A Surrey resident has launched a campaign demanding that the county council not run closed-road events such as the RideLondon 100 sportive, which, he says, turns Surrey roads into a “cycle track”.
An online petition, Stop Surrey Being Turned Into a Cycle Track, was launched by Ian Huggins, 68, from Esher four days before the August 3 RideLondon-Surrey 100. Two weeks later it has garnered 826 signatures. In 2011 the population of Surrey was estimated to be 1,135,500.
Mr Higgins’ primary concern appears to be the effect on local businesses, including his own weekend clay pigeon shooting set-up. He also complained that "lycra louts" rode the route in advance of the event, making lots of noise.
He said: “Last year we were confined to barracks for two days and now I have been told I can’t leave my home unless I leave before 5am or after 7pm.
“No one has consulted me, no one has asked if I mind.”
In a story on GetSurrey.com several other residents voice their objections to the event. They accuse Surrey County Council and the RideLondon organisers of running the event without public consultation and without formal assessment of the impact on individuals and businesses.
Council and organisers were “riding roughshod” over those affected by turning the ride into an annual event, said one objector, Ian Mason, 59, from West Byfleet.
Former county councillor Ian Lake said: “I am incensed by the whole thing. The consultation has been poor, it is a vanity project.”
“People didn’t really mind last year when it was the Olympics and roads were only closed for a short time. This year, the barriers have been up for the last few days and caused a huge amount of inconvenience.”
A spokesman for Surrey County Council told GetSurrey: “We’ve been working with the organisers to ensure everything is done to minimise disruption, with the help of leaflets, drop-in events and the GoSurrey.info website, and to make sure vulnerable people are looked after and emergency services aren’t hampered.”
Event organiser Hugh Brasher of London Marathon Limited was unavailable for comment at the time of writing, but his office have has said he will respond as soon as he’s able.
Here’s the unedited full text of Mr Huggins’s petition:
Apart from the obvious dangers to cyclists,Surrey roads are not suitable.Surrey County Council have, without consultation,decided it would be a great idea to use Surrey as a race track. This in it's self is a thoughtless act but far more importantly residents and numerous businesses are being effected by road closures. This prevents residents of Surrey from leaving their own property and going about their normal business. The road closures were a necessary inconvenience during the Olympic Games but now it looks like Surrey County Council are to make this an annual event. This is all very well but residents of Surrey are pestered and annoyed by cyclists ( practising months in advance of the event ) who ride the route in very large numbers from very early in the morning shouting at each other (have you tried talking whilst riding your bike?) and riding in large groups sometimes three and four abreast or in strings of riders making it virtually impossible for the poor old motorist, many of whom are elderly, to overtake.Traffic violations are common and it is only a matter of time before there is a major accident with the possibility of the loss of life. It will of course be the motorists fault. Have Surrey County Council considered the number of heavy goods vehicles using the roads. The route chosen is all enclosing and no provision has been made for vehicular crossing points. So to facilitate a bike ride many Surrey residents are to be confined to their homes from 5 am until 9 pm.
Surrey versus cyclists
The popularity of the Surrey hills with cyclists has become a source of complaints for locals in the last couple of years. In July Councillor David Preedy told the BBC that local councils were exploring ways in which events could be regulated.
Councillor Preedy, who leads the Lib-Dem group on Mole Valley District Council, said the main problem was the “sheer number” of cyclists.
“Every weekend there are hundreds and hundreds of cyclists and then on top of that, big organised events,” he said. “The pressure on residents is just getting too much, they’re feeling imprisoned, they can’t get out.
“A lot of them, particularly in Box Hill, are older people who feel intimidated driving through large numbers of cyclists.”
In April, Mark Davis, chief executive of Vachery Triathlon organiser Brave Events, said that a meeting he called to discuss road closures for the event was hijacked by protesters.
He alleged he was threatened outside and said others there reported incidents to the police – despite the council agreeing to the road closures. He also said that the event would bring £10 million to the local economy over the next three years.
Mr Davis said: “How many events bring top sports people and that sort of money into the area? You can’t believe how selfish people are because they don’t like cycling. Nobody is going to be trapped. People aren’t going to be stranded on an island.”
Brave Events subsequently changed the event to have partially-closed rather than fully-closed roads.
Fortunately, not everyone in Surrey fails to recognise the money visiting cyclists spend in the local economy. In July, the National Trust painted three logos on the Box Hill climb, reading ‘I love cycling’; ‘I love amazing views’; and ‘I love tea and cakes’.
























