Most Combative Rider Award

sm wrote:

... I don't think it's right that we attack enrique for voicing an opinion....

Thanks...

sm wrote:

... Enrique, take the time to read TERatcliffe's points and consider this next time you post...

I will... Appreciate it...

sm wrote:

... I like the subjective nature of the combative award. It rewards excellence and points to an achievement that cannot be summed up simply by saying I came first, second or third. It says: today this rider was special beyond the boundaries of the race and here we honour this special effort with our judgement.

I like it, too! I just think it's a lot of points for someone who probably already (!) racked up a lot of points

TERatcliffe26 wrote:

... Why not say things like what does everyone think of this aspect of the game... rather than jumping straight in with I don't like x so we should get rid of it...

Ok, (sigh!) Let me try a different approach...

What do you guys think of reconsidering the points awarded for the Combativity Award and lowering it to 5 points only next year?

TERatcliffe26 wrote:

Enrique the biggest problem is your initial expression of your opinion then... it comes across as 'I don't like it so we shouldn't have it'...

TER, you're right... I can't help but to write things like this and then I have no idea how it comes across so arrogantly I do love this game, but I am kind of unaware of how others take my tone online... It's probably a family and cultural thing... We have so many fights a day in my family it's incredible! We annoy the crap out of each other, get iritated, slap each other around and get on with it! No arrogance intended, really... I guess I come from a feisty crowd!

drheaton wrote:

... I have one question though, did you have Cav in your team yesterday?

I did...

I also had these other idiots on my team!

Ferrari, Goss and Degenkolb... By the way, would you put your money on Goss and Degenkold making it to the end to contest Monday's stage? You think Cav, will make it?

chiv30 wrote:

Why? It's no different to any other tour , it's judged by the commissaires and as such is as random as it comes...

Obviously, this is just my opinion, and, of course, just a suggestion...

But, this is why...

I think all the other categories are based on facts... The order you crossed a line, the order you got to the finish, the order you went over a mountain, etc...

This award feels weirdly out of place to me in what I think of as a fact or numbers driven game...

I almost feel like this is akin to playing fantasy basketball and getting points awarded to Lebron James if he is on your team because he got voted the MVP of the game...

In my mind, because he is the MVP, his stats should show how good he is without having to shower him with even more (!) points... He already outdid the competititon by outrebounding, outscoring, out-assisting, outblocking, outpassing them, and his stats should show it, why throw more points his way because he did this? It sort of becomes a one-man show, like today, and I, personally, like a game of numbers (!)... But, of course that just me! ;)...

As a rider, Cavendish already got his points by crossing the line first... why should he get more? - in the game! - because he was 'more combative'? Was he any 'more' comabtive than Viviani? Was he any 'more' combative than Wurf or Visconti today?

I don't thimk so! He's just a better sprinter, has more endurance in a sprint, has better technical knowledge, or whatever reason you might care to believe! He got it done. He got the points! That's it. Let it be. No more points for Cavendish today!

I feel it's a little offensive to give an award like that and then reward it - in the game - with more points towards what was already an outstanding performance... I mean he got the finish line points, the PC points, the GC points, the intermediate points and then 'most combative'points? Too much, if you ask me!

I think I would have felt the same way if Wurf had won the stage and he got the Combativity Award! I would have been like, crap! He already won the stage, got all the breakaway points and (!) the finish line points and now he also (?) gets 'beauty' (?) points? Because he was judged (!) most combative?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for (!) the award in the race itself! It's like a pat on the back for an exemplary show of guts and determination... I just don't like it as a point-getter in the competition and well, like the game so much (!), analytically speaking, that I love expressing my opinion about its little details and what i think should be done or would like it to be like... Regardless, it's just an opinion! A very personal one, but not an imposition!

chiv30 wrote:

Why is it only now you have requested not to have it?...

The truth is I had never noticed it before! I don't look that closely at all the scores and I honestly hadn't noticed we were giving points for that in the game until drheaton pointed it out on the other thread... Anyways, it's just an opinion...

For all it's worth, remember this issue from the Vuelta al Pais Vasco Stage 4 thread?

stumps wrote:

Personally i think if its a summit finish you should get KOM points, you would if it was a mountain earlier in the stage so why not here ?

I agreed then and I agree now. If it's a number or a stat, count it! With this one, in my opinion, don't!