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have seen yr near miss feature video. in light of recent fox cub news story wd it be possible / of interest to cycling activists to rig up covert cameras at locations of interest to cycling safety? i'm thinking of known dangerous junctions or such like.  it wd be interesting to see govt roadside cctv footage on this issue but it's not available to the public.

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hawkinspeter [4096 posts] 4 months ago
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I think it'd be interesting and could catch out a lot of drivers, but I think it'd be best to check with the relevant police first as they'd have to review all the submitted footage. I guess the camera operator would need to first review all of the camera footage to find any suspected offences and then raise a separate report for each one, but the local police might not be set up to deal with tens/hundreds of incidents per day. Also, the police may have no interest in prosecuting every single vehicle that jumps red lights or encroaches ASLs.

I'm not sure if you'd be required to put up CCTV notices for the recording of a public space and you'd also need to consider that someone could probably steal the camera quite easily.

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redrobot [24 posts] 4 months ago
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my suggestion wasnt aimed at prosecutions so much as gathering evidence to pressure for road layout changes. some roads have built in hazards that cd be changed with a jcb and a truck load of tarmac. there are qualified road safety specialists who cd produce (probably expensive) reports based on public concerns / evidence.  lives v money.

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hawkinspeter [4096 posts] 4 months ago
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redrobot wrote:

my suggestion wasnt aimed at prosecutions so much as gathering evidence to pressure for road layout changes. some roads have built in hazards that cd be changed with a jcb and a truck load of tarmac. there are qualified road safety specialists who cd produce (probably expensive) reports based on public concerns / evidence.  lives v money.

I see.

Unfortunately, that sounds like trying to get local councils to look at evidence about safe road layouts which seems to be like kryptonite to most councils.

Councils don't listen to cyclists' concerns currently, so I doubt that they'd listen to cyclists with hours of video footage.

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redrobot [24 posts] 4 months ago
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apart from cycle lanes (a guess) what wd be the top 3 improvements to road infrastructure that cyclists wd want?

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redrobot [24 posts] 4 months ago
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> i see <

 

are you a headmaster?

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brooksby [5039 posts] 4 months ago
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redrobot wrote:

> i see <

 

are you a headmaster?

And are you twelve years old, perchance? 

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hawkinspeter [4096 posts] 4 months ago
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redrobot wrote:

apart from cycle lanes (a guess) what wd be the top 3 improvements to road infrastructure that cyclists wd want?

For me, it's not so much about the infrastructure as it always seems so poorly thought out in the UK with cycle lanes that don't have priority over side junctions and that can stop abruptly leaving the cyclists in a dangerous position.

I'd rather we tackled the attitude and behaviour of the dangerous drivers, so my top 3 would be:

  • presumed liability
  • strict traffic law enforcement
  • education about how and why cyclists ride as they do (e.g. two abreast, not using poor infrastructure, taking the lane to dissuade overtakes etc.) and how drivers should behave near vulnerable road users

Personally, I'd also like to see a "left-on-red" rule for cyclists (and possibly other vehicles if they can do it safely) and also a legal right to go either way down one-way roads (priority to the signed direction of traffic flow though).

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ConcordeCX [1178 posts] 4 months ago
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redrobot wrote:

apart from cycle lanes (a guess) what wd be the top 3 improvements to road infrastructure that cyclists wd want?

not cycle lanes.

1. Reduce volume of motor traffic (preferably to buses and emergency services only)

2. Reduce speed of motor traffic

3. Improve road layouts in favour of cyclists

... see Hierarchy of provision

 

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Griff500 [443 posts] 4 months ago
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You will probably find that what you propose is illegal. There are strict guidelines on individuals setting up fixed CCTV to record outwith their own property. This is very different to a dashcam or helmet cam! I suspect your proposed installation would very quickly be tested by "Mr Loophole" or some other scumbag lawyer wheeled in by a traffic light jumping 4x4 driver arguing that the evidence was illegally collected.

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starchild [30 posts] 3 months ago
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I'd like to see drivers of vehicles legally obligated or expected to protect more vulnerable road users - like treating cyclists & pedestrians as children, but in a good way.

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Rick_Rude [407 posts] 3 months ago
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Griff500 wrote:

You will probably find that what you propose is illegal. There are strict guidelines on individuals setting up fixed CCTV to record outwith their own property. This is very different to a dashcam or helmet cam! I suspect your proposed installation would very quickly be tested by "Mr Loophole" or some other scumbag lawyer wheeled in by a traffic light jumping 4x4 driver arguing that the evidence was illegally collected.

Well there's no right to privacy if filmed in a public space. What's the difference in a fixed camera over someone standing there filming? The hurdle would probably be exactly where they were filming. If you had to attach it to someone's private property it would a problem. Likewise most stuff that isn't private will be council so you've got that problem. 

At the end of the day the police seem more interested in transphobic tweets and the like so it seems a waste of time. The only solution is to identify as the opposite sex when cycling and tell them it's a hate crime if you run into trouble. 

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Boatsie [474 posts] 3 months ago
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redrobot wrote:

apart from cycle lanes (a guess) what wd be the top 3 improvements to road infrastructure that cyclists wd want?

Local council built a path. Similar to a canal path yet super smooth.. I like that.. From home to work is a relatively straight ride where as home to work in a car is an extra 4km. 7km compared to 11km.
Hence wider paths such as river paths are excellent.

2. Not so much councils.. A picture from one of the local 24/7 service stations.. Heaps awesome especially on fatties and similar Max 60psi tyres. Bike stand to get off the cold ground and tools in a secure location to fix minor issues.

3. Tax return. Cents per km to carry tools in vehicle to work is currently an earnings return benefit available to the workers.. Panniers can carry some jobs tools.. A tax return incentive could be a likeable less cost to workers too.

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Boatsie [474 posts] 3 months ago
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Years ago the council made free maps. 6 or 7 of them, give or take. They covered the paths of this city.
They were the most awesome cyclists tool box improvement.. Maybe leave them at home to keep safe from harm yet with a look a cyclist could plan a journey including river paths and so forth that aren't normally seen from a motorists view.
With such came an understanding of how to use fast efficient travels and scenic rides past oxygen releasing trees in or near a city centre. The city expanded bicycle paths and lanes to include (last look at figures) more than 640km worth of dedicated bicycle paths. The maps read how to use these.

Nowadays I think bicycle SA, lends free bikes to use day. If knot cycling your thing, give them a ring.
I like wide tyres.. Easier to inflate and carry more weight. Slightly slower on real smooth but don't get stuck in a groove.
A road not a race track..
(Unless you wanna fang down from the summit at noon this Saturday. Through Waterfall Gulley bike path.. By then you'd have lost me or I'd have lost you yet breathing with a smile. Close ratio 52-11,52-12,52-13,52-14,52-15 on fatties. Lol)
Enjoy