Additional footage posted to YouTube of an incident in the Gloucestershire countryside showing a black clad woman attempting to push a slow-pedalling cyclist off his bike, the subject of an appeal by local police as we reported earlier today, appears to cast events in a new light.
According to the video posted to the site on 17 April – it’s unclear if this is the specific clip that prompted the police appeal – the cyclist in question is a hunt supporter, deliberately riding slowly in the middle of the road to prevent a car containing hunt monitors from reaching the location where a hunt is taking place.
The video includes audio from the occupants of the car immediately following the cyclist, and it appears that he rode in this way for several minutes prior to the incident, along the way cycling past a passing place where, in ordinary circumstances, most cyclists pull over and let motor traffic past.
What the video does determine is that the woman who attempts to punch and kick the cyclist wasn’t in the first vehicle, whose occupants appear to be in radio contact with another person, and there’s no suggestion that she herself is known to them or indeed a hunt monitor.
The latter, who in the days before the Hunting Act would perhaps more typically have been termed hunt saboteurs, undertake monitoring of hunts on a voluntary basis to ensure that they comply with legislation banning the hunting of foxes with hounds, among other things, and there have been several cases of people associated with hunts being convicted of violence towards them.
The cyclist’s own action in this case, if the circumstances reported in the video are correct, are of course non-violent and certainly don’t excuse the actions of the woman in black; the background, however, including the length of time he rode at that pace and failure to stop at a passing place does provide context that help explain how the situation arose.
Thanks to road.cc user littlelegs for alerting us to the extended version of the YouTube film
57 thoughts on “Road Rage Ninja Woman 2: The Director’s Cut”
The idiot deserved to be
The idiot deserved to be handbagged
Interesting to see that Kaya
Interesting to see that Kaya Burgess in the Times first referred to the Mail’s edited version and has now on Twitter said:
“There’s another view of cyclist/woman incident, that it might be foxhunting related and he was doing it deliberately. Will try to find out”
Chapeau to RoadCC for the update – I doubt very much if the Mail will do the same as it may be contrary to their apparent line on reporting stories of a cycling nature.
I like to think it has taken several months for a poor researcher to edit the video down to a length that makes a retired colonel from Middle Wallop foam at the mouth and spill his brandy in less than a minute.
Can someone else check, please? I already feel sick having had a look more than once today
The cyclist’s own actions are
The cyclist’s own actions are indeed non-violent, but potentially with the intention of allowing a separate violent (i.e. the hunt) incident to take place.
Of course, as you say, there is no suggestion that Ninja girl is connected with this any more than in a typical road rage sense.
The cyclist’s actions are
The cyclist’s actions are non-violent, that’s true. But he should have stopped at the passing place he cycles by.
Besides, if he’s a fox hunter, I would have run the twerp over! 😉
LondonCalling wrote:
Besides,
Hilarious. Given that there are multiple occasions where motorists have sufficiently dehumanised “cyclists” I’d like to send you to spend some time cracking jokes to the families of victims of your Daily Mail attitudes.
Quote:The cyclist’s own
The above framing is a fine example of weasel-wording. If we manage to drop our predjudices relating to the relative attractiveness (and she is hot), attire and attitude to animals the simple fact is that a motorist assaulted a cyclist because they felt the cyclist should get out of their way.
I expect to see the above quote or qualification appended to all road.cc stories about assaults on cyclists in the future … be careful what you condone.
I don’t see any “condoning”
I don’t see any “condoning” going on in those “weasel words” Ush, but then I don’t have the benefit of such an elevated position on the moral high ground as you. And to be strictly accurate from what we know he wasn’t attacked by a motorist, it’s more likely she was a passenger – not quite the same thing + there is a difference between riding slowly (I do that every day) and knowingly obstructing the traffic – a difference that can get you nicked.
I’d say the context this second vid provides is the simple one that he could quite easily have pulled over at the passing place to let traffic pass – that is the considerate thing to do whatever type of slow-moving vehicle you are in charge of. It’s got nothing to do with fox-hunting or the fact that she is ‘hot’ which didn’t buy here any sympathy in our story about the first video either.
