Spanish drug testing officials acting for the US Anti-Doping Agency went looking for Vuelta a Espana winner Chris Horner this morning to administer an out-of-competition test, but were unable to find him, according to reports from Spain.
However, Horner’s Radio Shack-Leopard team claims that he had updated his whereabouts on the Anti-Doping and Management System (ADAMS) system the previous day and the testers were simply looking in the wrong place.
Horner was not at the Hotel Princesa in Madrid, where the rest of the team were staying. The testers apparently went to another hotel in search of Horner, but did not find him there either.
A team spokesman told cyclingnews.com: "There is no problem. They went to the team hotel but he is in another hotel. He had mentioned this in his ADAMS. They should do their administration more correctly than they did. They need to check their whereabouts, too."
RadioShack-Leopard press officer Tim Vanderjeugd subsequently tweeted: "The second hotel they went to was a randomly picked Ibis where they thought he could be."
The team later issued the following statement, accompanied by a screenshot of an automated email from USADA acknowledging Horner’s registered whereabouts at 6am to 7am this morning.
The management of RadioShack Leopard Trek wants to clarify the situation about the alleged missed out of competition anti-doping test of Chris Horner.
Chris Horner updated his whereabouts with USADA before the start of the final stage, giving the agency the name of his hotel for the night, phone number and room number for his one hour window between 6 and 7 AM. This is all according to the rules and Chris Horner received a confirmation email.
The anti-doping inspectors from the Spanish Anti-doping Agency that were asked to do the test by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) showed up at the wrong hotel in Madrid, where the team was staying but Horner was obviously not to be found.
The team believes the communication between the Spanish Anti-doping Agency and the media is a violation of the privacy of Chris Horner, especially since it comes down to a clear mistake by the tester.
The team asks the media to report correctly on this matter and will seek compensation for this matter with the responsible anti-doping agencies.
Horner was sought for testing under World Anti-Doping Agency rules that apply to top-level athletes. Athletes in the program must register their whereabouts for a one-hour period each day between 6 am and 11 pm.
If an athlete cannot be found three times in 18 months at his or her specified locations, and cannot satisfactorily explain those absences, then they are subject to a disciplinary proceeding by the relevant anti-doping agency. Sanctions range between one and two years.
59 thoughts on “Testers unable to find Chris Horner for out-of-competition doping test; team says they were in wrong hotel”
White wash, or dark lies. Are
White wash, or dark lies. Are the Spanish doping authorities really that incompetent?
It really doesn’t make Radioshack look any good considering they could have cleared things up by directing him to the correct hotel or ADAM. What a joke.
Colin Peyresourde wrote:It
I don’t find it totally unrealistic that the team would not know where he was staying, other than with his wife at another Madrid hotel. I don’t know how ADAMS works, but it’s also possible that, whilst USADA had the updated information, maybe the Spanish testers didn’t?
I’m not making any excuses or statements – I just think it’s a bit harsh to throw him under the bus on the basis of this one missed test.
And so it begins…
And so it begins…
It’s odd that Mrs Horner has
It’s odd that Mrs Horner has to book her own separate hotel room. You’d have thought the team would have booked her a room.
farrell wrote:It’s odd that
Quite – although Radioshack/Horner have concocted a story of excuses it certainly isn’t one that is water tight. I don’t even care if Radioshack booked her hotel – why didn’t they call him and get him to turn up asap, or at least put him in contact with him.
The more plausible narrative is that they try to screen the testers to give Horner enough time to make his escape to places unknown.
Another plausible explanation is that the Spanish anti-doping agency is politically weak and there is no will to actually catch dopers. Testing is tokenism there. “Mr Horner are you at home?”
“NO!”
“OK. See you later.”
It’s effectively what they did with Armstrong/Hamilton and Co.
farrell wrote:It’s odd that
Huh? Where is there a reference to Mrs Horner in the article? And why would the team have booked her a room? She isn’t a paid employee is she? Does the team management book rooms for the partners of other team members? Has it been done for other race winners?
pepita1 wrote:Huh? Where is
There are other articles on this story that reference the fact he had swapped hotels to be in the one his wife was in.
