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@wtjs the Tesla cybercabs don’t even have LIDAR - so they are literally blind in heavy fog because the entire system relies on cameras to judge distance and obstacles.

@wtjs Says who? Waymo? Tesla? Audis BMWs will still be on the road in the same numbers. Are driverless taxis an extra as yet unquantified hazard?

I am concerned about the reported collisions in the US of driverless taxis with pedestrians and cyclists. Has enough work been done to ensure that the camera and software systems are sufficiently robust? What would be considered an acceptable collision rate to deem the trial successful? Is there a danger that the path of least resistance will be taken to ban cyclists from certain roads or because it means companies like Waymo do not have to carry out expensive and time consuming software mods - a lot of profit is at stake and greed is a powerful force.

Even if it's powered by a ZX Spectrum, it still going to be safer for cyclists than an Audi, BMW, Stagecoach or BYD driver

@wtjs Ah yes, the classic "excuse" which is in fact an admission of guilt.

@open_roads can't disagree that some more road policing would be welcome, but a) I don't think "police it better" fixes the roads and ... *sigh*... are "hurty words" (threats to kill?) and "progressive" things (do you mean "domestic abuse" / "racist abuse") not "low level offending" then? Or can we not afford to police such minor things? There are issues with police per head of population and no doubt the growth of the law and creeping "legal professionalism" (clever lawyering means that standards of evidence are higher). And I'm sure i don't agree with all their priorities. But ... are you sure you're not daydreaming of an imaginary former age when the village bobby dealt with yobbos with a swift clip round the ear? (Or occasionally slammed their genitals in the door down the station until they confessed, because obviously the suspects "were the type")?

The Police continually whinge about lack of resources but steadfastly refuse to tackle low level offending even though research shows this can reduce the likelihood of more serious offending. So whilst the police spend their time on politically “progressive” training courses, policing hurty word ane “non crime hate incidents” (which they’ve already been ordered to stop) , low level offending is ignored. We only have to look at the enormous number of reactive emergency services vehicles / staff deployed to small incidents to see that the resources are there. Deploying more proactive resource to effectively police the road would change driver behaviour and help to reduce the incidence of more serious / fatal road traffic offences. It would also likely surface other offending e.g. drugs, robbery etc which are often identified in traffic stops.

@wtjs I hope they've also budgeted for the cost of removing wedged vehicles from them several times per year, plus legal costs of those motorists who try to claim for damage to their vehicles, then numbers of pedestrians who trip over them, plus an action by sight-impaired / disabilities rights groups who say they're "trapped on one side of the road"... (Depending on design, I might have a modicum of sympathy for the latter - only they never complain or at least never get a hearing when it's motor vehicles and associated kit blocking their way. And of course in the UK currently nothing short of tank-deterring obstacles will keep the motorists out).

Shurely (given the next para) this should read *not* the "most proportionate..."

Lots of lovely new boulders in Camden, London If they aren't equipped with steel anchor rods and cemented in, they're going to be nicked/ moved!