The Royal Parks has been accused of having “lost the plot” after reacting to yesterday’s launch of trial electric scooter hire schemes by banning them from the green spaces it looks after – including Richmond Park, where campaigners have been urging for motor vehicles to be banned.
As our sister website eBikeTips reported yesterday, Transport for London (TfL) has announced that from next month, the capital will finally join a number of other cities around the country in trialling three electric scooter hire schemes.
> Three London e-scooter trials to begin in June – with additional safety measures imposed
But a spokeswoman for The Royal Parks insisted that “we do not permit – and we have no plans to permit – the use of e-scooters in the parks.”
Social media users subsequently pointed out what they see as the absurdity of banning electric scooters from the parks, while permitting motor vehicles.
What’s going on here, @theroyalparks? How can you justify allowing cars but not e-scooters? Surely you’d ban the cars long before you’d ban escooters? Personally I prefer bicycles, but I’d much rather an e-scooter rider than a car driver on the Richmond Park R25 motorway.
— Fully Vaccinated CyclingMikey. ?????? (@MikeyCycling) May 18, 2021
In #RichmondPark Consultation majority wanted through traffic banned because noise, disturbance of nature reserve etc. Obviously majority didn’t know what they were voting for as council asks for extended consultation! ? But @theroyalparks bans Escooters straight off ? pic.twitter.com/j3NxxvUFL6
— KT2&Me (@kt2_me) May 18, 2021
A short play about UK road safety.
“Yeah, but somebody is killed or injured every 20 minutes on Britain’s roads. What can we do about it?”
?”I know! I know!!
Let’s restrict e-scooters to 12.5mph and ban them from parks.”
“Solved. Next.”https://t.co/eXNjTc9Qa1
— ButCyclists ??♂️???? (@but_cyclists) May 18, 2021
On the left: “unacceptable risk”; on the right: the status quo. The Royal Parks have lost the plot. pic.twitter.com/TMssfdor85
— The Department of Parks & Recreation ? (@ldnparks) May 19, 2021
In common with trials underway in around 50 other locations around the country, the hire scooters, operated in London by Dott, Lime and Tier, will be covered by group third party motor insurance policies and will also carry identification numbers.
They are restricted to 12.5mph and can be ridden on the road and in parks, but not on footways, and many schemes are geofenced so that scooters cannot be ridden outside the designated trial area.
They will be available in a select group of boroughs – Ealing, Hammersmith and Fulham, Kensington and Chelsea, Richmond and the City of London – as well as in the Canary Wharf development, and can also be ridden through (but not hired or left in) Tower Hamlets.
Other boroughs have also expressed an interest in participating. But The Royal Parks – which is responsible parks including Kensington Gardens, part of which lies in the Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea, plus Richmond Park and Bushy Park, both of which are in Richmond upon Thames, has made it clear that scooters hired under the pilot scheme are not welcome on its roads.
A spokeswoman for The Royal Parks said: “The parks and other open spaces we care for are principally places for quiet recreation and where pedestrians have priority.
“It is important that all our visitors feel safe in the parks and we believe that the speed and stealth of e-scooters will have a negative impact on people’s experience of the parks, particularly those with young families, with mobility challenges or with a visual or hearing impairment.
“Allowing e-scooters to operate in the parks could discourage those who wish to walk to and through the parks and undermine the ambience of the green spaces.
“We will watch the London trial with interest, but we do not permit – and we have no plans to permit – the use of e-scooters in the parks,” she added.
Earlier this year, The Royal Parks extended by 12 months its Movement Strategy following a consultation period that closed in January and saw massive support for banning through traffic (unlike the other Royal Parks, roads within Regent’s Park are the responsibility of a separate body the Crown Estate Paving Commission).
Under current road traffic law, outside the trials currently taking place, e-scooters are banned from UK roads, and police have been known to seize privately-owned ones being ridden illegally on the highway, with riders subject to a fine of up to £300.

50 thoughts on “Royal Parks accused of having “lost the plot” over banning electric scooters”
A spokeswoman for The Royal
A spokeswoman for The Royal Parks said: “The parks and other open spaces we care for are principally places for quiet recreation and where pedestrians have priority.
“It is important that all our visitors feel safe in the parks and we believe that the speed
and stealth of e-scootersand size of cars will have a negative impact on people’s experience of the parks, particularly those with young families, with mobility challenges or with a visual or hearing impairment.“Allowing
e-scooterscars to operate in the parks could discourage those who wish to walk to and through the parks and undermine the ambience of the green spaces.“We will watch the London trial with interest, but we do not permit – and we have no plans to permit – the use of
e-scooterscars in the parks,” she added.The Royal Parks is a
The Royal Parks is a charitable trust. The board of trustees will be the sorts of entitled, out of touch, conservatively minded buffoons who like to drive wherever they like. They don’t get cycling or anything else that’s not their status quo.