The rights and wrongs of this case aside it would also be grown up of us to acknowledge that cyclists aren’t always in the right – I know that as a cyclist I’ve been involved in situations with other road users of which I’m not proud which is why I always try to avoid getting too sanctimonious about cases like this – where it would seem difficult to portray the victim as a paragon of cycling virtue and the plain fact is that neither of the two parties in this incident come out of it with much credit even though one is undeniably hot and the other is undeniably a cyclist.
tony_farrelly wrote:I don’t
Ah go on! You’re viewing this from the lofty, detached peak of non-sanctimonious adulthood. It’s quote obvious that you’re a superior being.
Strawman. Never denied that. Don’t deny that he’s behaving like a prat. But we’re not talking about getting nicked, we’re talking about being assaulted by another road user.
Agreed. He was being the opposite of considerate. And he was assaulted as a consequence of it. And the next time a motorist feels aggrieved that some ned in lycra is, from their perspective, being “inconsiderate” they’ll know they rest upon a culture of tolerance of violence towards other road users.
Ush wrote:I don’t see any
Ah go on! You’re viewing this from the lofty, detached peak of non-sanctimonious adulthood. It’s quote obvious that you’re a superior being.
Nah! When it comes to being sanctimonious I can only aspire to your pro-level performance – you could get a job writing op-ed pieces for the Daily Mail… unless you already have 😕
Ush wrote:Quote:… simple
You put your finger on it there, I think.
What a douche. Deserves what
What a douche. Deserves what he got and the rest of it and anyway I think she offsets any offence with tight pants – that will stand up in court, I’m sure.
Whether or not the bike rider
Whether or not the bike rider is a prat, that doesn’t excuse the assault.
He amy have been riding in an
He amy have been riding in an inconsiderate way, but she is still guilty of an assault. The Police will still want to find her.
Anyone thinking this is aceptable because he seems to be a hunt supporter, need to think if it would be ok if someone attacked them because of their views.
Lovely backside she has!
Lovely backside she has!
“Whether or not the bike
“Whether or not the bike rider is a prat, that doesn’t excuse the assault.”
Yes, yes it does. She ‘helped’ him over to the side of the road (health & safety, don’t you know…) then he raises a hand to her – looks like he got a feel as well, the dirty ba$tard.
“Anyone thinking this is aceptable because he seems to be a hunt supporter, need to think if it would be ok if someone attacked them because of their views.”
No, it’s because he’s behaving like a d1ckhead. I very much doubt any damage was done.
It doesn’t matter that the
It doesn’t matter that the guy was riding like a prat, that is still an assault and battery.
The lawful defenses to assault are: Consent, self-defence, defence of property and the prevention of crime
None of which would apply here.
So she would still be guilty of the assault.
Is he a definite, nailed on
Is he a definite, nailed on fox hunter? Or are we still in the grounds of “might be a fox hunter”?
He could, after all, be a local who thinks “I live round here and cycle round here all the time, why should I be bullied off the road by a load of people speeding round trying to make a name for themselves”?
I highly doubt that the girl in question wasnt carefully and deliberately chosen to do that job. If they had sent a bloke out to give him a crack there is a strong chance the fella could have given him a good belting back. Send a ‘pretty young girl’ out to assault him and chances are the fella isnt going to start swinging ear warmers at her, also, you stand a better chance of getting away with assault as ‘she’s only a pretty little girl, what damage could she do?’
Cleverly planned.
farrell wrote:
He could,
+1
Foxhunter or not, you should be able to ride around your local lanes in peace without being attacked by people who are in too much of a hurry for whatever reason.
JohnS wrote:Foxhunter or not,
We’re making assumptions here, the convoy of cars that were all linked up via a radio system and were getting so het up about being slowed to 5 miles an hour that sending someone out to assault someone else seemed like a reasonable thing to do may have spent the day driving sensibly and not hooning around the countryside.
farrell wrote:JohnS
If you can’t be arsed to slow down for a local on his bike, you’re using the wrong road. And in too much of a hurry.