108 thoughts on “Surrey resident launches campaign against closed-road cycle events”
Don’t worry Mr Huggins. With
Don’t worry Mr Huggins. With blood pressure like yours I expect you’ll be dead soon. How did your petitions to stop young folk playing loud music and resisting the “occupation” of your village by John E Foreigner go?
If the petition had been put
If the petition had been put in balanced terms, with concise argument, it would be a worry.
But the overly emotive hyperbole just serves to make him look like an angry and selfish nutter, and distances middle-ground policy makers.
Which is good.
Haters gonna hate.
Nice people gonna run huge mass participation events with consequent smiles.
:H
I particularly like the
I particularly like the complaints about noise, from someone running a weekend clay pigeon shooting business. That wouldn’t be annoying to live near at all, oh yes, it would drive you insane.
This is a reasonable case put
This is a reasonable case put badly – I particularly like the complaint about noise from a clay pigeon shooting company owner.
The tone of this guys argument notwithstanding I’m not fond of closed road sportives as they understandbly inconvenience a lot of people and also propogate the idea that cars and bikes shouldn’t mix.
TheHatter wrote:The tone of
So you would be against Ciclovia because they are closed road events?
Do you also think that we should increase/improve cycling infrastructure but not at the cost of causing vehicular disruption?
Cars and bikes shouldn’t mix.
Cars and bikes shouldn’t mix. Our pathetic transport infrastructure means we’re forced to share the roads with cars etc and are regarded as at best an inconvenience.
Maybe some car users should realise that they don’t always need to use their cars.
Events like RideLondon should happen more frequently and all round the country.
TheHatter wrote:This is a
He does not have a reasonable case, the events with a large number of people entering have to be on closed roads because of attitudes of drivers who feel they should be able to drive where they like whenever they like and would harrass the people taking part in the event because they do not want to share the road.
Surrey is nimby central and has no cycling only dedicated infrastructure in the areas i have been.
I saw this petition on the
I saw this petition on the very same day of the Ride London (which I did) and decided not to tweet it or put it on Facebook, so as not to give it publicity. Because they don’t deserve it, and there are lots of haters out there that don’t even live in Surrey and will sign up just for the sake of it.
So, it’s better to ignore it, just let it die. NOt worth the aggro, really.
‘Stop Surrey Being Turned
‘Stop Surrey Being Turned Into a Cycle Track’
Dear Ian. Surrey isn’t going to be turned into a cycle track. It will remain as a county.
He possibly has a reasonable
He possibly has a reasonable case. But he put it as an angry rant. FAIL.
Long may his rants continue. Long may they fail.
Well, the constant banging of
Well, the constant banging of rifles from his clay pigeon business spoils my peaceful enjoyment of the general Surrey area every weekend.
I urge you to sign my petition in response.
Nick T wrote:Well, the
At the risk of getting shot down in flames 😉 they will be firing shotguns not rifles.
stuartp wrote:Nick T
And you n’all. 😉
Oh the irony of motorists
Oh the irony of motorists being intimidated by cyclists…
68 years old? Time to retire
68 years old? Time to retire Mr Huggins to your back garden to do some pottering where you won’t be bothered by cyclists anymore…
gazpacho wrote:68 years old?
WTF is this ageist bullshit?
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Retirement is a luxury very
Retirement is a luxury very few can afford nowadays.
gazpacho you need to get out
gazpacho you need to get out more not all oldy’s are like Mr Huggins i am 69 and ride regularly and would have been doing the Silverstone 24 hour challenge in sept if the plug had not been puled stop being ageist dose not help the cause
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Quote:Traffic violations are
no **** sherlock, i guess he has seen all the cars speeding, parking on double yellow lines, using phones, must have been reading about the cyclists being killed in London by lorries. How many surrey residents COMMUTE to london? how inconsiderate to those around them. I don’t want their car polluting the air i breath! etc etc etc
The caption for the photo
The caption for the photo says ‘Surrey residents fume as closed roads trap them during RideLondon 100’. Shouldn’t that say ‘Hardly any Surrey residents fume as closed roads trap them during RideLondon 100’.
Noisy lycra louts? LOL
Noisy lycra louts? LOL nothing like a daily mail headline phrase to try and gain yourselves some attention it seems.
It’s quite amusing really as the noise when i was watching both events was all caused by the motor vehicles being used to support the event, oh the irony.
