You might not have heard of the Quick Pro AR:One, but the built-up version pictured here hits the scales at just 6.3kg, complete with power meter pedals, bottle cages, sealant in the tyres, and a GPS mount up front. A medium-sized frame (in a matt black finish) weighs from 762g with titanium bottle cage bolts and derailleur hangers in place. The frameset in the Harlequin finish shown here is $1,999 (£1,638), so what’s going on?
The bike you see here belongs to Joe Whittingham, CEO of China-based online retailer Panda Podium. You might know Joe from the China Cycling channel on YouTube. He knows pretty much everything there is to know about the Asian bike industry.
Panda Podium sells the Quick Pro AR:One and Joe was involved in its development so he’s in no way a disinterested party here, but we thought you’d be interested in seeing what sort of bike you could put together by speccing equipment mainly from Chinese brands.
“This is designed to be my race bike,” says Joe. “I don't do much racing anymore, but when I do, I need a nice, fast bike that has good rolling resistance on the flats in the pack, but that’s also pretty light for going up the hills so I can use what little weight advantage I have.”
The first thing you’ll notice about this particular Quick Pro AR:One is the Harlequin paint job, designed by Joe. Distinctive! If it’s not for you, you can save $100 (£82) and a little weight by going for a Matt Black or Team Edition (blue/black) finish.
The frame itself is made from Toray’s T1100 and M65 carbon fibre – which is high-quality stuff – and weighs as little as 680g (XS size) in its raw form, just out of the mould.
The Quick Pro AR:One is a true monocoque, produced as a single piece rather than being made up of separate parts that are bonded together after moulding.
The Quick Pro AR:One is built with a BSA (threaded) bottom bracket and has space for tyres up to 32mm wide. It’s UCI-approved for racing at all levels… and this is very much a race bike. Former WorldTour pro rider Martin Laas, who was involved in the development process, apparently had the stiffness dialled back a notch or two, but we’re still talking about a frame that prioritises efficiency over long-ride comfort.
The geometry is highly race-focused, as you'd expect. Joe uses a small frame, but as an example, the medium comes with a 534.6mm stack height and a 386.7, giving a stack/reach of 1.38. That's aggressive. The head tube is 130mm on the medium model. Even on the XL size, we’re only talking about a 160mm head tube, so if you want a lofty front end to keep your back and neck happy on relaxed café rides, look away.
As mentioned up top, Joe Whittingham’s complete Quick Pro AR:One hits the scales at 6.3kg. That’s with his normal wheels fixed in place. We’re talking about 5.9kg with climbing wheel on.
“This is my race bike,” says Joe. “As you see it here, this is 6.3kg. That’s with the bottle cages, with the Garmin mount, all that stuff. We've still got 2x on the front, we’ve got proper tyres with sealant in there, a proper cassette. Zero compromises whatsoever.”
We’re certainly not suggesting that weight is everything when it comes to choosing the best bike – not by a long, long way – but this shows you what’s possible here.
The Quick Pro AR:One frame comes with a 20mm offset seatpost as standard, but you can buy a zero-offset seatpost for $99 (£81), and that’s what you see on Joe’s bike.
The braking/shifting comes courtesy of Shimano’s top-level Dura-Ace 9200 groupset while most other components are from the Panda Podium portfolio. Guess that’s one of the benefits of being CEO.
> Read our review of Shimano's Dura-Ace R9200 Groupset
The combined handlebar/stem is a Farsports F1X ($499/£409), for example, the wheels are Craft Racing Works (CRW) CS5060 ($1,680/£1,376) with a 50mm rim up front, 60mm at the rear, non-standard white spokes, and a claimed weight of just 1,290g.
The chainset is Cybrei Carbon with alloy spider and carbon chainrings ($729/£597), the saddle is MVMT M-Gold ($229/£188), pure carbon and just 65g… The list goes on.
Joe reckons the total cost of his bike is $7,504.95. That converts to about £6,147. Of course, you could build a complete bike based on the Quick Pro AR:One frame for less than that.
“My brief with this was just to make the highest performance bike I could, money no object,” says Joe Whittingham. “Performance was number one. This is not a budget build. You could save yourself a heap of money on this build by swapping things out.
“I'm using Dura-Ace. You could swap that to Ultegra and lose a tiny bit of performance and save yourself a whole bunch of money. I'm not suggesting everyone go out and splash this much money on a bike. I just wanted to see what it felt like for once in my life to have a money-no-object performance bike, and that's what I came up with.”
That said, even Joe’s tricked-out boutique build isn’t expensive compared to most Western brands, considering what you’re getting here… But, yeah, we take his point; you don’t need to spend $220 (£180) on Overfast carbon thru axles, for example.
We’ve not ridden the Quick Pro AR:One so we can’t comment on the performance, but this looks like an interesting bike and demonstrates what’s possible with a little imagination if you’re willing to give Chinese brands a go.
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There are plenty of 'recognised' brands that's are no more than Chinese open mould frames with a name on the side. Planet X comes to mind.
They are attractive purchases because you get a UK warranty and consumer rights. Buying the same frame from China direct removes these protections.
But even so, I prefer to buy bikes from recognised brands who design and create their own frames.
I think change is definitely coming though. The supply chain from design and manufacture to delivery of product to the consumer is under pressure. This is due to mainstream brands very high prices on top of the line products that have relatively low manufacturing costs, but lots of mark-ups before reaching the rider. It's true that a significant part of the sticker price of western brands is customer service, support and 'trust' of the consumer, but I think some of the Chinese brands are catching up. Some of these brands are the OEMs for parts marketed by the western brands.
The manufacturing expertise is in the far east. The traditional expertise in marketing and supposedly in research, design and testing is in the west. Given the extremely marginal gains at the top end of the road cycling market, I would question taking this at face value; is a Tarmac SL8 claimed to be a handful of seconds faster at 50kph than an SL7 meaningful? Some of the Chinese brands are starting to provide things like quantitative data on aerodynamics and stiffness (tkaing websites at face value).
Consumer perception of quality is a challenge for the eastern brands, not because they can't design, manufacture and QC products to a high standard. They can, have done for years and do so for the western brands. I would argue, given cost pressure for the western brands, and the shorter supply chain for the eastern brands, selling a high quality product from China is easier and cheaper than from the west. It is not in the interest of a 'recognised' Chinese brands to sell low quality products. The reputational impact is high. The cost of returns is high and servicing is more difficult to achieve with limited in-country distribution. Having said that, some of the eastern brands are establishing distribution networks. I have service experience of one of them and it was ok, but quite 'reasonable endeavours'. I felt if I had to return something it would be ok, but it wasn't like walking into a Giant / Specialized / Western concept store.
At the end of the day, I own two Winspace frames and a bunch of Elite wheels and am happy with all of them. I measured the frames for things like BB tolerance and they were better than some of the Cervelo frames hanging on my wall from a few seasons ago. Spares are readinly available for the wheels although I don't expect to walk into a shop and just buy them. Performance of the Winspace frames and Elite wheels has been flawless so far.
Your mileage and preferences may vary, but the Chinese brands are on the rise and the competition should be good for us.
I don't believe that.
The draw of a brand name still carries more weight. People want what the pros are riding. It's part fashion, part status symbol. Why do people buy expensive cars when a more modest one will 90% of all the things a luxury brand does? Why do people own expensive jewellery? Why to kids want that expensive pair of trainers? Brand names will always sell. That's the nature of commercialism and consumer trends.