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“Get on the f***ing road!” Angry pedestrian confronts cyclist for “riding on the pavement” – while standing in front of shared-use path sign; National Cycle Network or cyclocross course?; “Why I stopped complaining about cyclists” + more on the live blog
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2024 Van Rysel road bikes and kit for newly-named Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale unveiled (and the prices aren’t too outrageous)
After the revamped and rebranded AG2R squad’s brown short-less launch in Lille yesterday, we took a deeper dive into the bikes and equipment from Decathlon’s in-house performance road cycling brand set to grace the sport’s biggest events in 2024:


No brown shorts for Bennett
When listing his reasons for joining Decathlon-AG2R La Mondiale yesterday, former Tour de France green jersey winner Sam Bennett may cited the French squad’s history of harnessing Irish talent, its “amazing race programme”, the opportunity to work with Van Rysel, and the overall team environment, which he hopes will enable him to regain his grand tour stage-winning “top level”.
The two-time Tour stage winner neglected to mention one important reason for plumping for AG2R, however: their iconic brown shorts.
In fact, if Bennett’s wife Tara is to be believed, those infamous shorts – now consigned to the bin after AG2R unveiled a Decathlon-inspired blue and white colour scheme yesterday, complete with classic black shorts (gasp!) – were a major draw for the Irishman.
Despite the news about the updated black shorts, I am incredibly happy about this news!
Can’t wait for the new season. 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 https://t.co/tWjlVqqnvR
— Tara Bennett (@Tee4Tara) November 27, 2023
“A divisive subject in pro cycling but I LOVED the ICONIC brown shorts,” Tara tweeted yesterday.
“Cannot believe they’re gone the year MY HUSBAND JOINS THE TEAM.”
“Despite the news about the updated black shorts, I am incredibly happy about this news! Can’t wait for the new season,” Mrs Bennett concluded.
Who knows, maybe a few Tour stages come July, and Sam will be able to convince his bosses to reinstate the brown shorts for 2025?
“Everyone thinks I’m absolutely mad, but if I don’t try I’ll never know”: Laura Kenny targets 2024 Paris Olympics return
Despite missing most of this Olympic cycle, Laura Kenny has confirmed that she is aiming to return to the boards in time to compete at next summer’s Paris Games, where she hopes to add to the five gold medals she’s achieved so far during one of track cycling’s most glittering careers.
Britain’s most successful female Olympian, Kenny suffered a miscarriage in 2021, before having surgery due to an ectopic pregnancy two months later. She gave birth to a second child, Monty, in July this year, and has not raced since the 2022 Commonwealth Games.
But, speaking as part of Team GB’s The Journey documentary series, the 31-year-old remains intent on making it to Paris next year.
“I obviously want to compete in the next Olympics,” Kenny said. “I know everyone thinks I’m absolutely mad in saying that, but if I don’t try, I’ll never know.
“I would hate to be sat here thinking, ‘well I never even gave it a go, to see whether I could make it possible’.”
(Alex Broadway, SWpix.com)
Kenny’s gold medal in the Madison alongside Katie Archibald at the 2021 Tokyo Olympics, along with her silver in the team pursuit, came after the birth of her first child, Albie, in 2017 – but Kenny knows that it won’t be easy to replicate such a comeback.
“The two different comebacks between Albie and Monty have been so different,” she said. “With Albie, I came back feeling like I had a point to prove, that you could be a mum and you could be an Olympic champion all at the same time.
“I think this time, I’ve come back for me. I’ve come back very much because I love riding my bike, and I cannot imagine it not being part of my life.
“I hope both children see their mum as someone who was determined to make things work. They will never have the burden of thinking ‘mum had me and then ended her career’, because I didn’t.
“I carried on, I made it work. I hope they look back and they can see that, and they can see that from the day they were born, they were part of the journey.”


(Alex Broadway, SWpix.com)
While Kenny’s coach Len Parker Simpson conceded that the seven-time world champion has a “mountain to climb” to earn her place in GB’s endurance squad and once again challenge for an Olympic medal – arguing that the current level of competition on the track is “streets ahead of where it was” – you wouldn’t put it past Kenny returning to the top once again… and maybe, just maybe equalling her husband Jason’s unsurpassed record of seven Olympic golds.