It’s not complicated. Good old fashioned self-interest.
Yes, but there’s out of touch
Yes, but there’s out of touch and there’s really out of touch!
As a ‘charitable trust’ do they not need a mission statement which the Charity Commission have to approve? Their press release re the e-scooter trial contains some obvious contradictions, as mentioned above.
Usual ill thought out twaddle
Usual ill thought out twaddle here created by the crappy click bait. Why would you want e scooters in a park? They will be everywhere, nt just on the road. The totally irresponsible use of them shows that.
Banging on about cars is a different point but at least they are used on the roads part whereas scooters go where the hell they want. Both need to be banned as do any cyclist of the road.
mattsccm wrote:
Eh? Fancy elaborating on that &/or correcting it?
I think they meant off road
I think they meant off road ie cyclists using the park should stick to the prescribed road routes ( plus I think there is one dedicated cycle route around the edge).
zero_trooper wrote:
Precisely.
It beggars belief that the Royal Parks can claim that a e-scooters are the greatest risk to pedestrians and enjoyment of the park when it’s glaringly obvious that car drivers cause far more wide-ranging issues than e-scooters ever will.
zero_trooper wrote:
You mean like this?
THE ROYAL PARKS [LIMITED] – 1172042
https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/5096383
Charitable objects
1. TO PROTECT, CONSERVE, MAINTAIN AND CARE FOR THE ROYAL PARKS, INCLUDING THEIR NATURAL AND DESIGNED LANDSCAPES AND BUILT ENVIRONMENT, TO A HIGH STANDARD CONSISTENT WITH THEIR HISTORIC, HORTICULTURAL, ENVIRONMENTAL AND ARCHITECTURAL IMPORTANCE;
2. TO PROMOTE THE USE AND ENJOYMENT OF THE ROYAL PARKS FOR PUBLIC RECREATION, HEALTH AND WELL-BEING INCLUDING THROUGH THE PROVISION OF SPORTING AND CULTURAL ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS WHICH EFFECTIVELY ADVANCE THE OBJECTS;
3. TO MAINTAIN AND DEVELOP THE BIODIVERSITY OF THE ROYAL PARKS, INCLUDING THE PROTECTION OF THEIR WILDLIFE AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, TOGETHER WITH PROMOTING SUSTAINABILITY IN THE MANAGEMENT AND USE OF THE ROYAL PARKS;
4. TO SUPPORT THE ADVANCEMENT OF EDUCATION BY PROMOTING PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF THE HISTORY, CULTURE, HERITAGE AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE ROYAL PARKS AND (BY WAY OF COMPARISON) ELSEWHERE;
5. TO PROMOTE THE NATIONAL HERITAGE INCLUDING BY HOSTING AND FACILITATING CEREMONIES OF STATE OR OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE WITHIN AND IN THE VICINITY OF THE ROYAL PARKS.
Thank you Brooksby!
Thank you Brooksby!
I think that the use of motor cars in the park contradicts 1, 2 and 3 <facepalm>
brooksby wrote:
That’s odd; there is no explicit or implicit aim to provide motorists with a short cut, and all the aims seem to oppose that.
But, but it’s not a sports
But, but it’s not a sports venue, well not for cycling.
They should restrict cars and
They should restrict cars and electric scooters in royal parks. You only have to see the scooters in action to see why they shouldn’t be legal. The majority of the people using them are on the pavements, or underage, and in Birmingham it’s a free-for-all. The trials for these should all be pulled. They’re dangerous, and the majority of people on them are breaking the rules, and enforcement also appears non-existent.
You do get that every single
You do get that every single one of your arguments has been targeted at cyclists in the past – right?
How’s about we let the trials complete before getting the torches and pitchforks out?
Secret_squirrel wrote:
I thought it might sound that way…But that doesn’t make these concerns less valid. Even blind safety campaigners are against these scooters and their misuse.
Jenova20 wrote:
it’s not genuinely about safety. If safety and noise was a key concern cars would have already been banned.
WHilst you do have a point,
WHilst you do have a point, the rules for the trials state over 18’s, np pavement riding and you need a valid driving license (can be provisional) to sign up. Yet school kids and others are using them because I suspect they signed up under a parents account. I think the speeds should be lowered to 8-10mph if this becomes the norm. People still get around faster and they are less likely to be a danger to themselves or others when going through the areas as they are going at medium running speed and not 12-15mph.