I’ve read about and seen photos of other riders wives staying at the same hotels as the teams. I would have thought that at the end of 3 weeks of hard riding all the riders would stay together to celebrate a win, did all the riders wives book into different hotels? Or did many of the riders book into different hotels to be with their other halves?
So….has he been tested?
So….has he been tested?
Man, you win the Vuelta and
Man, you win the Vuelta and end up staying in an Ibis for your troubles… Were the rest of the team staying in a youth hostel?
Bit of a nothing story
Bit of a nothing story really, fuelling the fire of…..people
More interesting to me are 2
More interesting to me are 2 points:
1) USADA requested the test as soon as possible after a UCI sanctioned test would have surely been done, i.e. the automatic testing of the GC leader after a stage is completed. This can only mean that USADA are target-testing Horner for some reason, and also signifies that they have no faith in the current UCI when it comes to catching dopers (for reasons we are all too well aware of).
2) The email gives a 1 hour window each day at the where-abouts address. Does this mean that out-of-competition testing could be sprung on any day, but only ever within that 1 hour window given by the rider? If so, I can understand the practicality of this, but it surely makes managing a micro-dosing programme that bit easier. Or is my understanding of the 1 hour window wrong? Anybody have any knowledge in this area?
My (probably incorrect)
My (probably incorrect) understanding is that have to make themselves available at some address within 1 hour. So you put your home address down as the place you will be, they call you to say that they will be arriving there and then you need to get back to that address within one hour.
There are so many things amiss in this. It is clear that USADA do not believe that Horner is clean, or to put it Gkam’s way, would like to verify he is clean. And, after the Tour and Vuelta go on without doping being picked up, I think I agree with your assessment of the UCIs policy. I certainly think that after Armstrong the TdF did not need another dope story and it is unlikely that they were going to try to find another scandal this year. Personally I don’t blame them.
But what were Radioshack and Horner doing. The story they put out has so many holes it apparent he absconded, and got on a flight to avoid any issues.
Colin Peyresourde wrote: It
Testing is just part of the procedure. To say ‘it is clear’ is just rubbish.
Holes ? Like ‘he notified them in advance, as he’s required/allowed to do’
‘apparent he absconded’ ? – again, based on what ?
But carry on making stuff up, I’m sure it’ll make you feel happier.. :applause:
JonD wrote:Colin Peyresourde
Testing is just part of the procedure. To say ‘it is clear’ is just rubbish.
Holes ? Like ‘he notified them in advance, as he’s required/allowed to do’
‘apparent he absconded’ ? – again, based on what ?
But carry on making stuff up, I’m sure it’ll make you feel happier..
:applause:— Colin Peyresourde
I’m with you, JonD.
pepita1 wrote:JonD
Testing is just part of the procedure. To say ‘it is clear’ is just rubbish.
Holes ? Like ‘he notified them in advance, as he’s required/allowed to do’
‘apparent he absconded’ ? – again, based on what ?
But carry on making stuff up, I’m sure it’ll make you feel happier..
:applause:— JonD
I’m with you, JonD.— Colin Peyresourde
+1
JonD wrote:Colin Peyresourde
Testing is just part of the procedure. To say ‘it is clear’ is just rubbish.
Holes ? Like ‘he notified them in advance, as he’s required/allowed to do’
‘apparent he absconded’ ? – again, based on what ?
But carry on making stuff up, I’m sure it’ll make you feel happier.. :applause:— Colin Peyresourde
I don’t have to make anything up. RadioShack and Horner are the ones thinking on their feet. Out of competition testing can take place at any time, but its not done a lot. Jeff Novitsky (USADA) is not a retard either, so the timing of this adds up to say that they are suspicious. Why not leave it 2 weeks, 3 weeks or a month later? Well by that time Horner has his feet up and is no where near a PED. Better to test now as the likelihood he’s taken one is higher.
But if there was no suspicion then why test now when he’s just been tested.
Holes you ask? If didn’t want the suspicion of guilt to hang over your team you would be very helpful in locating your new champion. So why is it that they have not named the hotel to the tester? Why did they not call him to make him available? Why is there a mystery about this fact? For both the testers and the media? I would also like to know the timings for when he posted the team hotel and then ‘changed it’.
