened or verbally abused me just because I’m a cyclist. Two dicks who learned not to make the mistake of assuiming that all cyclists are necessarily going to cry and run home to their mummies at the first sign of provocation. Two dicks who will never think any better of you no matter what you do or say.>>
There. That reads much better now.
Strada 1200 with the remote
Strada 1200 with the remote button is perfect. Main beam for country lanes and dip the same time as cars coming towards you do so. I found the cars seemed to slow down more when they saw a light that had been dipped, maybe they think it’s a motorcycle. Flashing only in daylight or urban on the front, and aimed down so not to dazzle. Rear is always flashing for me, unless on club run.
I’ve tried a few combinations
I’ve tried a few combinations (flashing and steady beam) and still they pull out of side streets. During busy commuting times, I think the combination of two lights, one flashing and the other steady seems to work best, both medium intensity. On the rear, I go for a low power steady light on my helmet, and a reasonably bright flashing light on my seat tube.
It’s pretty annoying when
It’s pretty annoying when lights aren’t positioned downwards to be fair, loads of cyclists I see are ‘guitly’ of this crime, I say one dark night in the not too distant future, we set out in gangs of no less than five, round em all up and one by one we point 1000 lumens cree lights in their faces until they beg for mercy, whilst shouting ‘how do you like it’, ‘av that’ and ‘in your face stinky’.
In winter I travel through a
In winter I travel through a large park, along a river and by a canal. All of this is unlit and all of this is part of the national cycle route. I have had major issues with over bright and badly possitioned rear red lights (whether blinking or not) that have caused me to not be able to see ahead of the cyclist in front which can be very dangerous. I have also had major issues with other cyclists coming towards me with over bright and badly possitioned front lights causing temporary lack of vision which has on a few occasions caused me to almost crash into what was behind them (Another cyclist with sensible lights/unlit dog/jogger/walker/debris). Over bright and flashing lights may be suitable in some situations and circumstances but at night on the unlit National Cycle Network is not that situation, it is extremely dangerous then!
hhmmmm …. I live in bs7 and
hhmmmm …. I live in bs7 and haven’t seen this yet …. must have a “prowl” 🙂
exposures front and rear – both on pulse (and yes, the front is aimed at the road !!)
Amazing how many people on
Amazing how many people on here need mega bright lights and strobes to survive. Just fit a dynamo light, no stress, no blinding, everyone can see you front and back.
Add a small flashing helmet light if you use a lot of roundabouts and want to look people in the eye before they pull out.
drosco wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGOypgYRtnk
Sensing his latent aggression and not averse to hearing it in its full glory I replied:
‘Yeah, and I can turn it up even brighter if you want’.
To which,inevitably, he replied:
‘Yeah,I hope you have a crash on the way home and get killed’.
To which I replied:
‘Yeah, and I hope your prostitute mother dies of cancer…’— Grumpy17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1a_4CN4onA
Don’t these newbies get it? The point of cycling is that smug feeling of being better than everyone else. But for that you actually have to [i]act better[/i].
handlebarcam wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGOypgYRtnk
Sensing his latent aggression and not averse to hearing it in its full glory I replied:
‘Yeah, and I can turn it up even brighter if you want’.
To which,inevitably, he replied:
‘Yeah,I hope you have a crash on the way home and get killed’.
To which I replied:
‘Yeah, and I hope your prostitute mother dies of cancer…’— Grumpy17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1a_4CN4onA
Don’t these newbies get it? The point of cycling is that smug feeling of being better than everyone else. But for that you actually have to [i]act better[/i].— drosco
Zzzzzzzzzzzz…
handlebarcam wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGOypgYRtnk
Sensing his latent aggression and not averse to hearing it in its full glory I replied:
‘Yeah, and I can turn it up even brighter if you want’.
To which,inevitably, he replied:
‘Yeah,I hope you have a crash on the way home and get killed’.
To which I replied:
‘Yeah, and I hope your prostitute mother dies of cancer…’— Grumpy17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1a_4CN4onA
Don’t these newbies get it? The point of cycling is that smug feeling of being better than everyone else. But for that you actually have to [i]act better[/i].— drosco
No, the point of cycling for this ‘newbie’ is to commute 5,000 miles a year without dying.