From what I have read the
From what I have read the escooter trials have gone very well.
Can you point me to any evidence that they are “dangerous” or that the “majority on them are breaking the rules”.
The trial near me has plenty
The trial near me has plenty of illegal use. A danger to themselves for sure and limited danger to pedestrians where they are used on the pavemnts in busy streets. They are also a pain to people wih limited vision and in wheelchairs when they are dumped with little consideration for others.
sean1 wrote:
Try going to any city with a trial and see if you can find anyone actually using them on the roads, and above the age of 16. They’re far outnumbered by kids using them to zigzag past people on pavements. They’ve been pulled from multiple cities already because of the issues i’ve stated.
People buy them because they
People buy them because they can, despite the fact that they’re not legal for use anywhere other than private land. The police have made occasional sporadic attempts to stop them but seem to have given up. Now that trials of hire scooters are starting, they’re here to stay. We can’t uninvent them.
The trials of the rental scooters are a way to try and manage their introduction. Personally I’m not a fan. I rode some in Paris and they’re fun but not as practical as an e-bike IMHO.
I had a close pass at speed on me from an e-scooter rider travelling on the wrong side of the road last week when I was riding home from training, just saying.
OldRidgeback wrote:
That’s nothing! I can have close passes from motor vehicles on the wrong side of the road any time I go out on the bike. Or on foot.
!
Road-legal mobility scooters
Road-legal mobility scooters are restricted to 8mph (4mph on the pavement). Road-legal e-scooters are not. I wonder why they are treated differently.
Reminds me of when I saw two
Reminds me of when I saw two oldsters, (man and woman who might have been married / together) racing along at the 8mph through a shopping centre. I don’t know who won.
“the parks are places for
“the parks are places for quiet recreation”
“the stealth of e scooters poses an unacceptable risk.”
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Which? Do they disturb the peace, or are they dangerous because they are stealthy?
Although I think a distinction needs to be drawn, on footpaths with no cars or bicycles then they should not be allowed. But there is no justifiation for banning them from roads used by cars (some of which are electric and therefore also stealthy)
I think it’s clear they’re
I think it’s clear they’re talking about how cars stick to the roads, whereas scooters buzz along footpaths.
If they’re going to be permitted in the RPs, then we’ll need serious enforcement of rules about how people ride them.
Maybe someone more lawyerly
Maybe someone more lawyerly than me can answer this:
If an e-scooter is being used as part of an official trial and within the boundaries defined for that trial, do The Royal Parks have any right to prevent that usage within the Parks (on roads open to motor traffic)?
If an e-scooter is not being used as part of an official trial and/or is outside the boundaries of the trial zone, could The Royal Parks permit the use of e-scooters (anywhere) within the park if it so wished?
It seems the land is
It seems the land is classified the same way as Private so they can do what they wish with any transport. Rememeber they banned cyclists sometime in the last 12 months for a time. So they have a say and their own
private securityPolice force to enforce these rules.There is a trial near me and
There is a trial near me and the escooters are geo-fenced so that they do not work in some areas. There is a map to let you know this in advance. So it would be feasible for the park to be excluded in the same way that a few majour roads are excluded in the trial near me.
There would need to be legislation to allwo the use of escooters in the park separately in the same way that legislation was needed for the various trials.
The rules of the Highway,
The rules of the Highway, including the Highway Code, have to apply to any road which is accessible by the public whether the road is on private property or not. As such any electrically propelled device (as opposed to electrically assisted) must be registered, taxed, and insured to use the road. It’s a different situation on paths and open spaces.
“Royal Parks accused of
“Royal Parks accused of having “lost the plot” over banning electric scooters”
How can you lose something you’ve never had?
‘You don’t know what you’ve
‘You don’t know what you’ve got ’til it’s gone.’
OldRidgeback wrote:
“They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.”
Thanks Royal Parks for
Thanks Royal Parks for crystallising this wider madness surrounding e-scooters.
Don’t use one with a machete
Don’t use one with a machete down your trousers.
https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/19312145.e-scooter-drugs-stop-teen-found-machete-trousers/
hirsute wrote:
I would think that “don’t carry a machete down your trousers” is a more global guideline…
People around here; “Wor is a
People around here; “Wor is a Royal Park?”
My mind is changing on this,
My mind is changing on this, and I’m starting to think that e-scooters (used not abused) are part of the solution rather than the problem.
