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Do we need mandatory retesting for older drivers?

Suspended sentence for poor eyesight driver, 80, who killed cyclist after failing to see him, raises questions about retesting drivers above a certain age, says Cycling UK

The death of a cyclist following collision with an 80-year-old driver with known eyesight problems, who didn’t see him, has raised questions about driver retesting and medical fitness, says the national cycling charity.

George Barrett was sentenced to a suspended prison term and a lifetime driving disqualification, on Friday, for causing the death of Ian Jobson by careless driving on 10 June 2014. Barrett, then 78, had known about his sight problem since 2012, but was not wearing his glasses on the day of the collision, when he failed a roadside driving test. He denied the charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

Jobson’s family has urged people who know they can’t see well enough to think twice about driving. Cycling UK (formerly CTC), says the case raises questions over how the DVLA regulates and tests fitness of drivers whose reaction times and sight are declining, against the backdrop of an ageing population.

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In a statement it said: “Cycling UK recognises that sentencing elderly and otherwise law-abiding citizens for driving offences, when they have a long and largely unblemished driving record, is an unenviable task for judges more accustomed to punishing offenders they perceive the prisons were designed for.

“This case however, not for the first time, raises the increasingly important issue of how, with an ageing population where people want to maintain independence and continue driving as long as possible, the DVLA regulates and tests the fitness to drive of those whose reactions, sight and road confidence are declining.”

Barrett, who failed a second eyesight tests a few months after the crash, was sentenced to 12 weeks’ custody suspended for 12 months, and is the subject of a three month curfew, from 8pm to 8am. Cycling UK questions why he was still allowed to drive, and has asked for consideration of compulsory driving tests for drivers above a certain age.

Jobson, who was a member of the Tandem Club, regularly rode as the sighted pilot with a partially-sighted stoker.

Cycling UK said: “In a cruel twist of fate, a compassionate man who gave his own time to work with and support SeeAbility, an organisation which assists adults with visual and other disabilities, lost his own life when Barrett declined to deal with and accept the consequences of a sight problem which he had been aware of since 2012.” 

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Jobson’s daughter, Erica Popplewell, believes the lifetime ban reflects the seriousness of the offence and urges people whose sight is failing to think twice about driving. She said: “Anyone whose eyesight or ability to drive is deteriorating should ask themselves whether they should still be driving. I hope that what happened here also prompts people to ask their family members the same difficult question when they are aware that their eyesight is going or they are no longer safe to drive.”

In 2013 new powers were given to police under legislation known as Cassie’s Law, introduced following the death of an 11-year-old girl, who died after being hit by a car driven by 87-year-old Colin Horsfall, who had failed a police eyesight test just a few days earlier.

Sally Preece was killed in 2014 when 78-year-old Kenneth McLelland hit her head on while he overtook a slow-moving campervan on a winding mountain road, arguably highlighting the dangers posed when those unfit to drive go undetected.

Cycling UK adds: “Should some of these drivers still be on the roads, should we be looking again at driver re-testing, and how do we ensure that medical fitness to drive involves more than self-certification?”

 

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turnerc99 | 8 years ago
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Retest everyone...if you limit it to the over 60s (for example) they'll feel victimised, and probably point out that a higher proportion of accidents are caused by younger drivers. It will be a nuisance to have to renew every few years, but surely it's a reasonable requirement when you're in control of a tonne of metal travelling at 70mph. 

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pablo | 8 years ago
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Everybody has known about this issue for years the only reason it hasn't been delt with is politics.  No political party wants to been seen taking away the 'right' of older people to drive.  More importantly older people tend to vote more no political party is that brave nothing will change unless the public get behind it. 

I'm late 30's and believe every one should have their driving assessed I don't have a problem with it may even learn a few things. Young drivers should be reassessed a year after passing their test and then every 5 years until 60-65 and then increasing in frequency.   It doesn't have to be a full driving test but a drive around a mixture of roads 30 minutes and a quick eye test.  If they failed this test you would have to go on a short course one or two days and a test at the end.  If you don't pass your license is suspended until you can pass.  This leaves the opportunity still open but most people unfit wouldn't bother.  

