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NEW BIKE - Internal Hub Gearing and Lockable Front Suspension on flat bars

I am relatively new to cycling but wife and I have just bought a static holiday home it I want to get into it.  I have been trying to look at options online and from experience i know i prefer to be a little more upright (before anyone suggests a cyclocross bike -  21 on my bike.

I would like internal hub gearing and lockable front suspension on flat bars.  For those who like to work with a bugdet i would say £1000.  I plan on keeping this bike as my one and only bike for a long time so I can play with this budget either way if needed.  Obviously like anyone I would love to spend as little as possible but I would rather buy good quality once than buy poorer quality twice.

I am 5'6" and an athletic build.  I am a tennis coach.

Thanks for your suggestions on bikes that might suit.

Cheers,

Robin

 

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RobinN | 8 years ago
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Hi guys,

I wanted to thank you all for your advice.  I looked at everything you guys posted and considered the advice and comments carefully.

After thinking about the type of riding I plan on doing and looking more at some bikes online and instore (and trying out a few). I decided I was best with a 29er. I have bought a Cube Reaction HPA SL 2016 which I managed to get just in budget thanks to a friend.

http://www.cube.eu/uk/products/mtb-hardtail/reaction/cube-reaction-hpa-sl-2x-blacknflashred-2016/

I think the combination of better quality forks and still coming in well under 12kg meant I did not really see the point in the hybrid. I will of course be putting thinner tyres on it but nice to have the option of wider tyres if I need them.

As for the hubs I tried them and I think they are amazing and probably the future of cycling in 10-20 years time I would guess but I think currently the popularity of them makes finding a well spec'd bike at a decent price nearly impossible.

So in summary I asked you for a do it all flat bar hybrid and I ended up bying a hardtail MTB with fox 32 lock out suspension, lightweight aluminium frame, full shimano XT gears and brakes. I will esentially make into a hybrid by fitting skinnier tyres on it.

I'd be interested to here your thoughts on the decision but be nice as the order has already been made. If anyone would like to suggest a set of tyres for me I'd love to know what you think.

Thank you,

Robin

 

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urbane | 8 years ago
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I was considering and tried a 14 speed Rohloff bike several years ago, but was unimpressed by the awkward twist gear shifter, fixed gear ratio steps, poor efficiency on slower gears and complicated cable use.  I haven't looked at other hub gear systems much, but expect gear step, gear range and other disadvantages with these.

Using wheels with non-stock hubs has disadvantages because you lose the ability to rapidly swap in another stock wheel (e.g. to swap a tire type, or after wheel wear) and may not get the better spokes and rims of some quality stock wheels, and will have the hassle of a wheel rebuild each time you wear out a rim or spokes, this will be more of an issue if you use rim brakes.

Most hub gear bicycles are significantly more expensive that an equivalent detailer bicycle, most have exposed chains and toothed gears which still need regular maintenance, and the hub may cause specialist maintenance issues.

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BikeJon | 8 years ago
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Just not the clean look I was after. But this will work perfectly well.

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bikebot | 8 years ago
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@BikeJon

I've got a Kaffenback 2, which I've been toying with converting to an Alfine at some point. Useful to read your comments about the dropouts as compared to the Pompetamine, which was exactly my hunch. Just wondering why you didn't use a chain tension?

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BikeJon | 8 years ago
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I'm fortuunate enough to own lots of bikes. One of them is an Alfine 11 disc equipped dropped bar bike on a Planet X Kaffenback 2 frameset. I previously had this setup running on a Pompetamine frameset. I found the Alfine to be a B1**h on the horizontal dropouts of the previous frame as it's really hard to get the rear wheel in the correct position, with the correct chain tension and then not have it rub on the rotors of the discs. I'd be fiddling around for ages getting it all right.

So you can imagine the pain it caused if I ever got a rear wheel puncture. I've switched to a vertical dropout frameset and this is much easier (I've used a half-link in the chain to get the chain tension right but also have an eccentric BB I can use when the chain stretches a bit).

The Alfine is also heavy and the gears can slip and splutter from time-to-time. My gear changes on my Versa levers have long travel and are a bit cheap, but I don't believe this is an issue with the proper Shimano flat-mount Afline shifters. There is a Di2 version of Alfine, which has very rapid shifting indeed but I think the hubs themselves are prone to oil leaks.

Despite all this, I do enjoy riding the bike. But mainly because it is different. I think it looks kinda cool (I've gone for a bit of a retro look with my personal build - yes I am mechanically proficient). But I wouldn't want this bike as my 'only' bike. I think it would be a mistake to call the Alfine 'maintenance free' and I find it harder to live with than standard gearing.

I think of suspension forks as being for pretty hardcore off-roading. If you are unlikely to be hitting trails this hard you could save yourself a load of weight by going for a rigid fork. I think you could open up more possibilities of fine bikes if you didn't look for something quite so specialist to begin with. You will end up with a heavy bike for that budget otherwise. I realise weight isn't everything but when it's really heavy it does mar the experience and enjoyment somewhat.

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ficklewhippet | 8 years ago
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Scott Sub Speed 10? 8 speed hub, and not sure if the forks can be locked out , sorry.
Nice looks though.

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Simon E | 8 years ago
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Do you really need front suspension? More weight, more complication, possibly only of real benefit when hooning down rough singletrack at speed.