To me there are two narratives:
1. 41 year old cyclist out does himself and everyone to win a GT with no previous for coming even close to that (improving even on the time for climbs in previous years) clean. And then the fact he coincidentally and unfortunately misses a doping test just after he wins – unfortunate because it draws more accusations of doping, which is exactly what he was hoping to avoid as that is what a lot of people have been saying.
2. 41 year old closing out his career takes a chance to out dope his fellow pros and does better than previous bests for himself and others. Then when they go to test him after he wins he absconds to avoid being caught, and he and his team spin a web of lies (and threaten legal action – does that sound familiar to you?!?)
I didn’t make up the missed test now did I…..as Judge Judy says, ‘if it doesn’t sound right it probably isn’t true’.
Colin Peyresourde wrote:My
but the email gives an actual time, it states that while residing at his US address the 1 hour window is between 6am and 7am (i think – I’ve not re-read the article). So if a rider knew they could only receive an out-of-competition test during that particular hour of any day, then managing a ‘programme’ is (relatively) easy.
Usual crap. some one wins
Usual crap. some one wins there he is doping. =D>
Judging from the confirmation
Judging from the confirmation e-mail, only USADA (the administrator of ADAMS) knew where Horner was. So they gave a wrong/not updated information to the Spanish DA and eventually they failed to find him. Was it a foolish mistake? Was it deliberate? Who knows. Probably WADA should operate ADAMS but as it seems they only set the rules…
Ruins what could of been a
Ruins what could of been a fairy tale ending…. Where have I seen that before, let me think!!!!
I can’t help but feel
I can’t help but feel suspicious at a 41-year-old GT winner smiling his way up an endless series of painful (judging by the expressions on other top riders faces) climbs. However, that cynicism also makes me feel sorry for him if he’s clean.
This, however, is a non-story. He updated ADAMS at fairly short notice, but he’s permitted to do so. That info didn’t reach the guy with the clipboard and the pisspot.
Let’s face it, if he’s doping, then he knew full well he was on some batshit-crazy undetectable shit.
His email seems quite
His email seems quite clear… I mean far be it from me to look at the flight timetables back to the US to see the flights leave relatively early so if they didn’t test him in the window that he was there, he’d be on a plane.
In any case, what about tests every other day?
atlaz wrote:His email seems
I recall reading or hearing an interview with a rider who said they give stupidly early times as they will be at home in bed. So whilst it’s a ball ache to get knocked up out of bed by a tester it’s preferable to having them turn up when you’ve just nipped out the shops or dropping the kids off at school etc.
Perhaps if he spent the night
Perhaps if he spent the night with his wife he was worried of a Viagra positive? 😕 I think you might need some help in that department at the end if a three week GT!!
I hope the testers are forced
I hope the testers are forced to either admit they were wrong and (or) were ill-informed. The story’s too cool for it not to be true! 🙂 And Chris has talked so much about his kids watching it and how it’s so unique that I hope he’s not lying! If the team do get a correction of the story by the media and seek compensation and get it, well, I hope the money goes to a charity of Horner’s choice just to show goodwill… I do hope they’re wrong and have to issue an apology 🙂
If my time zones are
If my time zones are correct.
The e-mail was received at USADA at 11.01 (GMT +2) ie. Spanish time, which is 03:01 in Colorado (USADA headquarters)on SUNDAY morning.
Assuming USADA work normal office hours on a Sunday (9-5), it would have been dealt with at earliest 09:01 Colorado time, which is 17:01 Spanish time.
Assuming Spanish Drug Agency work normal hours on a Sunday their office will have been closed.
It shouldn’t be a surprise the testers went to the wrong hotel.
Some of the above comments
Some of the above comments make me sick. People are so quick to condemn. If you actually look at what has happened here, Horner has done nothing wrong. Whatever other reasons people have for suspecting something is amiss, jumping to conclusions about Horner because the testers cant follow the information he gave them is downright unfair.
And please, don’t make excuses like ‘they don’t work Sundays so wouldn’t see the email’…for goodness sake, if they are serious about making out of competition tests, they must check the database before testing someone.
There is gullibility in believing someone must be innocent in the face of incriminating evidence, but its equally credulous to jump to an assumption of guilt when there is no reason to do so.
wifwaf wrote:Some of the
That depends on whether protocol has been followed to the letter in terms of timing and procedure for updating his whereabouts. Does anybody know enough about the system to comment on this?
