[2old2mould]

Just wondering how other zwifters who had Grandfather rights feel about the leap on cost for Zwift coming at the end of this month.

A few questions from me:

1. They are investing in running which I am not bothered about and can’t see myself ever using. However, I’m subsidising that development. Should they split the subsciption into Cyclist, Runner, Both? Would that be fairer?

2. The new NYC course is boring. On days when they run it on the server I usually use the RGT or VertuGo betas instead. Should they have an option to (easily) change the maps?

I’m rapidly getting bored with Zwift and the increase is a bit of a shame as a supporter of their’s from the Beta stage. Perhaps they should have taken a leaf out of Trainerroad’s book and given lifetime grandfather rights?

 

2o2m

 

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[Martyn_K]

Ahh the Zwift price increase

Ahh the Zwift price increase causing discussion on this forum too. Zwift really has most of what any cyclist is looking for in the winter (and for time poor in the summer).

You can ride training plans that although are a little ‘cookie cut’ will get a new or intermediate rider stronger over a few months. What is the cost of a personal coach to do the same job?

You can race, race and then race some more. All within a single monthy charge which is likely not as expensive as a single real life race entry (plus no travel expenses!).

If you just want to ride then it is there, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. It fits in to your schedule. Flat routes, short climbs, middle distance climbs or long hauls up AdZ are all available.

 

I’ll admit that i did not like it in beta. I also had a dumb trainer and no power meter so interaction was limited and put me off for a couple of years. However i now have a smart trainer, a power meter (so i can cross reference road & trainer efforts) and a gaming PC. I am a convert. Since becoming a dad 8 weeks ago time is also valuable to me, so a couple of hours on zwift instead of 4-5 hours out on the road is good for me.

In short, i think the value is very good when you add up the possibilities of the platform that are already available and if you use a little imagination to mix things up yourself.

[barongreenback]

Thanks Dave.  I think Zwift

Thanks Dave.  I think Zwift have a really good solution there for the riders as well as some nifty marketing opportunities like the Ride London and Innsbruck Worlds that they have already done.  Expand Watopia and add courses like New York for the novelty.

Now for them to sort out their ‘flexible’ training plans…

[dave atkinson]

On world swap:

On world swap:

 

https://zwift.com/news/9309-mapchoice

[Anonymous]

It’s been 9 months since I

It’s been 9 months since I was on Zwift but on my genuinely rubbish and very old laptop, the graphics were more than good enough for my tastes.  If you’re worried about a lack of realism on the leaves, the snow, or the fur on the squirrel, I’d suggest you’re not working hard enough. 😉

[jacknorell]

Zwift graphics may not be

Zwift graphics may not be great compared to latest-gen games… but you also don’t need a gaming PC for ~£1,500 to run it. Don’t know about you, but I certainly don’t want to invest even more after the pricey smart trainer.

[arckuk]

I agree that Zwift graphics

I agree that Zwift graphics (while pretty enough) are pretty basic compared to high end PC and console games, but I really don’t care less, they’re more than good enough for purpose. I use Zwift pretty much exclusively for racing, and my focus is far more on what other users are doing than admiring higher definition textures etc. My recent laptop with a crappy graphics chip is able to run it perfectly well at 1080p. Without racing, I’d get pretty bored of Zwift pretty quickly, I think, group rides and structured training are far less fun.

World selection is apparently coming soon, but ultimately I think Zwift needs to improve the gameplay/experience side of things, which has remained pretty static for years over adding yet more worlds.

For the money, I usually do 2-3 races per week at about £1.50 a time, which seems decent enough value to me. It’ll be a long while before the subscription cost exceeds the cost of my Neo (not a fair comparison, but I need both to take part).

Runners are probably a much larger market than riders, maybe they’ll be subsidising us soon!

[wattagecottage]

2old2mould wrote:

2old2mould wrote:

CXR94Di2 wrote:

That’s a shame, Zwift will miss you.

 

Meanwhile I absolutely love it, cheap as chips for an excellent platform 😀

Thanks, but please read the post. I didn’t say I was leaving. Glad you enjoy it and find it good value, but for me it’s quite limited if you don’t use the training plans (I use Trainerroad) or the racing (I have a WB Atom so racing is terrible). What do you think though about splitting the cost for running and cycling? Would that not make more sense than paying for stuff you don’t use?

 

Your subscription only pays for the cycling platform. Running is in Beta, like Zwift cycling was a few years back (it was also free then). Eventually, runners will have to pay a seperate subsciption.