Looks like the people of
Looks like the people of Surrey have run out of important matters
Hmm, hundreds of cyclists on
Hmm, hundreds of cyclists on a weekend obviously making life hell for the poor souls.
How many cars on the same roads during the same time periods? I bet a lot more!
Dangerous metal boxes being driven at high speeds on narrow roads. Loud engine and tyre noises. Causing obesity and pollution.
Which should be limited on Surrey roads again?
Ok, this little sh*t called
Ok, this little sh*t called Ian Huggins is trying to reach 1000 signatures in order to “present his anger” to Surey County Council. At the moment, he reached 750 signatures.
Anybody here a hacker…? 😉
This is his latest update:
“Thank you all for taking the time to sign my petition. Please go to the Prudential Ride London website and look at the FAQ’s. This will show just how little respect SCC have for you and your views.
I have been interviewed by Eagle Radio and hope to have this aired soon.
I would like to thank Steve from Richmond in Yorkshire for his comments but have to ask him “what makes you think that your pass-time/sport is more important than those of residents of Surrey?” He feels we are being selfish by objecting to his bike ride!!
There now appears to be two separate issues 1. The disruption caused by the road closures and 2.The staggering increase in numbers of racing cyclists using the roads of Surrey as their own private road race circuit. When my petition reaches 1000 signatures I will present it to SCC. so please keep your comments coming.
Once again thank you all (and yes that even means those who disagree with me).”
I’m kind of with TheHatter on
I’m kind of with TheHatter on this – a reasonable case made very badly indeed. Having your road sealed off and your business shut down in the middle of summer must be a real pain in the arse, and people taking part in closed-road events should remember that their fun causes a lot of inconvenience for some other people. The future of such events does depend on the goodwill of local people, local councils and so on.
So wishing him an early death from high blood pressure isn’t especially helpful.
But Mr Huggins shoots himself in the foot by complaining about noisy bicycles and cyclists having the bare-faced cheek to ride on public roads and “intimidate” car drivers. He also seems to be complaining about cyclists using the roads when they’re closed AND using them when they’re not closed, which rather suggests that he’s just an anti-cycling numpty who’s looking for any excuse to shout “pay road tax” at anything on two-wheels.
AlexM wrote:I’m kind of with
Once again, he has no case whatsoever, these closures are essential for the event to go ahead safely otherwise the events could not be held with drivers on the same roads causing chaos.
A main road was opened an hour after the event and all the peace and quiet and the chance for people to walk and cycle on it without fear of drivers hitting them was lost.
northstar wrote:Once again,
I’m not disputing that the closures were essential for the event to go ahead. I’m saying that running the event and closing roads obviously has a big impact on people who live and work along the route, that the impact needs to be taken into account when planning and staging such events. Is that so unreasonable?
For all we know, the first Sunday in August might traditionally be Huggins’ biggest, most lucrative weekend of the year, the day on which he makes the money that sees him through the quiet winter months. If that’s the case, you can see why he’d be unhappy – especially if there was a lack of consultation with local residents and businesses, as he suggests.
AlexM wrote:For all we know,
BOOM, nail and head there.
Things like this DO need to be looked at, rural communities need to make money when they can so when things tail off through the leaner months, they can afford to get by.
The first week in August is ALWAYS busy for clay pigeon shooting, as people dust off their shotgun’s ready for the “Glorious 12th”
If this was the case and he had phrased his argument better, I’d be quite happy to support him and have the event moved to another date…
The way its written out though makes it seem like just an anti cycling rant though.
AlexM wrote:northstar
As far as i’m aware notification of the event was giving a year in advance, plenty of time. It’s one day a year, and there’s plenty of other public highways and ways for his customers to reach him and enjoy their shooting past time.
This is nimby moaning it seems.
AlexM wrote:I’m kind of with
Hang on, nobody is forcing them to shut down their business. THEY choose to do so because they believe that without cars on the road, people don’t go out. I saw many coffee shops closed in Surrey, and I was quite shocked b/c the area was packed with people cheering the race on. Those people would have spent a decent amount of money buying food in those coffee shops. If the Ian Huggins of Surrey think that the world ends with the car, then that’s not Surrey Council’s fault, nor the organizers.
And we are talking about ONE day, for chrissakes! A day and road clossures that were announced months and months in advance. If he chooses to ignore what happens around him, tough shit!
Unfortunately for us, this twat reached 1000 + signatures, which means he will no present this bullshit to SCC.
I fucking hate this people!