Now that would be a story.
“What a surprise that a lawyer is calling for more legislation and more opportunity to do loophole-picking”
I regret to inform you, ladies and gentlemen, that Nick ‘Mr Loophole’ Freeman has been at it again.
But, by the sounds of things, Jeremy Vine’s panel gave as good as it got, with one guest describing the lawyer’s latest cycling number plate appeal as the “worst idea anyone came up with”, while a caller branded it “completely daft and impractical”.
I’ll get the popcorn…


Tadej the torturer: Nathan Van Hooydonck reveals he had to record his Tour-best power numbers to follow Pogačar’s Champs-Élysées attack
Remember Tadej Pogačar’s attack on the Champs-Élysées during the final stage of this year’s Tour de France? You know, when the Slovenian cast aside the niceties of the race’s largely ceremonial romp through Paris, enraged the sprinters’ teams, once again ripped up the racing rulebook, and had fans everywhere fist pumping the air?
Well, Nathan Van Hooydonck certainly does.
Despite Pog languishing over seven minutes behind Jonas Vingegaard on GC – following his jour sans to Courchevel – the yellow jersey’s Jumbo-Visma teammate Van Hooydonck was still tasked with marking the team’s biggest rival on the boulevards of Paris.
And the UAE Team Emirates rider wasn’t hanging about, enjoying the architecture, as Van Hooydonck’s power numbers revealed after the stage.


Fancy taking a turn, Nathan? (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
The big Belgian domestique – who was forced to retire from the sport in September, at the age of 28, after being diagnosed with a cardiac arrhythmia following a car crash – told the De Rode Lantaarn podcast this week: “I couldn’t take turns when I was attacking with Tadej Pogačar on the Champs-Elysées. I tried and did it once, but that was to slow down and recover.
“I think I did my best 20-minute power numbers of the whole Tour in Tadej’s wheels.
“[Jumbo-Visma DS] Grischa Niermann said I was allowed to take turns. We had an advantage of seven minutes so we didn’t care about two minutes. I saw Tadej moving up with Jonas in my wheels. Jonas told me to follow him, but when I looked back he wasn’t there anymore.”
My legs hurt just thinking about it. And don’t worry Nathan, we’ve all done a turn purely designed to slow the pace down in the group at least once in our lives – just not with Tadej Pogačar, of course…
Cloned number plates warning as cyclist injured in hit-and-run “in limbo” 10 months on
A cyclist seriously injured in a hit-and run and his solicitor have warned of the dangers of motorists using vehicles with cloned plates to avoid accountability, making it more difficult for the police to trace.
Stephen Mead was left with fractures to his arm and leg after a head-on collision in Stotfold in Bedfordshire in January. He was wearing a hi-vis jacket and had lights on his bike at the time, with Irwin Mitchell solicitor Rita Alsoof saying it is “particularly distressing” that the driver’s vehicle was fitted with cloned plates, meaning he “fled the scene selfishly” and has not yet been traced.


> Cloned number plates warning as cyclist injured in hit-and-run “in limbo” 10 months on
Can’t wait for Mr Loophole’s next TV guest appearance about this… Should only be a matter of time, surely?
So, how’s your winter training going?
Treinando pra batalha do sprint! 🙃 pic.twitter.com/vC9QKsqS98
— BikeBlz (@BikeBlz) November 26, 2023
Vancouver cyclist sues city after crashing into a “dangerous concrete barrier” on an unlit cycle lane
They seem to enjoy placing obstacles on cycle lanes over in Canada, don’t they?
In September, we reported on the blog that the local authority in Saanich, a district and commuter town at the southern tip of Vancouver Island, came in for some scathing criticism from cyclist after it unveiled a brand-new protected bike lane – with a whacking great raised pedestrian crossing in the middle of it (a feature, more than a few riders noted, missing from the adjacent road).


