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have seen yr near miss feature video. in light of recent fox cub news story wd it be possible / of interest to cycling activists to rig up covert cameras at locations of interest to cycling safety? i'm thinking of known dangerous junctions or such like.  it wd be interesting to see govt roadside cctv footage on this issue but it's not available to the public.

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hawkinspeter [3598 posts] 1 week ago
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I think it'd be interesting and could catch out a lot of drivers, but I think it'd be best to check with the relevant police first as they'd have to review all the submitted footage. I guess the camera operator would need to first review all of the camera footage to find any suspected offences and then raise a separate report for each one, but the local police might not be set up to deal with tens/hundreds of incidents per day. Also, the police may have no interest in prosecuting every single vehicle that jumps red lights or encroaches ASLs.

I'm not sure if you'd be required to put up CCTV notices for the recording of a public space and you'd also need to consider that someone could probably steal the camera quite easily.

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redrobot [24 posts] 1 week ago
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my suggestion wasnt aimed at prosecutions so much as gathering evidence to pressure for road layout changes. some roads have built in hazards that cd be changed with a jcb and a truck load of tarmac. there are qualified road safety specialists who cd produce (probably expensive) reports based on public concerns / evidence.  lives v money.

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hawkinspeter [3598 posts] 1 week ago
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redrobot wrote:

my suggestion wasnt aimed at prosecutions so much as gathering evidence to pressure for road layout changes. some roads have built in hazards that cd be changed with a jcb and a truck load of tarmac. there are qualified road safety specialists who cd produce (probably expensive) reports based on public concerns / evidence.  lives v money.

I see.

Unfortunately, that sounds like trying to get local councils to look at evidence about safe road layouts which seems to be like kryptonite to most councils.

Councils don't listen to cyclists' concerns currently, so I doubt that they'd listen to cyclists with hours of video footage.

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redrobot [24 posts] 1 week ago
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apart from cycle lanes (a guess) what wd be the top 3 improvements to road infrastructure that cyclists wd want?

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redrobot [24 posts] 1 week ago
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> i see <

 

are you a headmaster?

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brooksby [4451 posts] 1 week ago
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redrobot wrote:

> i see <

 

are you a headmaster?

And are you twelve years old, perchance? 

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hawkinspeter [3598 posts] 1 week ago
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redrobot wrote:

apart from cycle lanes (a guess) what wd be the top 3 improvements to road infrastructure that cyclists wd want?

For me, it's not so much about the infrastructure as it always seems so poorly thought out in the UK with cycle lanes that don't have priority over side junctions and that can stop abruptly leaving the cyclists in a dangerous position.

I'd rather we tackled the attitude and behaviour of the dangerous drivers, so my top 3 would be:

  • presumed liability
  • strict traffic law enforcement
  • education about how and why cyclists ride as they do (e.g. two abreast, not using poor infrastructure, taking the lane to dissuade overtakes etc.) and how drivers should behave near vulnerable road users

Personally, I'd also like to see a "left-on-red" rule for cyclists (and possibly other vehicles if they can do it safely) and also a legal right to go either way down one-way roads (priority to the signed direction of traffic flow though).

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ConcordeCX [1075 posts] 1 week ago
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redrobot wrote:

apart from cycle lanes (a guess) what wd be the top 3 improvements to road infrastructure that cyclists wd want?

not cycle lanes.

1. Reduce volume of motor traffic (preferably to buses and emergency services only)

2. Reduce speed of motor traffic

3. Improve road layouts in favour of cyclists

... see Hierarchy of provision

 

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Griff500 [364 posts] 1 week ago
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You will probably find that what you propose is illegal. There are strict guidelines on individuals setting up fixed CCTV to record outwith their own property. This is very different to a dashcam or helmet cam! I suspect your proposed installation would very quickly be tested by "Mr Loophole" or some other scumbag lawyer wheeled in by a traffic light jumping 4x4 driver arguing that the evidence was illegally collected.