Quote:A lot of them,
I feel intimidated cycling through large numbers of cars. So we should ban cars no?
qwerky wrote:Quote:A lot of
I’m regularly intimidated by old people in cars… Now what?
I rode this event and felt privileged to ride on the closed roads. I’ve thought about how I’d feel if I was closed in by something like this and came to the view that you either stick around and support events like this or Go away for the wknd. Its 24 hours once a year, that’s all.
On the Flip I don’t think it would be to unreasonable to change the route each year so it doesn’t effect the same set of people.
Ppffffw, good luck with
Ppffffw, good luck with that…
“Two weeks later it has garnered 826 signatures.”
Well the London100 2014 website has already passed the 55,000 entries from last year in TWO DAYS.
The phrase pissing into the wind comes to mind. Perhaps he doesn’t want the £250 I spent on entry, food, accommodation, train tickets and reservations, and bit for my bike going into the local economy or charity.
He could have made it sound
He could have made it sound more reasonable, but it really is just big ill informed rant.
All over a few hours one sunday a year!
He could always have a weekend away that particular weekend.
I live not far from the Ride London route in SW London and it made the area so much nicer that day with less traffic.
“Richard Doran TADWORTH,
“Richard Doran TADWORTH, UNITED KINGDOM 8 days ago
Liked 4
Hugely congested roads made worse by cyclists, who pay no road taxes and continually break the law. Many accidents will ensue.”
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It’s not entirely clear from
It’s not entirely clear from the rant, but I’m assuming that rather than being imprisoned in his house he is, in fact, just not able to drive out of it? That, in fact, he has two bits of equipment attached to his torso that would enable him to circumvent this terrible limitation?
Why not share your
Why not share your comments:
Mr Ian Huggins
[address etc redacted. Let’s not do that eh? – Admin]
georgee wrote:Why not share
That may not help if a wild cycling version of Ian Huggins sends remarks that make their way into the Guildford Dragon.
@ Georgee -Yeah, because
@ Georgee -Yeah, because harassing him on his mobile and personal email is a sure way of winning him over…
chris75018 wrote:@ Georgee
It is also illegal, as is encouraging others to do the same.
zanf wrote:chris75018 wrote:@
But it is legal to abuse cyclists? read his petition that is clearly defamitory and designed to insite hatrid….
We don’t tolerate racism, sexism, ageism etc. and cyclists?
mrmo wrote:zanf
But it is legal to abuse cyclists? read his petition that is clearly defamitory and designed to insite hatrid….
We don’t tolerate racism, sexism, ageism etc. and cyclists?— chris75018
He is not advocating that people knock cyclists off their bikes, or assault them from their cars. He is not publishing cyclists home addresses and with a knowing wink, suggesting that people get in touch to let him ‘know how they feel’.
I have read his petition and cannot find a single instance of anything you claim is there. Maybe your inability to spell correctly also manifests as an inability to read correctly?
He is entitled to his opinion, not matter how conflicting to your way of life it is, and as long as he does not advocate nor encourage others to cause you harm or injury, he is legally within his rights to express it as much as he likes.
He is running a clay pigeon business that people most likely travel to exclusively by car.
It’s one f***ing day for
It’s one f***ing day for gods sake ….. you always get idiots like this with this nonsense.
And to think that French
And to think that French towns pay a fee for the privilege, the raised profile and the boost to tourism that comes with having a Tour stage take place in their community.
I’ve only collated the very
I’ve only collated the very same public information he has put out there, as for winning him over, I am not sure there is a hope in hell is there? I appologise to stooping to his level by even helping him publicise his mad rant.
Usual load of biased
Usual load of biased responses here.
Of course he doesn’t like it but he is entitled to his opinions. The huge events are a complete PITA for local people and a large amount of riders show no consideration.
Might I suggest that those here who moan about his clay shoot listen to themselves. You are exactly the same as him. I bet you would moan if I started banging away at clays and obstructing your drive ways.
People can’t even moan about facts when they get them wrong themselves. Rifles and clays. yeah right. Small issue to point out the stone throwing in glass houses here.
I’ll be honest here. I don’t blame cyclists , I blame greedy promoters, those who want quick and dramatic attention and those who are too damn lazy to work out a ride for themselves, which I am about to do.
The cycling world has to realise that you cannot have your gel and eat it. Like many sports/activities when you get big you intrude on others. I am pleased about Britain’s sporting success by recreational cycling was far more fun in the past.