And now, up the road in Vancouver itself (well, up the road in Canadian terms, which is 75 miles across the Strait of Georgia), a cyclist is suing the city for placing what she describes as a “dangerous” concrete barrier on an unlit section of a popular cycle lane, causing her to crash.
In a civil claim filed earlier this month, cyclist Karen Hansen says the positioning of the barrier, which appears to have been placed to force cyclists to make a left turn into Vancouver’s Stanley Park, was only marked by a small painted arrow and one sign right next to the obstacle.


Hansen was riding in the cycle lane on 11 August when, her lawsuit claims, “she suddenly and without warning struck an unlit, unmarked concrete barrier,” BIV reports.
She alleges that the collision caused her to suffer from headaches, blurred vision, a concussion, cognitive deficits, an elbow injury, a soft-tissue injury, neck pain, back pain, whiplash, emotional liability, psychological injuries, chronic pain, chronic fatigue, sleep deprivation, and other potential long-term effects.
“The injuries have caused and continue to cause the plaintiff pain, suffering, and loss of enjoyment of life,” the lawsuit says.
Hansen also claims the city, which is yet to file its response, is responsible for failing to make the cycle lane safe, and for failing to train its employees and contractors to properly plan, build, and maintain the bike lane and barrier.
Teachers say there has been a “seismic shift” in the number of children cycling to school in Oxford – and that bike racks are “overflowing” due to primary school run becoming “cycle central”
Some good news now (hurrah!) from Oxford, where teachers are waxing lyrical about the recent surge in the number of children cycling to school, described by two local Green Party councillors as a “quiet revolution”.
Writing in the Oxford Mail, Green councillors Lucy Pegg and Chris Jarvis say while there “has been a gradual uptick in walking and cycling to school in recent years… this academic year the change feels seismic”, with St Mary and St John Primary School (SSMJ) and Larkrise Primary in East Oxford witnessing a “huge increase” in the number of pupils and staff arriving by bike.
According to the councillors, the official School Streets programme at Larkrise, as well as SSMJ’s unofficial decision to ask parents to stop driving near the school, has made it safer for children to cycle, while the implementation of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods in the wider catchment areas have made walking, cycling, and wheeling the “default choice”.
“It’s much easier to get families starting in Reception to walk or cycle, than it is to persuade those who have got into the habit of driving to switch to active travel,” the councillors wrote. “With East Oxford’s streets feeling safe, this year’s reception intake have been empowered to walk and wheel to school.”
Meanwhile, teachers at the schools say the growth in cycling has meant that there is now an urgent need for more infrastructure, including bike racks, at the schools.
Ellie Armstrong, Deputy Headteacher at SSMJ, said: “We have a huge number of children cycling and walking to school. The last time we measured it was 82%, and I think it will be even higher now. This academic year, we’ve really run out of bike space for children, parents and for staff – and we’ve just ordered more stands.”
At Larkrise, where cycling and walking numbers have jumped from 65 to 85 percent in three years, the chair of governors Patrick Vale said: “Our bike racks have been overflowing since the start of the year. It’s excellent to see so much cycling – but our facilities haven’t caught up yet and we know we need more stands.”
“It’s absolutely incredible now to watch so many kids walking, scooting and cycling down the hill,” says mum-of-two Jane.
“The school gates used to be really stressful and dangerous with cars manoeuvring everywhere, and it feels such a lot calmer now. There’s so many different types of bike and trailer and the bike racks of all sizes are always crammed.”
More from the UK’s most ridiculed active travel scheme
The head of policy for car insurance and breakdown cover provider the RAC has declared it is “good to see common sense has prevailed” after an independent review recommended a “bizarre” seafront road layout, with a cycle lane and eye-catching wiggly lines, should be reversed and car parking restored.
Commenting to GB News, Simon Williams said common sense had “prevailed over the bizarre Clevedon seafront road scheme” and that “locals will now be celebrating that more people will be able to park and enjoy looking at the seas and the historic pier as well as visiting hospitality businesses”.