I think I may be in love with
I think I may be in love with a Ninja :X
Anyone who thinks that an
Anyone who thinks that an individual deserves to be assaulted because “he was behaving like a dickhead” or some such needs to think about how subjective that statement is. I was beeped at on Saturday morning for riding at a steady 15-20mph on the left side of a country road, in visible clothing, good weather conditions and observing the law. No doubt the driver thought that I was “behaving like a dickhead” for wearing lycra etc.
It’s got nothing to do with what you think constitutes stupid behaviour, in this case it’s what the assaulter thinks that counts, and all too often they are brainless fools.
“No doubt the driver thought
“No doubt the driver thought that I was “behaving like a dickhead” for wearing lycra etc.”
No, he may think you look like a dickhead. You weren’t doing anything like what the dickhead in the video was doing.
My point is that it’s
My point is that it’s entirely subjective. He was beeping because he was angry that he hadn’t been able to pass instantly on the narrow road, which makes it similar to this.
Right or wrong, I’m in love
Right or wrong, I’m in love with a gorgeous feisty young woman !!
Look, I am not as quick as I
Look, I am not as quick as I used to be, I had a flash back to one of my breakaways as a pro and I thought it was my support car following.
It did all turn out for the best, me and the foxy redhead got married 6 months later.
Wedding breakfast was roasted fox .. mmmmm! :^o
She is ****ing hot you gais!
She is ****ing hot you gais!
Farrell wrote: “He could,
Farrell wrote: “He could, after all, be a local who thinks “I live round here and cycle round here all the time, why should I be bullied off the road by a load of people speeding round trying to make a name for themselves”?”
I didn’t see the car immediately behind him bullying him, quite the contrary, it was keeping its distance. I ride on a lot on similar roads (rather quicker than he does), and I’d have pulled over at that passing place. I like motorists where I can see them
😉
Quoting again: “We’re making assumptions here, the convoy of cars that were all linked up via a radio system and were getting so het up about being slowed to 5 miles an hour that sending someone out to assault someone else seemed like a reasonable thing to do may have spent the day driving sensibly and not hooning around the countryside.”
There’s some pretty big assumptions being made right there…
😕
Simon_MacMichael wrote:
I
I would have pulled over too, and yes, they were keeping back, albeit calling him an idiot, an arse, arrogant and a complete prick at the same time. I was suggesting that he could have been holding the traffic up, simply because he didnt like non-locals interfering with his day. I wasnt excusing his riding.
That was the tongue in cheek point I was making.
farrell wrote:That was the
Sorry, long day 😉
farrell
I would have pulled over too, and yes, they were keeping back, albeit calling him an idiot, an arse, arrogant and a complete prick at the same time. I was suggesting that he could have been holding the traffic up, simply because he didnt like non-locals interfering with his day. I wasnt excusing his riding.
That was the tongue in cheek point I was making.— Simon_MacMichael
That was far from obvious.
I’m seeing a young woman,
I’m seeing a young woman, probably from a car containing at least one other young person, attack an old man on a bike. He may well be deaf. At no point do I see or hear any attempt to get his attention, e.g. car horns, before the attack. The girl doesn’t run past him to get in his field of vision and talk to him. She just attacks. Mind you, I’m nearer his age than hers so I’m probably biased.
When it boils down to it this
When it boils down to it this was a tiny little scuffle not an assault that anyone would want to see go to court. At first she was just pushing him which is not assault and worse goes on at a rush hour tube stations every day. The man escalated it into feeble blows but if a policeman was there he would most probably have told them both to calm down, move on and concentrate on their fantasy cycling teams which is also the advice I intend to follow.
Even if the guy does follow
Even if the guy does follow the Berkshire Hunt, it doesn’t warrant the attack.
She was clearly attempting to
She was clearly attempting to have sex with this poor, innocent man, and he had to summon all his strength to curb her advances.
But it’s not entirely her fault–she had been unwillingly subjected to a prolonged viewing of his powerful, verile, masculine physique (a view of the posterior IN MOTION, no less!) What woman could resist such tempation? It happens to me all the time!