As I said before, the most interesting aspect of this is the obvious target-testing of Horner by USADA – why?
daddyELVIS wrote:
That
I checked out his email and the USADA whereabouts policy. I am curious about the difference between the time he sent his email and the response from the automated system, but that maybe down to servers etc. There is a 6hr difference, which seems a little weird because the email is sent on a time of 05:01 Spanish time, and then email shows 11:01 (GMT +2). I don’t really understand that, but I’m fairly sure it is an IT issue.
Athletes are supposed to give a contact number and update whereabouts every quarter. For updates they can use email/text/login. A call can be made to the athlete 5 mins before the end of the 60 minutes window, so why he still couldn’t be located seems odd. – this is a non-story if Radio-shack give the testers the right address, or they call him and he tells them where he is…..but that is not what happened. He can appeal.
Colin Peyresourde
You are assuming that the computer/phone (or email account) used to email Horners updated location was set to Spanish time.
GMT+2 is Spanish time.
I’m assuming the email receipt is automatically generated almost immediately.
The 05:01 – 04:00 time on Horner’s email is quite possibly some other timezone. Winter time in Oregon is -10 hours.
daddyELVIS wrote:wifwaf
Perhaps its because the last time the USA won a GT it was Armstrong and they dont want to get their fingers burnt twice. Just a thought, or perhaps they dont believe a 42yr old could win clean.
You can be damn sure if he
You can be damn sure if he hadn’t followed protocol his team wouldn’t be advertising the fact while asking for compensation. Its worth noting this isn’t a failed test, its a failure to test. I am not protesting his innocence, my point is that we shouldn’t be so quick to condemn a rider just because we have been fooled before.
wifwaf wrote:You can be damn
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I never liked LA, and smell the same whiff now. The race times someone posted from the climb he made in 16:99, a half a minute quicker than any previous rider, in any previous tour was pretty much a nail in the coffin.
The team are hiding behind protocol, but they didn’t do anything to help locate him. The conspiracy of silence is deafening. I’m kicking up sh!t here, because if you let this stuff slide then we go back to the bad old days – personally I don’t think we’ve left them.
And I know when I’m being lied to and there are big holes in this. Although I would like to hear something from USADA. No one has adequately explained why a man past his prime has out raced better cyclists than himself, nor why he’s hit such a rich vein of form in a 3 week competition. Things that age affects:
Power
Recovery
Like Miller writes in his book, you can win a stage, but not a GT – but even the manner of his victories is staggeringly unbelievable – for someone who wasn’t a known climber he pasted his opposition on….climbs.
You never liked LA ? What
You never liked LA ? What does liking have to do with objective judgements?
And what does that have to do with Chris Horner and his supposed guilt?
USADA have now confirmed that Horner is blameless in all this, but of course that wont be enough for you, because you don’t like Horner and that’s enough for you to establish guilt. You sir are a troll. Get back under your bridge.
wifwaf wrote:You sir are a
Why is someone with a different opinion to you a ‘troll’? A bit childish 8}
daddyELVIS wrote:wifwaf
I believe that Colins’ statements are typical of the forum troll. Not because he differs in opinion to me, but because he makes what seem to me to be definitive statements about Chris Horners honesty without a sound basis. I am not name-calling, I am expressing my opinion of his argument. It is an unfortunate side-effect of internet freedom of expression that people can cast aspersions on others with little or no evidence to a large audience with impunity. I don’t think it is fair and I don’t apologise for arguing the case.
I repeat that I am not a Horner groupie, but I expect a little more intelligence and substance in the debate, even in the post LA wasteland…
Colin Peyresourde
What are YOU on?
Not a known climber? Top ten TDF finisher; Tour of Basque Country winner; Tour of California winner; in terms of victories THE most successful American rider of the last twenty years.
It’s almost like you don’t know what you’re talking about…
Of course, it obvious he MUST have been on some new wonder drug (available only to Americans) that didn’t show a positive for three weeks of racing, but has the unfortunate side effect of being detected as soon as the race finishes.
pwake wrote:
What are YOU
Pan e Aqua.