Ah yes, I love celebrating the ability to sit and look out at nature while I keep my car engine running. Bliss…


Read more: > Senior RAC figure hails “common sense has prevailed” as “bizarre” wiggly cycle lane to be removed
A winter training day in the life of Mathieu van der Poel (and Freddy Ovett)
Not jealous, not jealous at all (he says, while wearing three layers sitting in the office)…
Reader reaction: The UK’s most flooded cycle paths – and why shared infrastructure is not the solution
National Cycle Network 75: ‘We’re barely a cycle path anymore.’
Cycle path in Alverstone, on the Isle of Wight: ‘Hold my almost completely submerged bike’…


This ‘I can’t believe it’s a cycle path’ beauty, posted in the comments by GrumboNumber5, raises an important question: At what point does active travel infrastructure become a river?
Meanwhile, NCN 1 in Gravesend, submitted by Adam Sutton, looks absolutely delightful:


The dumped tyres are a nice touch.
Unsurprisingly, there was also plenty of reaction to our shouty shared path friend (as many of you noted that you’ve encountered similar opposition on such infrastructure), with an eagle-eyed HoarseMann pointing out, rather ironically, that the incident in London occurred right next to a road on which “no cycles, pedestrians, or animals” are allowed.
“I’ve had this situation a few times and I’m sure others here will have too,” said chrisonatrike.
“My overall take is ‘stop building shared use paths already!’. Not only does it lead to this (or ‘a bloody cyclist nearly crashed into me and then gave me a mouthful!’) but it’s baking in a very low limit to any growth in active travel.
“Shared use spaces may seem like a win in the UK where anything at all is still a minor miracle. And pedestrians and cyclists sharing are much safer than, for example, motor vehicles and cyclists sharing.
“However it’s not pleasant for either party once there are more than a handful of people using the space. Different modes need their own clearly marked spaces.
“Also, while there are some people who’re happy to threaten other strangers on the street – and they’re the problem – this video doesn’t make me smile. Once someone’s lost their cool, unfortunately trying to justify yourself means a zero-sum game with them. Education isn’t going to take place. I hope now I’d just stay cheerful and polite but essentially ignore and move on.”
“Why I stopped complaining about cyclists I once called menaces”: How a former anti-cycling journalist – who wanted bikes “banned friom the roads” – now wishes there were more cyclists, after going car-free
Here on the live blog, we’re well used to reading articles in the national press – usually penned by lethargic, uninspired journos frantically scrabbling around, hours before their deadline, for something that will generate a few clicks and keep the editor happy – deriding cyclists, for whatever reason sprung to their tired minds first.
While there have been far too many of these paint-by-numbers ‘Cyclists are horrible’ diatribes to keep count of over the years (Jake Wallis Simons must account for at least 100 of them by now), one still manages to stick out in the mind.
Back in 2015, Metro writer Yvette Caster wrote one of the more inflammatory of the hundreds of anti-cycling articles that have littered our screens, as she cobbled together a well-worn list of cliches and bingo comments under the headline ‘Cyclists are a menace and should be banned from the roads’.
Her rather insipid piece (despite its hell for leather headline) relied on tropes based on MAMILs, Lycra, red lights, and ‘speed demons’, while claiming people on bikes are “holding up traffic, causing accidents and generally being a total liability on the modern highway”, and even inspired a satirical response on road.cc.
> Bart Chan demolishes Metro columnist’s anti-cycling rant
Well, fast forward eight years, and it seems Caster – like Hank Williams before her – has seen the light.
Writing in the Guardian yesterday, she described the “caustic” backlash to her Metro article, during which “furious hordes accused me of stirring up hate, of encouraging reckless, criminal motorists and of indirectly putting cyclists in danger”.
“Cyclists who had been knocked off their bikes and people whose cycling relatives had been injured got in touch,” she wrote. “I was horrified but also convinced that most motorists were careful, sensible and well-meaning, so the accidents must have been tragic, rare, isolated incidents.
“Looking back now, I understand their rage better. I thought I’d thrown a stick on a campfire, but I’d poured petrol on an inferno. According to the Department for Transport, about 100 cyclists die on British roads every year. In 2022, 4,056 were seriously injured and 11,546 slightly injured.”