‘Might I suggest that those
‘Might I suggest that those here who moan about his clay shoot listen to themselves’
whoosh.
andyp wrote:’Might I suggest
I think he needs to have his Irono-Meter recalibrated.
+1 for TheHatter. Huggins has
+1 for TheHatter. Huggins has a point to make, yet as TheHatter, and others, have pointed out – he makes his case very badly!
However, some of you guys with your nasty comments (Gizmo, you should be ashamed of yourself) do our cycling cause no good whatsoever! If this thread of comments were taken by anyone as a snapshot of today’s cyclists it would be easy to brand ‘us’ as arrogant, selfish baboons. Really fellas, do us all a favour and reflect before you post.
Low Speed Wobble wrote:+1 for
Whilst i agree with most of what you are saying, haveing a legal system which, to be blunt, offer no protection to cyclists will lead in only one direction. At some point a cyclist will kill a driver in “self defence.”
At the moment the attacks are non violent.
I am not saying violence is right, just that if there is no recourse in law, vigilantism is always the result.
mrmo wrote:Low Speed Wobble
Whilst i agree with most of what you are saying, haveing a legal system which, to be blunt, offer no protection to cyclists will lead in only one direction. At some point a cyclist will kill a driver in “self defence.”
At the moment the attacks are non violent.
I am not saying violence is right, just that if there is no recourse in law, vigilantism is always the result.— Low Speed Wobble
What ARE you talking about? This thread concerns a guy who is attempting to use a legal route block a cycling event from closing the road that goes past his house. And you’re talking vigilantism? I think you’ve been watching too many late-night movies.
Low Speed Wobble wrote:
What
What i am saying is that the tone he is using, the tone in the media, the lack of police interest.
That people are willing to post his contact details to complain about his actions because there is nowhere else to complain. (regardless of whether he has a justifiable argument)
Policing in the UK relies on consent and a belief that the law is there when you need it.
Hugely congested roads made
Hugely congested roads made worse by cyclists, who pay no road taxes and continually break the law. Many accidents will ensue.”
I would be happy to pay road tax, (this on top of my insurance and public liability as a responsible cycle owner…) but as my omissions are way below the Government CO2 target of 100, it would make it free… Lets avoid the admin of processing a cost for nowt in return.
But as cyclist, lets avoid breaking the law.
Have to agree with
Have to agree with aslongasicycle. A petition is a poor place to rant so luckily for cyclists this one will be ignored
I’m struggling a little to
I’m struggling a little to see what direct impact this could have had on the clay-pigeon business. Assuming that this is the business in question:
http://willinghurst.vpweb.co.uk/Contact-Us.html
one venue appears to be outside the loop, and the other is just off J10 of the M25 which I assume was open as usual 🙂 I guess there may have been clients inside the loop who couldn’t get out, but the vast majority of Surrey would appear to have been entirely unaffected.
His house was directly on the
His house was directly on the course so I think this is his way to vent his anger.
Fortunately this chap’s ill
Fortunately this chap’s ill conceived rant seems to be getting the stiff ignoring it deserves. I think public opinion was reflected more accurately on the Ride 100 by the numbers of people out cheering by the roadside vs the one grumpy poster I saw stuck on the side of a bus stop (near Box Hill IIRC) moaning about “…not the legacy we wanted…”. My memories of cheering crowds along the route have made it a memory that will last a long time.
However, I do sympathise with those living along the route; maybe the best answer is to vary the route subtly each year? After all, Box Hill isn’t the be-all and end-all of cycling in the SE. And if Strava is anything to go by the fact that it’s had 12,000+ people riding it certainly marks it out as a cyclist / Lycra lout / MAMIL hotspot, maybe people need to be shown some proper hills instead?
Am I missing anything??
Am I missing anything?? http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/surrey-county-council-interact-and-give-knowledge-to-those-you-represent
Gkam84 wrote:Am I missing
Yes. Signatures and support.
Even after the most extensive
Even after the most extensive consultation imaginable, there will still be some people who are unhappy (whether or not justifiably) about any decision.
Consultation =/= consensus
maybe he is having a dig that
maybe he is having a dig that if the council planners won’t let him shoot then no one gets to use surrey, this was in 2007. So perhaps it’s taken him this long to find something to pick on
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/clay-pigeon-shoot-refusal-sparks-4836193
Treads CC wrote:maybe he is
Genius find Treads CC. Just about says all that needs to be said.
Personally, I would like to see Boris rotate the Ride100 around all the counties that border onto London. Kent has the North downs too and has some great climbs, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire do too – and that way, it gives each county a break of a few years between each event and adds variety to the sportive for those entering. Also why should Surrey get all the glory and money spent from participants?
