Police raid Xeccon stand at Eurobike in Knog patent dispute

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However, I bought one of those CREE lights off Ebay, dual light thing, and it lights the road up like nothing I've had before and it was £20. Why should I buy something over £100 for little to no increase in performance and a brand name?

And the Chinarellos? Looking on Youtube some of them seem like decent pieces of kit. Whether they one day fail on a 50mph descent and you wish you'd bought something else is another matter.

I would say that the large number of knock of electrical items from China which have caught fire while charging and have been found faulty is reason not to buy them.  You run as much risk buying fake electricals as you do fake frames.

I have a Razor Deathadder mouse which took me a year to realise was a fake. And it was the second time I'd bought that exact same model. The fake was super close to the original, so responsive. (Oddly the fake lastest longer than the original which developed problems, but could be a lot of reasons for that, definitely not saying the fake is better quality).

The other fake that caught me out was an LED Lenser H7R.2 All the functions worked just as they should, including the modes. I got suspiscious though when I noticed battery housing was a bit fiddly to close, so I checked the QR code on the packaging - wouldn't scan! Emails, pics and serial no. off to LED Lenser confirmed that yes, it was a fake. Noticed fast enough to get a refund from the seller this time. 

Kept it though, used it for years. Fantastic head torch and free 

Anyway, I'm curious about these Chinese frames from Dengfu, Workswell etc that people are raving about. They look amazing set up in pics, being R5 and Supersix Evo copies but blacked out, so to be expected. 

Ordered a Workswell 066 last week. Going to build a winter bike out of it and smash it hard to see if these Chinese frames really are up to the job. Even asked them to paint the top tube red like the current Cervelo R5 (no logos or anything though) cos it looks class I think. No problem for them, 30 dollars extra. Think total shipped was around £390? For frame, fork, seatpost, bottom bracket installed.

Could have built a wet weather steed cheaper by just eBaying something for like 500 quid, and I nearly did, but nothing excited me. In the end I wanted to build and test something as well get a winter bike out of it.

WIll report back after built and putting proper miles on it in the wet.

I think the main problem now is that the Chinese stuff isn't that shit anymore, so their 'copies' are more of threat to the main companies. Mix that in with the Chinese government dismissing all the cases of IP theft brough in China and you've got trouble. When Apple lose you know it's a problem.

However, I bought one of those CREE lights off Ebay, dual light thing, and it lights the road up like nothing I've had before and it was £20. Why should I buy something over £100 for little to no increase in performance and a brand name?

And the Chinarellos? Looking on Youtube some of them seem like decent pieces of kit. Whether they one day fail on a 50mph descent and you wish you'd bought something else is another matter.

Good advert for Xeccon, i am going to do an internet search for them now to see what bargains there are on offer.  Never heard of them before but I bet their website hits goes through the roof now.

I recently had to retire 3 (three) Knog lights because the silicon rubber band broke.

So only if the Xeccon would brake at the same rate they would be a perfect copy. 

I'm actually quite happy about this - while it's one thing for competition to encourage customer choice and reduced prices, outright copying is just theft.

The attitude and sense of entitlement that a vast number of Chinese companies show towards world-wide copyright law (i.e. other peoples hard-earned) pisses me right off.