Those tight deadlines make it difficult to Google, I’ll give her that – but at least she’s found the DfT’s website now.
She continued:
When I wrote the piece, nowhere I had ever lived, which included cities across the country, seemed suited to cycling, and I, like my friends, viewed cyclists as eccentrics. I grew up in a remote country village with two buses a day: one into town, one out.
There were no pavements or bike lanes and no safe way to walk or cycle the eight miles to town – and there still isn’t. I could not understand why anyone would take the risk of cycling down windy country roads when 4x4s existed, or pedal through London, a place where everyone seemed to hate cyclists.
But my attitude changed during lockdown. There was no lightbulb moment – but suddenly the noise of the roads was gone. Cars were no longer important because we weren’t allowed to travel. In their absence, instead of traffic outside my window I heard birdsong. A strange kind of peace descended. Nature grew louder.
Caster claims her lockdown revelation inspired her, after it broke down, to give up her car and embrace public transport.
“I went from disliking cyclists to wishing there were more on the roads,” she added. “Looking at the article now, I know it was written by a thoughtless younger version of myself, putting clicks before people. I’ve come to appreciate those taking journeys that save us from pollution.
“I wish my town, and Britain, could repay cyclists’ and pedestrians’ efforts with an infrastructure to help them go everywhere, safely.
“Some friends still see cyclists as a nuisance. Others see me as odd for staying car-free… I’m even planning to try cycling. Just don’t ask me to wear Lycra.”


So is Yvette’s (somewhat) conversion enough to atone for her sins from 2015?
“I’m cynical,” says road.cc reader peted76 in the forum. “But I’ll take it and more turncoats just like her also please. A drop of goodwill towards cyclists in an ocean of hate.”
“I choose to believe the writer has in fact changed their outlook and is not simply jumping on another way of generating ‘clicks’,” added HoldingOn.
Maybe the road to Damascus was actually a cycle lane all along…
“Get on the f***ing road!” Angry pedestrian confronts cyclist for “riding on the pavement” – while standing in front of shared-use path sign
Like a football pundit handing out the Goal of the Season award in November, I may be a touch premature with what I’m about to say, but surely the following clip – showcasing a foul-mouthed, and ultimately ill-informed, anti-cycling rant about pavements – is already a classic of the admittedly grim genre.
Angry lady upset at cyclist for being on the pavement. pic.twitter.com/R5jxZRd3ni
— Cycling via… (@cyclingvia) November 25, 2023
If you just listened to the audio of the clip, posted by the London-based cycling account ‘Cycling via’ on X/Twitter, you may have assumed that Bob Mortimer was trying out a new character on Athletico Mince, or that Mrs Cohen from the Life of Brian had taken to wandering around the capital’s streets, berating cyclists.
Alas, no. This was simply just another case of a high-pitched pedestrian getting inconceivably angry about a person riding a bike on what she colourfully described as the “f***ing pavement”.
And, after being challenged by the cyclist on the other side of the crossing, she dutifully continued her rant – while standing just in front a sign which indicated that the pavement was, in fact, a shared-use path designed for both pedestrians and people on bikes.
Oh, the irony.
“Can’t be on the f***ing pavement. Get on the f***ing road,” our friendly pedestrian informed the cyclist.
“What does that sign say? That sign there? Look up!” the rider responded, probably not believing his luck that the evidence for his rebuttal was mere yards away.
Not that anything trivial such as a clear shared-use path sign mattered to Mandy Cohen, of course.
“You should be on the road. I don’t give a s***. Just go, just f*** off. I don’t give a f***ing s***, I’ll smash you in the face.”
Charming.
In the comments underneath the video, many were quick to allude to another intriguing aspect of the Schrödinger’s Cyclist theory.
“The same people who tell you to use a cycle path when you’re on the road,” Orpington Cyclist said.
“Oh absolutely,” the original poster, who described the incident as “funny more than anything”, replied. “Shouldn’t be on the road, there shouldn’t be cycle lanes and I shouldn’t be on the pavement. Some people are just full of hate and lack reason.”