+1 for nice arse
+1 for nice arse 8>
“+1 for nice arse ”
The
“+1 for nice arse ”
The cyclist’s or the lady’s?
GilesBradshaw wrote:”+1 for
difficult call, but the lady’s.
Just :))
The initial move of the girl
The initial move of the girl is th attempt to push the cyclists to the side of the road. In this sense it was a flawed tactic – there should have been 2 people in a pincher move who closed in and grabbed the handlebars, and keeping a slightly faster momentum would have than simply steered the bike to the side of the road, keeping shoulder to shoulder with the man on the bike. Seen that technique used by Royal Protection to ‘steer’ a guy with shotgun into the parcels office when royals got off train in highlands one each side walking same pace and close but not touching….
No doubt skilled peloton teams will have similar techniques for boxing in,,,
Given the video and length of time he was doing this a strong case for a charge of obstructing the highway, and possibly behavior liable to cause a breach of the peace
So their protest is noble yet
So their protest is noble yet he is arrogant in making his? Hypocrisy alert
She isn’t a hunt monitor she
She isn’t a hunt monitor she is a hunt sab which is slightly different. I know because I’ve been discussing her activities with her on facebook. As for all this ‘police are investigating’ BS don’t believe everything you hear. They are perfectly well aware of who she is.
Moreover this video was posted by Judy Gilbert – a hunt monitor. The hunt sab is on her friends list.
I’m really unconvinced by the arguments that this is right. Whatever the guy was doing it is wrong to simply shove people out of your way.
The attack on the cyclist was
The attack on the cyclist was plain and simple battery – the woman could have simply asked him to move out of the way but she didn’t, she just went straight in and hit him.
Whoever posted the attack on YouTube obviously approves of the attack – the heading and music make that abundantly clear. But violence is either wrong per se or it isn’t: you can’t have it both ways. What whoever posted the attack doesn’t seem to have considered is that if someone found the hunt monitors or saboteurs annoying, by the same token or logic they would be entitled to attack them.
And the message for cyclists is that as far as the people who posted the video are concerned, it’s not OK to hurt foxes but it is OK to assault cyclists who are “annoying”.
Sakurashinmachi wrote:The
Er, actually she went straight in and pushed him to try and get him out of the way, the first person to raise their hand was him, she doesn’t even land a blow and the kick was aimed at the bike. Let’s try and stick to the facts shall we. Oh, and maybe a bit of perspective would help too – it’s a msssive leap to say that the person who posted the video thinks it’s okay to assault” cyclists who are annoying – at most they think it’s okay to “assault” this particular cyclist.
“Er, actually she went
“Er, actually she went straight in and pushed him to try and get him out of the way …. Let’s try and stick to the facts shall we.”
Er, actually, as a fact, that pushing is assault.
I personally think she’s a
I personally think she’s a runner trying to overtake a cyclist who was slowing her sub 3 hour marathon time!
I don’t know why people assume she was part of the moving vehicle line.
If she was or wasn’t being a prat in ANY situation would inspire people to assault you.
Great job to road.cc to point out their clarification of the situation and giving us another chance to enjoy the view of those buns.
Having rewound a re-watched a
Having rewound a re-watched a half dozen times, I’m still siding with the old geezer. The girl could have attempted to run past and ask him to stop, instead of pushing. If someone tried to push me off the road, I’d hit out too.
Also, +1 for my shame with all the ‘nice arse’ comments. WTF guys, seriously? This isn’t the 1950’s.
Shoulda sent Roberto Ferrari
Shoulda sent Roberto Ferrari in…
Actually, he broke the law
Actually, he broke the law first, as he is clearly obstructing the highway, with malice aforethought. Whether that justifies being assaulted I wouldn’t like to say, but it does make any assault understandable. We don’t know if the people in the convoy of cars were just out for a Sunday drive or going to the deathbed of their dearly beloved parents or were getting to hospital for an emergency transplant. If there was someone on urgent business, then trying to prevent another person deliberately obstructing the Queen’s highway could be seen as doing your public duty.