He’s done nothing in a GT of any note. You’d find most people would struggle to recognise him from ADAM. You seem to wipe the slate of his historical associations clean because it’s easier to close your eyes and imagine that everything has magically come clean post-LA, and that something as improbable as Horner suddenly being a real GC contender is a feasible reality at 42. Don’t you think that it is strange given that he’s never come close to doing what Froome did for Wiggins? Or even Uran in entirety of his ‘successful career’?
I don’t for a minute think he has a magic drug – in fact I think he’s probably using many of the same ones LA used (but possibly in a different cocktail). Do you have any idea how hard it is for the anti-doping agencies to catch riders? Did the last twenty years happen for you? None of the big doping cases came from positives – Balco, Armstrong, Festina, the Austrian Cross-Country team, Dr Fuentes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/23605334
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23911979
You seem to think that the testing procedures are effective, but if that was the case you would think they would of caught Armstrong the unreformed cheat in 2009 and 2010. Instead he got an exemption, and was able to work perfectly undetected in the system.
Horner missing his test is just a part of the big lie that the peloton runs ‘cleaner than ever’. As mentioned above the old ‘switcheroo’ on the whereabouts is as classic as Armstrong sprinting up the Hautacam.
If you’ve received any emails suggesting that you’ve won the lottery, I’ll let you in on a secret, you haven’t and those guys you gave your account details are fleecing you right now….
wifwaf wrote:Some of the
So quick to condemn? Have you been following cycling for the past few years? How do you know Horner has done nothing wrong? Don’t you think there is every reason to be suspicious here? Chris Froome took both barrels during the Tour, and he is someone whose numbers have been rock-solid for years and shown by all sensible measures a natural progression. Here on the other hand, is a guy who has suddenly out performed some of the best in the world, in the toughest GT out there, smiling his way up ridiculous climbs day after day, in a style he has never come near showing before.
Even without this missed-test story, the situation stinks – I hope he is clean, but the only way we can have any idea if he is tested and tested and tested. Stories coming out the day after his win that he’s missed a test do not help with that at all.
phazon wrote:wifwaf
So quick to condemn? Have you been following cycling for the past few years? How do you know Horner has done nothing wrong? Don’t you think there is every reason to be suspicious here? Chris Froome took both barrels during the Tour, and he is someone whose numbers have been rock-solid for years and shown by all sensible measures a natural progression. Here on the other hand, is a guy who has suddenly out performed some of the best in the world, in the toughest GT out there, smiling his way up ridiculous climbs day after day, in a style he has never come near showing before.
Even without this missed-test story, the situation stinks – I hope he is clean, but the only way we can have any idea if he is tested and tested and tested. Stories coming out the day after his win that he’s missed a test do not help with that at all.— wifwaf
How do I know he has done nothing wrong? I don’t. Is that a basis for calling someone a cheat? Gut-feeling doesn’t entitle me or anyone else to proclaim his guilt when all we actually know is that he informed USADA in advance of his whereabouts as required, he didn’t miss a test, USADA didn’t pass his new address details to the testers, and so the testers went to the wrong place.
I am not in this thread to proclaim Horner is clean. My point is simple – posters here are talking as if this report is proof positive that he has cheated. This is poor speculation and flies in the face of the numerous tests he has already undertaken all the way through the Vuelta, which have evidently not proved positive.
I am not a Horner apologist, but I really detest this kind of forum witch-hunt from every armchair expert who can raise a fat finger to the keyboard without having any real evidence other than rumour and deja-vu.
wifwaf wrote:
How do I know
I detest the head in the sand, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil apologists that allow this sort of thing to go on unquestioningly. That’s what happened with Armstrong, and that’s what is happening here.
wifwaf wrote:phazon
So quick to condemn? Have you been following cycling for the past few years? How do you know Horner has done nothing wrong? Don’t you think there is every reason to be suspicious here? Chris Froome took both barrels during the Tour, and he is someone whose numbers have been rock-solid for years and shown by all sensible measures a natural progression. Here on the other hand, is a guy who has suddenly out performed some of the best in the world, in the toughest GT out there, smiling his way up ridiculous climbs day after day, in a style he has never come near showing before.
Even without this missed-test story, the situation stinks – I hope he is clean, but the only way we can have any idea if he is tested and tested and tested. Stories coming out the day after his win that he’s missed a test do not help with that at all.— phazon
How do I know he has done nothing wrong? I don’t. Is that a basis for calling someone a cheat? Gut-feeling doesn’t entitle me or anyone else to proclaim his guilt when all we actually know is that he informed USADA in advance of his whereabouts as required, he didn’t miss a test, USADA didn’t pass his new address details to the testers, and so the testers went to the wrong place.