He continued: “My hope is that she is too stubborn to admit to me she was wrong, but maybe she refrains from shouting abuse at others in the future now she knows she is wrong.”
I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one, if I’m honest…
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Oh sir! sir! Johnnys riding his bike without a helmet, he’s going to die when he falls off!, Yes what a silly boy he is ! Anyway jump in the car we’re going to be late for school and I hope no one gets in my way especially bleeding cyclists!! I wonder if AI will see what fools we are..
It's more about the nomex suit, car helmet and five point harnesses (with HANS), but "reply" ain't what it used to be...
'Gotten' ? The word is 'become', as in, I have become sick of seeing 'gotten'.
OK, all the stuff I said elsewhere on this thread in defence of helmets, I take it all back. I'd sooner be seen as an anti-lidder than be associated with that heap of steaming ordure.
Exactly my thoughts. A real shame, they're amazing bikes, same as Islabikes. Really sad to hear the news. Having said that, we probably didn't do enough to help them. My son had one Islabike and two Frogs, all second hand that we resold for about the same amount.
I couldn't agree more, and when we have all that everywhere I might think about leaving off the helmet, but until then if I have to share the road with huge fast-moving chunks of metal, many of them piloted by persons of limited intelligence and even less self control, I'm going to keep the lid, which even Burt agrees can "probably" offer some protection from injury.
And the irony is that helmet promotion and mandation kills lots of people and they don't reduce the death rate of cyclists. The benefits of cycling vastly outweigh the risks, and helmet promotion and mandation deter cycling (the only proven effect) so those deterred lose those benefits and die earlier.
I see Mont Pythons upper class twits have been replaced by male anti helmet twits who probably ride under 10000 km/year while wearing bike gloves, ladies bib capris, power meters to register the watts they dont produce ,gps because they are easily lost on a tiny island, a mobile phone to call the wifey in case the ride gets too hilly or wet or fast or windy, all while complaining their tushy hurts. They always ask for proof..you could crash a few times on purpose without and with a helmet and send us the pictures. Do pros complain about helmets?..if you rode in a country with sun you would know that styrofoam actually keeps your head cool.. Ps ice hockey players say they dont need mouthguards..ask them to smile
If it saves one life...
Pro cyclists wear helmets as it is mandated. Before it was mandated, very few wore them. Infrastructure, separation, 20 mph, traffic calming are far more important.


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37 thoughts on ““Get on the f***ing road!” Angry pedestrian confronts cyclist for “riding on the pavement” – while standing in front of shared-use path sign; National Cycle Network or cyclocross course?; “Why I stopped complaining about cyclists” + more on the live blog”
reason #241 why shared use
reason #241 why shared use paths are a waste of space
ranty sweary woman wrote:
Just to add another way in which she is completely wrong, he already is on the road, just as she is.
On the other hand, I have had
On the other hand, I have had a driver aim his car at me and berate me for being on the road instead of using a shared path.
Shouty pedestrian needs to be
Shouty pedestrian needs to be roasted by the police for her offensive language and public order offences, including threatening behaviour. What a total moron and a danger to others. Imagine if you were sharing that space with children and had to endure her ranty BS. A truly appalling person on display.
But surely shouty woman is
But surely shouty woman is just following the tone set by the government? Calling out cyclists and their “woke” ways, constantly attacking proper, british, law abiding folks?
I worry she and lots like her all have a vote…
ymm wrote:
I think enough police have been in trouble for that sort of thing without you encouraging them.
Heh. We love Derby.
Heh. We love Derby.
https://twitter.com/tandemkate/status/1729227851973689662
“You should be on the road. I
“You should be on the road. I don’t give a s***. Just go, just f*** off. I don’t give a f***ing s***, I’ll smash you in the face.”
sarcasm and wit not dead then
This is part of NCN 1 in
This is part of NCN 1 in Gravesend. Liable to flood in heavy rain, liable to catch a puncture if you are not careful too. Just beyond this it is a footpath that is not much wider than your handlebars.
At the moment though, there is a diversion on the road, as for over year it has been blocked with dumped tyres on an epic scale.