I don’t normally drive young Hayes to school (we normally cycle), but yesterday I did. And as I was stuck in traffic, alone in the car on the way back, an e-scooter glided past (Okay, he was joyriding at 20 mph down the Cambridge Heath Road).
But my immediate thought was not ‘Wanker’. That was my second thought. My first was how much less space on the road the e-scooter rider was using that me in my greenwashed hybrid 4×4: even less than a cyclist if you take the wheelbase into account.
I agree.
I agree.
When walking junior CB to school I almost always pass a chap on a (likely illegal) e-scooter travelling on the road.
I realised how much less danger he poses to us than the multiple people travelling solo in their legal 4x4s.
As you said they are also taking up a hell of a lot less space.
I really think they are the future of urban transport.
Here in Bristol we’ve got a
Here in Bristol we’ve got a Voi scooter trial going on, so there’s a bunch of people using them on the roads (the only legal place they can be used) and strangely enough complaining of aggressive behaviour by some motorists (beeping of horns and swearing at them to get off their roads).
I’m hoping that it’ll give motorists much more exposure to non-car shaped traffic and that they’ll learn to pay more attention and not just blindly follow the vehicle in front.
hawkinspeter wrote:
I am shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Hopefully E-scooters will get a lot more common and people will hate them instead of cyclists…
(I am, of course, joking)
Of course, this is not a
Of course, this is not a surprise to cyclists, but here’s an article about one person’s experience: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/voi-e-scooter-rider-tells-5382628
He says his experience since signing up to a long-term rental in March has been “awful”, claiming he has been shouted and sworn at by drivers more than once a day.
The final straw came last Friday (April 30), when he says a driver bumped the back of his knees as he rode along Filton Avenue, near SGS College, causing him to flip over. Police are investigating.
Tom said: “It was 5.20am and I was on my way to work, and a car went into the back of me. I was not bothering anyone, just keeping to the left hand side on the road, literally riding on the yellow lines.
“The car behind me had been revving its engine up, and all of a sudden it went into the back of me. I flipped off the scooter in the middle of the road.
“It looked like a guy in his mid-30s was driving. He sped off and left me in the middle of the road, shaking. It was a red car but I don’t know the make or model. I didn’t get the reg because I was in shock.”
Those scooters are terrifying
Those scooters are terrifying, hawkinspeter! You wouldn’t get me on one if you paid me.
They do have lights and indicators, but they’re all about two inches off the road surface.
Given how many much bigger things motorists fail to see (and how rubbish the general road surface is)…
brooksby wrote:
— brooksbyBut are they more or less frightening to drivers in Royal Parks than bicycles?
brooksby wrote:
Mrs Hawkinspeter has been making occasional use of the Voi scooters to get to work and back (they’re doing a freebie thingy for NHS workers within certain zones) so I hassled her to take/wear a helmet (revenge as she used to hassle me about doing so on a bike).
I actually saw an spin
I actually saw an spin scooter user today on the road going in the correct direction and with a helmet. Luckily I was on foot and didn’t fall with the shock
Nothing wrong with banning
Nothing wrong with banning escooters from Royal Parks – it’s their decision – but generally I think escooters are a good thing, provided they are properly legislated for.
Perhaps some of the hostility around escooters is just disappointment that we don’t have hoverboards yet as a travel solution!
I am more concerned that it
I am more concerned that it is ‘their’ decision. I have never understood why England stands for all this ‘pseudo private land’.
Who are the Royal Parks accoiuntable to?
Chris Hayes wrote:
I find it interesting (warning – anecdata alert!) how many more people seem willing to try out a dockless rental electric scooter then tried the yellow dockless rental (non-electric) bikes.
Maybe they just stand out more on the road so I notice them more?
brooksby wrote:
I’d put it down to laziness.
E-scooters are fun to ride – you just stand on it and press the button (or twist the handle) to make it move. Rental bikes however, are made from the inners of neutron stars and require a world class sprinter to make them go at any speed, so they’re not quite as accessible.
I’m fond of escooters and did
I’m fond of escooters and did have one last summer when they were debating legalising, before I was stopped riding it at around 12mph in Hyde Park cycle lanes.
I couldn’t debate that it was illegal and didn’t want any points on my license. Thankfully the police officer was inquisitive but reasonable. There are a only a handful riding around the parks here as it’s known they are illegal. I sold late last yr
I’d buy again once can sort the insurance and logistics. Kids around here are ridiculously dangerous especially if they can get one of the 25mph+ versions. Sure the old cyclists jump reds which is always such a stain on the community, but at least they stay on the road.