[CXR94Di2]

If you run a PC, then you can

If you run a PC, then you can select which routes you want.     The Alpe D Zwift route is something like 8 miles to the start, a nice distance with a few rises to warm the legs before the ascent.  I have the Wahoo Climb so my bike raises the front forks to match angle of road. 😀

[barongreenback]

I’m in the middle of a Zwift

I’m in the middle of a Zwift training plan at the moment but once finished at the end of the year, I’m not sure if I will continue unless course selection is added.  After doing the FTP builder I want to do some old fashioned training if the weather is bad e.g. get better at riding up hills by riding up hills.  Having the standard start points is also irritating – to get to a specific section sometimes takes far longer than a decent warm up.

The graphics look fine to me but then again, I’m not a big gamer and I run on AppleTV and iPad.

[CXR94Di2]

2old2mould wrote:

2old2mould wrote:

CXR94Di2 wrote:

That’s a shame, Zwift will miss you.

 

Meanwhile I absolutely love it, cheap as chips for an excellent platform 😀

Thanks, but please read the post. I didn’t say I was leaving. Glad you enjoy it and find it good value, but for me it’s quite limited if you don’t use the training plans (I use Trainerroad) or the racing (I have a WB Atom so racing is terrible). What do you think though about splitting the cost for running and cycling? Would that not make more sense than paying for stuff you don’t use?

 

Im happy to pay for two subscriptions of TrainerRoad and Zwift.  I combine them on one screen which allows me the use TR workout plans whilst having visuals of Zwift to pass the time. 

My subs cost is of little concern and how Zwift use it.  Zwift was a cycle platform first. 

PS sell the Atom quick and buy a Neo/Kickr/Cyclops  or wait for the Tacx bike due out 2019

[2old2mould]

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Quit Zwift a while ago as spring arrived and I don’t think I’ll go back if they’re still doing that stupid schedule thing. I want to climb, that’s about it. Richmond and London were totally shit apart from their small sprint climbs.

May reinstall Bkool as apparently they have improved the interface which was always VERY annoying.

The graphics on all of these things are also crap really. Play a current gen game and compare to Zwift or Bkool, they look like mobile phone games

vs Zwift

Agree, the graphics are a bit ‘chip shop’.

[2old2mould]

CXR94Di2 wrote:

CXR94Di2 wrote:

That’s a shame, Zwift will miss you.

 

Meanwhile I absolutely love it, cheap as chips for an excellent platform 😀

Thanks, but please read the post. I didn’t say I was leaving.

Glad you enjoy it and find it good value, but for me it’s quite limited if you don’t use the training plans (I use Trainerroad) or the racing (I have a WB Atom so racing is terrible).

What do you think though about splitting the cost for running and cycling? Would that not make more sense than paying for stuff you don’t use?

[CXR94Di2]

JimD666 wrote:

JimD666 wrote:

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Quit Zwift a while ago as spring arrived and I don’t think I’ll go back if they’re still doing that stupid schedule thing. I want to climb, that’s about it. Richmond and London were totally shit apart from their small sprint climbs.

May reinstall Bkool as apparently they have improved the interface which was always VERY annoying.

The graphics on all of these things are also crap really. Play a current gen game and compare to Zwift or Bkool, they look like mobile phone games

vs Zwift

Bkool interface still sucks. Still my Indoor program of choice though. Being able to ride (virtually) and see sights I’d otherwise never see or being able to recreate my own normal Summer routes is what will keep me there. Just trying to get them to reset my previous times at the moment. Using the Kickr now rather than the Bkool Pro is showing some rather differing times 🙂

 

The infamous Bkool boost 

[Anonymous]

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Quit Zwift a while ago as spring arrived and I don’t think I’ll go back if they’re still doing that stupid schedule thing. I want to climb, that’s about it. Richmond and London were totally shit apart from their small sprint climbs.

May reinstall Bkool as apparently they have improved the interface which was always VERY annoying.

The graphics on all of these things are also crap really. Play a current gen game and compare to Zwift or Bkool, they look like mobile phone games

vs Zwift

Bkool interface still sucks.

Still my Indoor program of choice though. Being able to ride (virtually) and see sights I’d otherwise never see or being able to recreate my own normal Summer routes is what will keep me there.

Just trying to get them to reset my previous times at the moment. Using the Kickr now rather than the Bkool Pro is showing some rather differing times 🙂

[fukawitribe]

You can choose worlds (and

You can choose worlds (and default course for each) anytime you want using zwiftpref

 

https://zwifthacks.com/zwiftpref/

 

..so you could, if you wish, choose to always ride the Alpe du Zwift on Watopia with a one-time setup on that app. Rumour still has it that official world selection in the pipe-line at some point, and race / event organisers can already select which world they want to use regardless of the schedule.

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