Oscarzero wrote:
Personally,
Couldn’t agree more. Speaking for all of Essex (because apparently that’s what we can do on the internet without fear of contradiction, isn’t it?) I’d happily welcome the sportive and race coming up through Epping Forest and out to the rolling hills of The Only Way Is Pedalling country.
I’ll set up a bacon butty stall.
Gizmo_ wrote:Oscarzero
Agreed. At the risk of sounding like I agree with Mr. Huggins, it seems like every major bike race in the Home Counties takes place in Surrey. The Olympics, last year’s ToB, last week’s Classic and 100, next month’s ToB… spreading them round would be better both for fans and nimbys.
Oscarzero wrote:
Personally,
As I understand it (not sure where I found the info) Surrey has it for 5 years with the option on another couple. I’d guess after that it may well go in a different direction.
I’m just within the loop just south of the outgoing Walton-On-Thames leg, and incoming Esher/Portmouth road leg. What a lot of people seem to be missing is that even then it was possible to get out of that ‘island’ by driving down to a local A3 junction at Cobham and travelling via the A3 to somewhere outside the loop.
The organiser of the petition appears, from a brief search, to live on the Portsmouth road – the route runs directly past. If he’s that desperate to drive anywhere all he has to do is park in Hawkshill Way and walk the hundred yards or few along portsmouth road – an inconvenience, but not impossible.
And at 68 I rather suspect he’s retired or semi-retired, so he *does* have the rest of the week to busy himself elsewhere. Dunno why he seems to think organising this stuff should be down to some kind of referendum…
But judging by his petition, he *does* appear to be a bit of a whiny prat.
It sounds like the event
It sounds like the event organisers aren’t doing their jobs well enough to me.
“A lot of them, particularly
“A lot of them, particularly in Box Hill, are older people who feel intimidated driving through large numbers of cyclists.”
1. They should be driving around cyclists.
2. If they are complaining about closed road events why are they driving on CLOSED roads ?
I can see both sides of the argument – his clay pigeon business is loosing out when these events are on and I doubt many cyclists stop to pump money into the local economy when there are feed stations on route.(I’ll just retire to put my flack jacket on)
badback wrote:“I can see both
But he’s also complaining about cyclists coming at other times to “practice” and I would say that the majority of those will be using a local cafe or pub at some point.
I wonder how he feels about horse riders slowing down the flow of traffic and intimidating older drivers by practicing on his roads?
The closed road ride is a hook to hang his rant upon – he just doesn’t like freeloading cyclists riding on the roads he has paid for.
Love the usual comment about
Love the usual comment about cyclists riding three and four abreast…
Can’t really see the point though – since it would be a pretty inefficient method of drafting.
Quote:Having your road sealed
Up and down the country more or less every day of the week (certainly every weekend) there’s an event or occasion that closes roads or causes disruption/annoyance to residents. It’s human nature, whatever someone does, somewhere there will be someone else complaining about it.
My Dad lives right on the route of the London Marathon. Every year for one weekend he cannot access his car, can’t get across the road to the shops… So he does this strange thing called “planning ahead”. Sometimes he stays, stocks up on food, drink etc and watches the event, sometimes he goes away for the weekend.
A mate used to run a shop in Notting Hill which had to be closed for a week every year due to the Notting Hill Carnival. Again, he planned ahead, notified his customers, boarded the shop up and the staff had a holiday.
It’s perfectly reasonable, the residents have known about this event for 8 MONTHS. Frankly there is no excuse, there are always alternative arrangements, even in the wild depths of darkest Surrey.
He runs a clay pigeon
He runs a clay pigeon shooting business and he is complaining about people making noise? 😕
Why are the residents trapped
Why are the residents trapped in their homes? Have their arms and legs been cut off? :”(
I always tend to respect
I always tend to respect people more when they demostrate complete and utter ignorance by using factually incorrect terms like “lycra louts”.
I always thought cars where
I always thought cars where noisier, and there was more of them
Yeah, not like your shooting
Yeah, not like your shooting business makes any noise at all..right?!?!
Quote:The closed road ride is
Unfortunately I’ve seen groups of cyclist who don’t do the cause any favours by not assisting the traffic and, one might say, even going out of their way to be obstructive and even abusive to car drivers.