Just found I had a shot of
Just found I had a shot of further along when flooded.
Nice
Nice
Yeah. It is a shame as
Yeah. It is a shame as further on NCN 1 goes along the Thames and Medway canal path, which while a bit rough is a nice ride. And it then joins onto NCN 179 which is a loop around the Hoo peninsula, quite a nice ride on quiet roads. When I was a bit more energetic it was my go to Sunday 35ish mile ride.
I do love a good post
I do love a good post-apocalyptic / warzone tourism-style NCN segment. (Or not.)
Fly-tipping is not uncommon but the very fact that the Notional Cycle Network uses every narrow glass-strewn back alley / cut through wasteground covered in nettles* means this is much more likely to happen. Also much less likely to get fixed. It’s not always clear who actually *owns* these spaces or who to address issues to.
* Clearly a desperate attempt to make useable routes. I’m torn between admiration that this was made to happen at all and vexation that some charity (Sustrans, hmm…) had to do this. In the UK the idea of cycle routes that would actually go fairly directly between places people want to go isn’t a thing in most places. That would mean making space where the main roads go. Which would involve years of planning and consultation / actual expense (greater than paths although much less than roads) / troubling people currently using the roads.
What is frustrating here, is
What is frustrating here, is that there is a huge amount of development going on. This would be easy to integrate decent infrastructure from the get-go, but it just hasn’t happened. The solution has been to simply slap a shared use sign on the pavements. Add to this though on the actual roads traffic calming measures have been implemented that arguable make it more dangerous for cyclists to use the road, creating pinch points and priority/giveway points that encourage close passes.
Adam Sutton wrote:
Absolutely – and often contrary to their stated policies.
It would be great if we could stealthily improve new infra (avoiding shouty conflict) with each (re)development. It’s vexing we don’t.
With our councils it may just be that there isn’t actually really anyone in charge of the bigger picture. Just individuals in individual departments, mostly doing what they were doing before.
Is “planning” at a national level something which could help push things forward? In the unlikely event of a new government taking active travel / transport change seriously…
I’ve had people shout at me
I’ve had people shout at me for being on the pavement when standing next to blue ‘shared-use’ signs, too. But they’ve always been a bit less sweary…
Not been shouted at, but my
Not been shouted at, but my main commute route you have a choice of a cycle lane aka murder strip along a dual carriageway that is often full of debris or the pavement that has been made shared use on one side.
On a local facebook group someone was moaning about cyclists using the pavement rather than the cycle lane. When I shared video of the state of it he became quite understanding. The following day he shared a photo from his walk earlier of a roadsweeper on the route. I’d like to hope our back and forth got noticed by someone on the council who felt a bit guilty!
If we think Mrs Shouty sweary
If we think Mrs Shouty sweary is bad just imagine what her kids might be like.
Imagine how brave would be
Imagine how brave would be the guy having kids with her.
I feel a little bad though, as she obviously needs some kind of help. This kind of denial and rage exceeds the not rare anti-cyclist hate.
Imagine being one of her kids
Imagine being one of her kids if, despite the odds of genetic lottery being stacked against you, and the poor quality of your upbringing, you turned out not to be a bogan yourself.
RE “Get on the f***ing road!”
RE “Get on the f***ing road!”: I’ve had this situation a few times and I’m sure others here will have too.
My overall take is “stop ‘building’ shared use paths already!”. Not only does it lead to this (or “a bloody cyclist nearly crashed into me and then gave me a mouthful!”) but it’s baking in a very low limit to any growth in active travel.
Shared use spaces may seem like a win in the UK where anything at all is still a minor miracle. And pedestrians and cyclists sharing are (without having detailed statistics – which we should be collecting more carefully…) much safer than e.g. motor vehicles and cyclists sharing.
However it’s not pleasant for either party once there are more than a handful of people using the space (see the differences with the gold standard e.g. NL here). The ones I make use of work in inverse proportion to the number of people using them. A sunny holiday will see a ton of people out ambling – and why not – with dog walkers, people walking three or four abreast (because they’re humans). Getting about on the bike becomes a pain and I’d be the bad person.