For me personally it’s not so
For me personally it’s not so much whether the light is flashing on on solid beam, but the beam pattern and the angle. I see far to many people commuting with super bright lights (nothing wrong with that) that are angled really high. The problem with this is that it dazzles oncoming traffic, whether that be pedestrians, cyclists or drivers. Just like you shouldn’t have your high beams on all the time when driving because it is dangerous, you shouldn’t angle bike lights up high so that they dazzle people. Angle them down a little bit, then you will still be super visible to other road users and be able to see where you are going, but you won’t blind other road users.
Frankly, think about what you like to be on the receiving end of. Do you like having cars with there full beams driving at you? If not, then just angle your lights down a tiny bit.
I blame the light
I blame the light manufacturers for making it so darned hard to buy a reasonably-priced and reasonably well designed light that’s bright enough to see where you’re going without blinding oncoming road/path users.
Round/oval beam shapes are not appropriate unless you’re off road. The Specialized Flux Elite is the most reasonably priced light (£80!) that I have been able to find with a decent beam pattern for riding on unlit roads/paths. The mount isn’t perfect, and battery life at low temps isn’t great but I’d buy it again despite this review: http://road.cc/content/review/171944-specialized-flux-elite-front-light (rating is largely based on £150 original price I think, which is a total joke.)
There just aren’t enough well designed lights on the market. Exposure are starting to get it with the Strada series, but that doesn’t come cheap and IMHO the beam pattern still isn’t as good as those using a reflector.
Only other options currently available seem to be B&M Ixon IQ series, with limited availability and some build quality issues according to some reviews. The mount needs to be rock solid for a light with a proper beam shape, and I’m not sure this one is.
I am quite happy using a Moon Meteor (200 lux) pointing straight ahead in flashing mode in daylight, and a 1/2 watt flashing+dim solid Smart R1 rear light in all conditions as I just want to be seen. At night though the Flux Elite is enough, although a helmet light would be good too so that I can point it at people I don’t think have seen me.
DaveE128 wrote:
I think this is the one-and-only area where I wouldn’t actually object to more state regulation of an aspect of cycling. Stronger, and much-better-thought-out and evidence-based, regulations on what kind of lights should be sold and used would make things simpler for everyone, I reckon. No more being caught between ‘too bright’ and ‘not bright enough’ and having to fret about it – if they obey the regulations then you can tell everyone complaining to get stuffed.
Ideally it would apply at an EU-level….oh, wait.
For daylight riding outside
For daylight riding outside of summer (in other words grey weather here) i have a medium light front on pulse, not so bright to dazzle unless you are looking straight into it from 3 feet away, in which case you have other things to worry about, and a rear luggage rack mounted one that does a knight-rider style sideways sequence, meaning it’s always lit, but the light shifts a bit to drawattantion. Once darkness draws in, bright front light, angled slightly down on steady and an extra rear light on a slow sequence to make sure I’m seen.
Front light is “claimed” at 4000 lumens, but I run 25% normally (seems closer to 600 really on that mode) but full power is handy when you’re on a segregated route at night and there’s suddenly a long stretch with no lighting working. (Remote switch to reduce power if I meet anyone of course)
Living in an area that does get REALLY dark in winter, I prefer to see “slightly too bright” than “cheapest micro lights I could get but now found I can’t find new batteries” or “Ninjas”
Surely it’s not about
Surely it’s not about brightness, it’s about where it’s pointing? Likewise with car headlights (which are vastly superior to bike lights), if they aren’t aligned properly they dazzle people, if they are then nobody is bothered.
Yorkshire wallet wrote:
No. The amount of light entering the eye of oncoming drivers/cyclists/pedestrians is a function of three factors:
-light output (brightness)
-beam pattern
-alignment
If your beam pattern is rubbish and the light is bright enough, it doesn’t matter where you point the bike, it will still dazzle people.
Also worth noting that I think the perceived dazzle is also affected by the size of the lens/reflector. I seem to recall that the same amount of light from a smaller point is more dazzling. (Think sun through magnifying glass – the pin prick of reflected light is more dazzling than the same amount of reflected sunlight falling over a wider area.) However, none of us really want huge lights as they’ll be heavy and not very aero.