Genesis used to make a Day One Alfine but currently offer the Day One 20, a Nexus 8-speed drop bar bike for £800. Or perhaps buy the singlespeed Day One and have an Alfine 11 drivetrain added to it? For flat-barred models there is the Ridgeback Flight 4 (£950) or Focus Planet Pro (£850), which has Alfine gears and belt drive. Cube sell one with belt drive too IIRC. Halfords have the 13 Bikes Intuitive Gamma for £650 (RRP £900) which looks quite striking.

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CycloTron07 | 8 years ago
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RobinN | 8 years ago
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CygnusX1,  Thank you for your comments.

As you correctly identified my thinking was if I got something like this I would have a very low maintenence bike that can manage on/off road leisure rides.  I would probably do some off road  jumping around if i could and that was my thinking behind having suspention i can lock out. Locked on the road and let it bounce when off the beaten track.

I like the look of the Alfine 11 and also the Rohloff and Pinion hubs but they are at very, very different price brackets.

 

L.Willo,

Yes it seems like a very popular setup in Europe and one that realistically as a one for all bike would suit many people but I am Stuggling to find the type of bike in the UK.  I am not sure why this is the case.  

Cube (a german manufactuer) have the town

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Cube-Town-2016-Hybrid-Sports-Bike_84709.htm

and in a "sportier frame" they have the editor http://www.cube.eu/uk/products/trekking/editor/cube-editor-black-flashgreen-2016/ 

which is great but without the suspension. Would I be able to add suspention forks to this in time if I wished?

 

Endorfin seem to be ahead of the curve and making amazing bikes with this setup but certainly not within my price bracket.  http://www.endorfinbikes.co.uk/bikes.htm Infact both the Rohloff and Pinion hubs alone come in around my total budget.

There seem to be companies making the bike I am after with the ultra high end components made by Rohloff and Pinion. Does anyone know of any other options at the Shimano Alfine 11 level?

 

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RobinN | 8 years ago
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CygnusX1,  Thank you for your comments.

As you correctly identified my thinking was if I got something like this I would have a very low maintenence bike that can manage on/off road leisure rides.  I would probably do some off road  jumping around if i could and that was my thinking behind having suspention i can lock out. Locked on the road and let it bounce when off the beaten track.

I like the look of the Alfine 11 and also the Rohloff and Pinion hubs but they are at very, very different price brackets.

 

L.Willo,

Yes it seems like a very popular setup in Europe and one that realistically as a one for all bike would suit many people but I am Stuggling to find the type of bike in the UK.  I am not sure why this is the case.  

Cube (a german manufactuer) have the town

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Cube-Town-2016-Hybrid-Sports-Bike_84709.htm

and in a "sportier frame" they have the editor http://www.cube.eu/uk/products/trekking/editor/cube-editor-black-flashgreen-2016/ 

which is great but without the suspension. Would I be able to add suspention forks to this in time if I wished?

 

Endorfin seem to be ahead of the curve and making amazing bikes with this setup but certainly not within my price bracket.  http://www.endorfinbikes.co.uk/bikes.htm Infact both the Rohloff and Pinion hubs alone come in around my total budget.

There seem to be companies making the bike I am after with the ultra high end components made by Rohloff and Pinion. Does anyone know of any other options at the Shimano Alfine 11 level?

 

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L.Willo replied to RobinN | 8 years ago
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RobinN wrote:

L.Willo,

Yes it seems like a very popular setup in Europe and one that realistically as a one for all bike would suit many people but I am Stuggling to find the type of bike in the UK.  I am not sure why this is the case.  

Cube (a german manufactuer) have the town

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Cube-Town-2016-Hybrid-Sports-Bike_84709.htm

and in a "sportier frame" they have the editor http://www.cube.eu/uk/products/trekking/editor/cube-editor-black-flashgreen-2016/ 

which is great but without the suspension. Would I be able to add suspention forks to this in time if I wished?

Hi Robin. The Cube Editor is a fantastic bike. Really light and bombproof, a joy to ride on road as well as for light/moderate offroad stuff. I want one myself and will try to snag one in the post-summer sales. I would have suggested it but I thought it was out of your price range.

Yes, you could retrofit a suspension fork but choose a touring bike fork rather than a mountain bike specific fork to maintain the same geometry.

Those Endorphin bikes look interesting but as soon as you mention Rohloff or Pinion, at least in the UK prices become astronomical.

Alfine 11? Not sub £1000 in the UK unfortunately. That Cube Editor represents the best value that I have seen at £1200 or so.

Good luck, Robin, whatever you choose.

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L.Willo | 8 years ago
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Sounds like a very sensible bike, the kind you see a lot of in Europe but not in the sport obsessed UK.

This one might fit the bill: 

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Cube-Town-2016-Hybrid-Sports-Bike_84709.htm

But do check with the retailer whether or not the fork has remote lock out. It should do, but at the price £579, you could afford to buy a very good quality lightweight suspension fork with lockout and still have plenty of change out of £1000.

Good luck.

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CygnusX1 | 8 years ago
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Hi Robin,

Interesting combination of items on your wish list, and not one that's readily available in many bikes I suspect.  It sounds like you are after something that can handle on/off road leisure rides in the countryside around your static, and hub gears for easy maintenance? 

Easiest way to achieve that may be to find a hard-tail MTB/hybrid that ticks most of your boxes then convert the drive train to hub gears - say the Shimano Alfine:

http://road.cc/content/review/27971-shimano-alfine-11-hub-and-shifter  

However it may be worth re-evaluating what it is you want from the bike (and yourself) and how you came to pick on those specific requirements. 

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