I am not in this thread to proclaim Horner is clean. My point is simple – posters here are talking as if this report is proof positive that he has cheated. This is poor speculation and flies in the face of the numerous tests he has already undertaken all the way through the Vuelta, which have evidently not proved positive.
I am not a Horner apologist, but I really detest this kind of forum witch-hunt from every armchair expert who can raise a fat finger to the keyboard without having any real evidence other than rumour and deja-vu.— wifwaf
Well said, not that any reasoned argument will sway any of the head hunters on here.
Beaufort wrote:Well said, not
Head hunters? Read the posts. There is a big difference between saying someone is guilty and suggesting there should be suspicion. If you’re not even a little suspicious of this GT win (forget the missed test), then you should go and have a word with Pat, he’ll probably have a job for you in the UCI’s antidoping team.
Given cyclings past, there has to be questions about his ability to ride like that. Fool me once…
wifwaf wrote:How do I know he
I didn’t call him a cheat. I said there is every reason to be suspicious given the circumstances. It sounds like we have a similar pov but are expressing it differently.
My point is that if he is clean, then he should be breaking his balls to take every test put in front of him to prove it. Not missing one, for whatever reason, and then buggering off home immediately. In many peoples eyes, the suspicion has only increased, and is now a cloud his win will be under for ever.
The other thing that does not help is how he completely ignored the subject in every Vuelta interview I saw, coming out with airy-fairy shit about ‘people should value something they might never see again’. If I was in his position, I would address it head on.
Regardless, it is done, there is no proof. But there is suspicion. And if we stop being suspicious, we have no one else to blame when the next Lance comes along and cleans up
phazon wrote:wifwaf wrote:How
I didn’t call him a cheat. I said there is every reason to be suspicious given the circumstances. It sounds like we have a similar pov but are expressing it differently.
My point is that if he is clean, then he should be breaking his balls to take every test put in front of him to prove it. Not missing one, for whatever reason, and then buggering off home immediately. In many peoples eyes, the suspicion has only increased, and is now a cloud his win will be under for ever.
The other thing that does not help is how he completely ignored the subject in every Vuelta interview I saw, coming out with airy-fairy shit about ‘people should value something they might never see again’. If I was in his position, I would address it head on.
Regardless, it is done, there is no proof. But there is suspicion. And if we stop being suspicious, we have no one else to blame when the next Lance comes along and cleans up— wifwaf
My last comment on this tired thread:
He did not miss a test. He informed USADA where he would be, they failed to tell the Spanish testers this information. He has not avoided a test, the testers failed to follow the information he gave them.
Its reasonable not to trust Horner or anyone else, unless you know them personally and can do so with authority, but equally don’t take a news-story like this and misinterpret it to bolster your pre-supposition that he must be cheating.
And just for a moment ask, what is so suspicious about a family-oriented, mature rider wishing to spend his victory night with his wife, given that he DID inform the relevant authorities of his whereabouts, or that an American wishes to return to the USA shortly after being away from his family for about a month. Seriously, do you think these guys are robots?
I don’t want to add any more to this post, Im sorry if you think people like myself are gullible. I am not gullible, but I am careful not to take reports like this at face value and jump to conclusions that fit my prejudices. I just think that a lot of trusting people who swallowed the Lance myth have swung to the other side of the pendulum and are determined that any outstanding or unexpected performance is proof of cheating. Its another extreme, and in my view ruins the whole ethos of sport when you think about it.
Isn’t the Tour of Britain exciting? Much more interesting than this rubbish… 😉
Per Hamilton’s book changing
Per Hamilton’s book changing location at the ‘last minute’ was also a frequent ploy to avoid the tests, and in fact he mentions the timing of the morning. As he puts it, missing one test is a small price to pay, and generally it is pretty hard to catch a rider ‘glowing’.