Let’s learn a bit of tolerance on both sides and share the roads like the adults that most of us are.
don simon wrote:Quote:The
*sighs*
No rider is under any obligation to “assist the “traffic” “, if people want to drive on roads with riders on then that’s their choice, no one is forcing them too, they choose to drive.
northstar wrote:don simon
yeah DonSimon how dare you ask for tolerence!
Remember when this site had mainly reasoned, intelligent debate?
LOL, you don’t have a clue
LOL, you don’t have a clue what you are going on about, especially reasoned and intelligence, keep licking your wounds.
Good luck with “assisting with the “traffic” ” it will just create problems.
A one day road closure is
A one day road closure is unacceptable yet it’s OK for most of Surrey roads to be nose-to-tail with 4x4s, lorries and vans 364 days a year.
All hail the motor vehicle,
All hail the motor vehicle, every rider must remember to worship as it passes.
“….and it is only a matter
“….and it is only a matter of time before there is a major accident with the possibility of the loss of life. It will of course be the motorists fault.”
Quite
If you look at the GetSurrey
If you look at the GetSurrey site:
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/clay-pigeon-shoot-refusal-sparks-4836193
you’ll find Mr Huggins wanted to use his land for clay shooting “28 Saturdays a year, 52 Wednesdays a year and 28 other days a year”
And he complains about one day’s cycling a year? Nimby.
Looney, its cruel to kill
Looney, its cruel to kill virtual birds anyway.
Hmm, Box Hill eh? Wonder how
Hmm, Box Hill eh? Wonder how he feels about all the motorbikes riding past his house? Been that way on my old Ducati many times in the past and with its race cans, it was anything but quiet.
Quote:No rider is under any
I don’t have to say “please” or “thank-you”. I don’t have to hold “doors” open for “other people”. I don’t have to use my “indicators” when driving. I don’t have to use “hand signals” when riding. But I do. It makes life easier for everyone, please re-read what I wrote and try to understand it.
I get where Northstar is
I get where Northstar is coming from. I am also an advanced driver. I like the idea of assisting traffic flow even as a driver but you do need to be careful. I see drivers all the time doing things that they think are useful like stopping to let cars out from side roads. Nice idea until you get rear ended and someone accuses you of “slam on” accident.
Long ago I was hit by a car that was “flashed through” a gap by another motorist that hadn’t seen me. They were just being kind and thoughtful and the other motorist was just doing what most of us would also do. Legally it was the fault of the motorist that hit me for not checking themselves that it was clear but a big contribution was made by the other motorist deciding to “help” the traffic and making up their own rules.
As an aside the motorist that flashed just drove off. The motorist that hit me claimed it wasn’t her fault as she had been flashed through. Her insurance company tried to blame me and claimed my bike was unroadworthy because it was made up of different parts and wasn’t a specific make and model. Luckily my BCF licence gave me insurance and they explained that it was roadworth as had been inspected for a race the previous day.
So be careful giving hand signals or otherwise beckoning people through or giving way when you have right of way. You can’t make up your own rules. And if you change the assumptions of the Highway Code whilst trying to be helpful you could easily end up being blamed or even hurt when someone misinterprets your gestures.
Keep it simple. Only use hand signals in the highway code. Keep your lane, occupy your space. It may annoy some motorists that you don’t just get out of their way but the principle is clear. You have a right to be where you are. It is safer when you are visible and drivers need to take account of you. The chances that drivers will see you and then just run over you anyway are miniscule (however much they moan) The chances that by trying to be helpful and keeping out of their way or making room for them to squeeze past will result in them misjudging are much higher.
You can be polite and courteous without overdoing it.
LOL, how patronising it
LOL, how patronising it seems, please actually read what i wrote and understand it, go ahead and assist the traffic but when it all goes wrong, the drivers and others will probably try and blame you.
I love it when I look at an
I love it when I look at an article and the comments have already descended into nonsense. 😐
Hi, another attempt, it’s
Hi, another attempt, it’s stayed on topic and relevant unlike your post xxx
LOL, this reads like bike
LOL, this reads like bike radar threads, or worse, YouTube comments, when it descends into personal attacks
Calm down people. Someone has
Calm down people. Someone has an opinion that doesn’t chime exactly with yours. By all means educate reasonably and gently – otherwise deal with it.
@Oscarzero: great idea. I live in the Chilterns and there’s great riding round here too.
I lived on a closed off
I lived on a closed off street in London for the Olympics and while it was a nuisance for drivers to think differently I did not see much impact on businesses. Starbucks, Tescos, laundry, restaurants etc were full, cars went around the back streets, lots of community and country pride for the events.