If the young lady is taken to court for assault, then he should also appear in court charged with obstructing the highway. Whether any assault was justified or not, he brought it upon himself by deliberately, consciously obstructing the highway, and has only himself to blame. Why he chose to do such a thing on a bicycle rather than use a motor vehicle is beyond me, but I would certainly concur with some of the pithier comments above.
If the young lady does end up in court, I’d happily contribute to her defence fund.
Doesn’t make the slightest
Doesn’t make the slightest difference what his mode of transport was – he was a fool holding up the traffic deliberately and deserved a good shoeing.
ps. She does have a nice arse.
Without jumping to
Without jumping to conclusions or taking sides, I think it would set a dangerous precedent to prosecute a cyclist for obstructing the highway.
The only circumstances under which it would seem resonable are if he were politely asked to let the following vehicles pass, and refused to do so. We don’t know what happened outside of the variously edited videos and internet gossip.
I love it!! Don’t hound the
I love it!! Don’t hound the runner – reward her!! The guy on the bike should be dumped over the nearest hedge, preferably still attached to his bike!!! The drivers should have been blaring on their horns at him the whole way, but then again, one of them should have gotten out of the car and remonstrated with him about his attitude and behaviour.
Yep, I’d love to see more footage of the runner – nice buns, great figure and a real no-nonsense attitude. Btw, looking again at the footage, which part of the lady runner did the cyclist grab????? Would love to follow her on my bike – yum, yum!!!!
But a clown on a bike doing what he did is going to upset people driving cars and, frankly, he totally deserved a good smacking.
Just thought I better throw
Just thought I better throw my hat in the ring on this one, the driver of the car being obstructed didn’t once sound her horn! for all we know the guy could have been deaf (probably not, just awkward old so and so) isn’t it fun to film your friends being what you think to be right when there was a very simple alternative. Also to really stir it up, why don’t the townies go back home and leave countryside matters that they do not/will not understand to the people that actually live there.
Why was she not in the
Why was she not in the kitchen?
(hides…)
This has nothing to do with
This has nothing to do with someone attacking a cyclist and everything to do with the conflict between the hunt / and hunt monitors. I used to be a hunt sab about 20 years ago and it was terrier men with big sticks dishing out the aggro back in the day, not ninja ladies.
The funny thing is, I and many of my companions grew up in villages, but we regularly got the kind of “townies go home” comments of the kind FATBUGGER (above) seems to be bandying about.
I’ve got nothing against anyone killing to eat, but 30 hounds and a load of toffs on horseback should be taking on a pride of lions or a pack of wolves, surely, not one measly fox. I appreciate its contribution to the rural economy, but it’s not exacly bringing out the best in people.
Anyway she didn’t get violent until the guy grabbed her round the neck – it look like she was trying to make him veer to the left but he steered right then put his foot down. They just need to get 4 people out there to shepherd the man and his bike to the side of the road in a controlled manner, instead of relying on one person which is bound to result in a bit of argy bargy.
Random thoughts of days gone
Random thoughts of days gone by, recalled after watching the video once (ie so I formed my thoughts on feelings as if I’m in that situation, not doing a detached 20/20 hindsight investigation)…
There once was a time when women wearing sexy clothing were blamed for being raped. They were asking for it, the saying went. I trust we are past blaming the victim.
A few years ago, there was a go-slow protest (about fuel prices) on the roads by lorry drivers. It was a way for them to protest peacefully.
Younger men have been known to wear tweed and ride their bicycles. This is usually done in groups as a quirky social event. Wearing Tweed does not necessarily mean you are old.
I wonder what would have happened if that road was occupied (blocked) – Would that have led to a more peaceful initial confrontation/dialog? Ie is there a frustration in making slow progress in a car versus no progress (ironically)?
Andrew
She is
She is revealed…
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nice-arse-cracking-burd
Sorry about it being the Daily Rant
She is revealed…
h t t p
She is revealed…
h t t p ://preview.tinyurl.com/nice-arse-cracking-burd
Daily Rail, so sorry.