From detailed USADA document
From detailed USADA document – http://www.usada.org/uploads/testing/2011_whereabouts_policy.pdf
When making a Whereabouts Filing, it is the Athlete’s responsibility to ensure that he or she provides all
required information accurately and in sufficient detail to enable the Athlete to be located by any Anti-
Doping Organization wishing to locate the Athlete for Testing on any given day in the quarter.”
&
The negligent failure by any Athlete in the USADA RTP to comply with USADA’s whereabouts policies may result in a “Filing Failure” for failing to timely, accurately or completely provide required whereabouts information and/or for being unavailable for testing due to inaccurate information provided on the Whereabouts Filing.
if the ADAMS procedure allows
if the ADAMS procedure allows the athlete to change their window at relatively short notice, then part of the procedure should include the testers doing an up to date check of location and time after the permitted change window closes/before knocking on the door. Otherwise they may look stupid. If they don’t and thus fuck up, they shouldn’t then be running to the press.
I maintain healthy scepticism, but this looks like the adminstrators fucked up, not some attempt at subterfuge.
USADA statement
The U.S.
USADA statement
The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency announced on Monday afternoon that American Chris Horner had updated his whereabouts correctly, and that a missed drug test following his Vuelta a España win was due to a timing issue between the U.S. and Spain. It will not count as a missed test, and Horner is not accused of any wrongdoing.
Relax, folks.
Re. Horner’s
Relax, folks.
Re. Horner’s performance – without any hard evidence there’s no definitive answer. Let’s agree to disagree and respect each others’ opinions. I’m sure we can discuss it without descending in to personal insults. Please?
The news of the missed test, even there was not a mix-up as stated, should not have been made public anyway.
Dogmatism can be expressed on
Dogmatism can be expressed on either side of an argument. I am not dogmatic that Horner is clean. I am dogmatic that once you have read the full account of this ‘missed’ test, it is unfair to presume his guilt. In the meantime I would only add that its a crying shame such an entertaining tour is again overshadowed by controversy, but then again that was true of so many in the past.
wifwaf wrote:Dogmatism can be
Count me in this group.
Tweet from @PaulKimmage
Tweet from @PaulKimmage “Chris Horner should be a story worth celebrating. It’s not and he has no right to complain. Because you reap what you sow.”
Interesting!
daddyELVIS wrote:Tweet from
I think the correct word is not ‘interesting’, but ‘unsubstantiated’. Only time will tell.
Colin Peyresoude wrote:
“And
Colin Peyresoude wrote:
“And I know when I’m being lied to and there are big holes in this. Although I would like to hear something from USADA.”
USADA have spoken and stated that Chris Horner is not suspected of any wrongdoing. So they must be “head in the sand, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil apologists that allow this sort of thing to go on unquestioningly.” Or maybe they are part of the conspiracy.
I don’t know when I’m being lied to; it’s a fault of mine, I admit (although Chris Horner hasn’t personally contacted me on this issue), but I prefer it that way rather than being overly cynical or negative.
I’m with other posters in preferring to presume someone is innocent until proven guilty (it’s a good principle, even if it takes a long time as in the case of LA; generally the truth will out) and I guess some will say that these events need to be questioned for the truth to emerge and that’s true and I guess that’s the job of USADA, WADA et al. But many posters are condemning rather than questioning and keeping an open mind; I think Wiggo hit the nail on the head when he spoke about the Tweeters last year:
‘It’s easy for them to sit under a pseudonym on Twitter and write that sort of s***, rather than get off their a**** in their own lives and apply themselves and work hard at something and achieve something.
‘And that’s ultimately it. C**ts!!”
Well said, Sir.
pwake wrote:
I think Wiggo
It’s easy for them who can reasonably see that losing weight and muscle down to skeletal levels, so that one can keep pace with the best climbers in the Alps and Pyrenees, shouldn’t also result in an improvement in the TT discipline, to the point where nobody else can even get close! And that’s ultimately it. C**ts!!
Right, I’m off to put some weight on so I can be competitive at the World ITT :O
This thread is hilarious.
This thread is hilarious. Keep it up. =D>
ColT wrote:This thread is
I’m in this group. <:P
Some reasons given for
Some reasons given for suspecting he’s cheating are ridiculous, some of the reasons he is clean are even more so.
I particularly like the one about his team defending him vigorously and looking for compensation. Arf!
I wonder how many time Rider 15 might have seen that move busted out by Bruyneel et al?