Benefits of flashing lights:
Benefits of flashing lights:
1) Longer battery life.
Endex. Bloody stupid idea.
Flashing lights are banned in
Flashing lights are banned in Holland. In Germany they are as well, I think, with a legal minimum and maximum lumen for bike lights, which is surely the way to do it.
In Holland specifically you will be fined if:
– Your front light is not yellow or white (no green light shaped like a bicycle), and your back light is not red.
– Your lights flash
– Your lights are on your arms or head/helmet (have to be on bike or torso)
– Don’t have a red reflector on the rear of your bike, yellow ones on your pedals, and white ones on your rims/tyres
I hate flashing lights, front
I hate flashing lights, front or rear – makes it harder to judge distance when the light is there, not there, there, not there, etc.
In any case, I figure that there is enough movement in the bike to make the light move, at least side to side, to get it noticed.
Up front, I usually use a NiteRider Minewt 600 or Smart light, both of which have hooded beams, so ideal for road.
Rear is usually a CatEye and/or Smart one.
Cars don’t have flashing
Cars don’t have flashing headlights and, in striving where I can to inhabit the road much as a car would (taking the lane, signalling, obeying traffic lights etc., for the safety of all), I won’t use flashing lights either,” he added.
Cars do have flashing lights though, for attracting attention – indicators.
Their soid front lights are for seeing where they’re going, so as to avoid things in their path and the rear lights are…well, they’re there because drivers can’t be trusted to use the front ones for the purpose intended (above). The flashing indicators are there to attract the attention of other road users who may not expect them to change direction.
(and, to throw my tuppence in, flashing lights alone aren’t great for helping other road/path users work out where you are, but can assist in getting you noticed, so use them in conjunction with a solid light (without aiming either into the eyes on any oncomers)and you’re being as nice as possible)
I think people are missing
I think people are missing the point of super bright front lights.
I’ve got a few varieties of chinese made front lights with increasingly powerful lumen claims (e.g. 3000 lumens – I think it’s the Komodo 3000), so I usually aim them pointing slightly to the right and roughly horizontal. This enables oncoming traffic to have complete retina burnout and they usually start swerving uncontrollably and crash somewhere behind me. This prevents traffic from coming up behind me (due to the crashed car and emergency services etc) and thus makes me considerably safer.
I made a video of my light in flashing mode.
Traveling in traffic in
Traveling in traffic in London on dark evenings I regard flashing lights as essential to enable cards looking in their rear view mirror to distinguish bicycles from other queueing motor traffic. This is my opinion from sitting in the driving seat of a car…
Says something about how well
Says something about how well our democracy works that people consider writing things on old sofas to be more useful than writing to their MP.
FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:
I don’t think it’s an MP that’s causing the annoyance 😉
Is it that different from the ‘please slow down’ signs on wheelie bins?
What does one have to do to
What does one have to do to get banned? Not wear a helmet?
Yorkshire wallet wrote:
It was a combination of not wearing a helmet, using a mix of rim and disc brakes on the same wheel, putting di2 on a single-speed and fixing carrier bags to his handlebars in lieu of panniers.
Oh, and colourful socks as well.
Pretty sure SP59 got
Pretty sure SP59 got banhammered. Here’s a thread where we clashed on Owain Doull – only my first post from our exchange remains. It appears his historic comments have gone to Valhalla…
http://road.cc/content/news/218010-video-team-skys-owain-doull-says-disc-rotor-cut-through-his-shoe-knife-abu-dhabi#comments
He posted something tinfoil-hatty the other day on a thread about Westminster Bridge and that car nutter and Leviathan had a go at him. Next thing is its comments have decreased by half and I haven’t seen him since. Harsh.
davel wrote:
That is harsh, especially considering certain members here intentionally jump into new articles and try to bait him and not in a good humoured way. You actually deal with him appropriately, with humour and reasoning. And that’s all he needs, he’s not a bad guy and he’s not a troll, something that gets bandied around now that it’s become meaningless. If Python’s aggressive recently it’s because he has a few passive aggressive types who’re always on his nuts, and they’re calling him all sorts of shit and getting away with it. They can’t just have their say, they have to follow him around, thread to thread sniping at him.