I also wasn’t consulted on the road closure, woke up one day to see outside the window that people had been busy setting up barriers. Yes, initially I felt I had been ‘trapped’ in my own home. Then I went out and figured how to cross the road as needed, enjoyed the reduced traffic noise, and liked going out on the balcony to watch the races.
I think the real complaint here is that some people aren’t able to adapt and hate change.
I wonder if Mr Huggins has a
I wonder if Mr Huggins has a bee in his bonnet about the Council, after they turned down planning permission to expand his clay pigeon shooting?
Well spotted
Well spotted 🙂 🙂 cat1commuter
Turned down on the grounds of noise not surprisingly
cat1commuter wrote:I wonder
Mkay, comments can now be closed. 😀
You Cannot be Serious!
You Cannot be Serious! Stupid is as stupid does. This guy is self centered, egotistical; and looking to make a name for himself for all the wrong reasons. MUGGINS is playing a game of come and join my gang.. A trouble maker!
Not for the first time I
Not for the first time I rather sadly find myself admiring the French and wishing we Brits were a bit more like them. Not only do they have excellent roads but their attitude towards cycling, cyclists and races is to be envied. How sad that a whining OAP in England can’t embrace what our neighbours just a few miles over the Channel practically live for. He should be ashamed. Oh, and learn how to use English grammar properly.
If the good people of Surrey
If the good people of Surrey cannot see the major benefits of such events being hosted in their area and give just one day in the year I am sorry for them.
I went out to watch with many of the the local residents in my area – Horsley – and all I spoke to were enthusiastic.
Despite being inside the loop as it were it was still possible to get away if you had to.
Well done the organisers and I’ve got my name in the hat for next year
Can we have a petition to stop stupid petitions from self centred, selfish individuals
“noisy cyclists”? is that a
“noisy cyclists”? is that a joke, im pretty sure if you give me a decibel meter to take a sound measurement the flow of motorised trafic engines would far outway any noise from cyclists…
even if they were shouting to eachother and their volume was equal too or high than cars and lorries, surely the amount of time they cause noise is far lass than the amount of time that noise is heard from other traffic?!
Dear All
Thanks for letting
Dear All
Thanks for letting put my twopennyworth in though I feel some of you may not like it!
I am a Surrey resident who has signed the petition you are up in arms about. Let me explain why.
1. On the day of the event the carers for my 86 year old mother in law were denied access by the stewards. I appreciate this is not the fault of individual cyclists but that of the organisers, but it does need to be pointed out.
2. Like most Surrey residents I was extremely pleased about the route being used for the Olympics as a one off and for a rehearsal. At no point were residents consulted about an annual event.
3. Some towns and villages ARE completely isolated by the road closures e.g. Byfleet and Westcott.
4. Please look at the attached link as this is especially relevant on the A25 from Clandon to Dorking.
https://www.gov.uk/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82/overview-59-to-71
5. There is plenty of room on the roads if we ALL abide by the simple rules that are in place.
I hope no one is offended by my observations,
Kind regards
freespirit1
freespirit1 wrote:Dear All
3.
I live in Westcott and it’s lovely during these events, the kids can ride and walk in the streets without you having to be a couple of feet away at all times and the spirit on the green is great. It was also possible to drive somewhere on the Sunday of Ride London by leaving a car on Logmore Lane the night before.
What is relevant in that link for the A25? The bit about two abreast?
The road closures and their
The road closures and their duration were only announced with 2 to 3 weeks to go to the event. We were not given months and months notice of the that. The event yes, the nitty gritty no.
freespirit1 wrote:The road
The road closures were flagged months in advance in Wimbledon and details sent out by post and available on the internet. Perhaps you missed it in the post ?
It may have escaped your
It may have escaped your notice but Wimbledon comes under the Greater London Authority, therefore TFL. I am talking about Surrey, where we did indeed have to wait to find out the exact times of the road closures until 2 to 3 weeks before the event.
my notification came from the
my notification came from the race organiser. If they did not notify universally along the route then yes that is a failing to fix for next year but it was virtually impossible to not be aware of the event, a bit like the London marathon.
I was aware of the event in
I was aware of the event in February and have an e-mail string to councillors and others on SCC asking about the road closures.
It seemed reasonable as they ok’d the idea in the first place!
They all answered that the organisers would let them know and then they would let their electorates know.
Hence it was all confirmed at the end of June beginning of July, even then I found out from a local newspaper site.