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brooksby replied to pablo | 8 years ago
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pablo wrote:

Everybody has known about this issue for years the only reason it hasn't been delt with is politics.  No political party wants to been seen taking away the 'right' of older people to drive.  More importantly older people tend to vote more no political party is that brave nothing will change unless the public get behind it. 

Part of the problem is that for many elderly people a car has become the most viable method of getting around to the places that they need to- buses are a minimal service for many routes (even factoring in a free bus pass), and successive governments have allowed supermarkets and even hospitals to be either literally or effectively 'out of town '.

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RGN007 replied to pablo | 1 year ago
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I've seen so many pass but can't reverse. Also some individuals of any age seem to have poor spatial intelligence and terrible at judging their driving space. It isn't age related either. One driver scraped right along my car whilst I had stopped, anticipating there wasn't room, but she ploughed straight on. Cyclists are guilty too, "overtaking" where there's insufficient space when cars are stationary at lights.

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Stumps | 8 years ago
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The driving test standard needs to be of a much higher level, almost advanced driver standards as its far to easy.

Instructors nowadays dont teach you to drive, they teach you to pass the test.

 

I have to agree with superpython in that everyone should be retested every five years, its commonsense.

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wycombewheeler replied to Stumps | 8 years ago
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AWPeleton wrote:

The driving test standard needs to be of a much higher level, almost advanced driver standards as its far to easy.

Instructors nowadays dont teach you to drive, they teach you to pass the test.

 

I have to agree with superpython in that everyone should be retested every five years, its commonsense.

 

Not just these, days

I remember when I was being taught  (1991), I asked the instructor ‘why?’ he said ‘just do what I tell you, don’t question me and you will pass.’ He didn’t stay my instructor.

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CygnusX1 | 8 years ago
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To answer the question posed in the article heading... in a word, YES.

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1961BikiE | 8 years ago
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As stated the vast majority of the population believe that driving a vehicle is a right. Once the test is passed the only time they think about the license is when they get points. This is reinforced by how we operate licensing in our society. How many drivers get let off a ban when they exceed the points allocation by pleading they need to drive for business or something in their personal lives? Funnily this never occurs to them over the multiple driving offenses that they have to commit to achieve enough points to earn a license suspension!

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Canyon48 | 8 years ago
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Compare motorists with aviaiton and you'll see why testing and medicals are important.

For even the most basic Private Pilot's License you need a new medical exam every five years and you have to do a check flight with an instructor every year. This is part of the reason why there are so few fatalities.

If something similar (thought not as darastic) was applied to motorists, I imagine it would be much safer out there. As a new driver, watching what some people do on the roads is rather eye opening.

And what about the cost? Well my driving test and theory only cost £85, paying that every 10 years is hardly significant. It could be very quickly and simply introduced by having a combined theory/eyesight/reaction test for older/all driver to sit.

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Kim | 8 years ago
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The fundamental issue here is that driving is seen as a right when in fact it is not, it is a privilege granted under licence. The perceived "right" of the motorist trumps all others, including the right to safe mobility of the non motorised majority. Until we redress this imbalance the freedom of mobility of the most vulnerable in society will be restricted for the benefit of the privileged.

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patto583 | 8 years ago
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At 60, and every few years thereafter (3 or 5 perhaps) you should have to be medically signed off as capable of driving. The only hard and fast requirement for driving at the moment is eyesight I think, so it's difficult to test anything else without major changes, which I think are necessary, but will take longer to implement, and I would like to see something done sooner rather than later.

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tourdelound | 8 years ago
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I hold a fork lift truck licence as well as a driving licence, to keep my fork lift licence I have to be re-tested every three years. I can see no reason why this shouldn't apply to a driving licence also. It ensures you operate the vehicle competently and safely.

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Redvee replied to tourdelound | 8 years ago
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tourdelound wrote:

I hold a fork lift truck licence as well as a driving licence, to keep my fork lift licence I have to be re-tested every three years.

 

That is more down to workplace insurance but does stop bad habits creeping in long term. I had my LLOP and PPT retest back in December and only dropped two points on the LLOP test which was taken first.

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brooksby | 8 years ago
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Self certification is a get-out clause, for people who don't think they're that bad... Certification by a third party who is not personally involved, and/or mandatory re-testing, is a far better option IMO.

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