Why don’t the mods pull those guys off the site too. They’re as tedious as they are unhappy with themselves clearly.
unconstituted wrote:
I don’t agree with him being banned (I’m biased as I agree with much of what he writes)… but you can see road.cc’s point of view: they don’t want to spend all their time banning and un-banning people when they could be out riding the review bicycles.
superpython95 will be sorely
superpython95 will be sorely missed – he was an institution
(albeit one somewhat akin to a 19th century insane asylum)
@unconstituted: My thoughts
@unconstituted: My thoughts exactly. Was a weird post to be banned for, IIRC.
I for one hope he is allowed
I for one hope he is allowed back, and am very sad that he has been removed. I may not have always agreed with him but I read all he had to say and looked forward to his eloquent outrage.
ktache wrote:
I don’t get the logic for it. It’s possible that his post was offensive and inappropriate for a commercial site, and that it just washed over me. But it wasn’t an explosion, ad-hommy or profane – not like that DM guy over Brexit.
I think it’s more that mods have had their eye on someone… I wonder whether they issue warnings. I wasn’t happy when Willo got chopped – he was a pain in the arse but it was more interesting with him around, and I was as bad as him for rowing BTL, just more in keeping with the prevalent viewpoints on here.
It’s very difficult to see
It’s very difficult to see you in the daylight unless you have extremely good front lights so flashing is a must. Bontreager have just released a version of an led daytime running light that may help. My rear is always flashing, sometimes I have 2 flashing on the front when I’m out at 5am in London. As long as you don’t harm or blind anyone then I think it’s better to be on the safe side!
jumbo469 wrote:
But in the daylight we already have this huge light source called “the sun” which I find is usually sufficient to see and be seen by. I never put lights on during daylight hours unless it’s foggy or raining.
You can never win, when I
You can never win, when I ride home on my mountain bike along some country roads, I turn my lights down to minimum setting, I can hardly see the road and they are angled down to illuminate about 2-5 m’s in front of me. Yet I have had cars come to a complete stop when coming the other way.
I have even had a driver complain at me, despite him driving through a village with street lighting, his lights on main beam & fog lights on. My response to him was ‘did you see me’, he said ‘yes’, I replied ‘they did their job then’. You can’t cater for all idiots.
I have stopped using the flash function at night on the road, as I have found that a number of drivers will give way to you if they do not know you are a cyclist, as soon as you use the flash mode they know you are a cyclist and will then treat you as such (i.e. not give you time or space). The only time I will use flash mode is during inclement conditions (heavy rain of fog) during daytime. Also there is no need to have flashing lights on off road tracks or cycleways.
When I am driving I prefer to see cyclists with bright lights & never had an issue with them solid or flashing.
martib wrote:
This clearly demonstrates the point I made earlier about the importance of beam pattern. It doesn’t matter where you point a bright light with an unsuitable-for-road beam pattern – it will still dazzle people.
I highly recommend to people that you try leaning your bike against a wall, then walking away and looking at it to see what it’s like from someone else’s perspective. It may surprise you. Having tried this with my cheap e-bay special, I took to shielding it with my hand with oncoming traffic (when hand was available) until I found a light with a better road beam.
We need more lights available at a sensible price with a sensible (clear cut-off line running horizontally, above which little light is directed) beam pattern. I know that for MTB, such lights are not sufficient however – they don’t pick out overhanging branches etc, so you need an additional easily-switchable light or beam equivalent to main beam on a motor vehicle.
Been told by drivers in the
Been told by drivers in the past that they find the flashing lights easier to see.
Nevertheless, I prefer to have one flashing, one solid.
By ‘flashing’ I mean not those horrible disco lights which do my head in.
Whatever light programme you
Whatever light programme you use just angle the beam below the horizontal. It’s never a good idea to blind oncoming car drivers. Can’t really blame drivers if you’re the one who blinded them.
You should have a set of
You should have a set of flashing lights and a set of constant lights – one to get noticed, one so drivers can judge distance more easily.