Different modes need their own – clearly marked – spaces.
Also – while there are some people who’re happy to threaten other strangers on the street – and they’re the problem – this video doesn’t make me smile. Once someone’s lost their cool unfortunately trying to justify yourself means a zero-sum game with them. Education isn’t going to take place. I hope now I’d just stay cheerful and polite but essentially ignore and move on.
Unfortunately you are talking
Unfortunately you are talking common sense, but we are stuck with shared paths as part of our active travel infrastructure, both now and going forward.
This is an ongoing problem on the canal towpaths which I like to use and there is not usually a convenient sign to point to.
Cycloid wrote:
Agreed – it seems that way. It doesn’t have to be though. Everything’s an unrealistic pipe dream that “won’t happen here”. Until it’s “the new thing” and shortly after that just “how it is”.
People interested in having more cycling, walking and wheeling (or simply less journeys driven) should be making this point every time some council puts up a blue and white “walking and cycling” sign or even opens a “traffic free shared path” and exclaims “Look! We built cycling infra!”
I suspect ignorance is much of the reason. Most in the UK simply don’t know what they don’t know. Why would they? Not sure anyone alive can remember when we had mass cycling here. Those few who cycle already have accepted cycling on the roads – which the vast majority are extremely unlikely to while motor traffic there is as present. Those “I’m a cyclist myself” types who go out for a few weekend pootles on the “off road infra” in the summer won’t know either.
We should copy what genuinely works. (It’s best to copy something that still works well when it is sucessful – or it never will be…)
Cycloid wrote:
Hmm… glad you have ones that work for you. However except for not being full of motor vehicles and being flat most canal towpaths are exactly the opposite of what we need from cycle infra. Generally by design they have built in hazards (falling in, bollards of the tying-up-to kind, surfaces like cobbles and mud, people fishing) and impediments (low bridges). To this we’ve added barriers /gates.
They don’t go directly between “places”. They are normally narrow and often have zero potential for expansion (because built between buildings / see “tunnels and aqueducts”) and are “historic” (more issues with development). They’re also in demand by pedestrians (being flat, quiet spaces) but frequently lack social safety (see here also). A related point – they’re frequently at low points in the landscape / between buildings so you can’t see where you are or you’re going (the “Milton Keynes cycling ditch” situation).
EDIT – Interesting article here with several different canal path users musing on this.
That old Brexit bag was a bit
That old Brexit bag was a bit OTT (and yes, of course she voted Brexit) I had one similar to that recently though no rude words or threats. When I pointed out to the man in question it was shared use he immediately apologised and said words to the effect – my mistake, sorry.
Those kinds of shouty anti
Those kinds of shouty anti-cyclists always reminds me of Burroughs’ “The Cat Inside”
As a doggist I must read that
As a doggist I must read that book. Yeah I’m prejudiced about dogs, some are OK, but they aren’t moggies. Get over it.
The cycle path that runs past
The cycle path that runs past Alverstone on the Isle of Wight is horrific for flooding.
This was posted on the CycleWight group page a couple of weeks ago, the worst I’ve seen
Isn’t there a saying on the
Isn’t there a saying on the Isle of Wight, with regards directions: if you hit water, you’ve gone too far.
Clearly gone too far there…
Hansen also claims the city
Hansen also claims the city is responsible for failing to make the cycle lane safe, and for failing to train its employees and contractors to properly plan, build, and maintain the bike lane and barrier.
They can’t all have been British can they?
Was Yvette Caster’s
Was Yvette Caster’s conversion from yet another anti-cycling journo to sense on the road to Damascus?
Not only is that a shared use
Not only is that a shared use pavement, but cycling on the road is actually forbidden there too!
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZoTHuFCGvY86iWZGA
Getting caught may have
Getting caught may have taught him a lesson, and for now he’s not doing it
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/28/driving-while-distracted-is-a-truly-dumb-way-to-die-hopefully-ive-learned-my-lesson
And he’s now noticing how others are very distracted.
ktache wrote:
Doesn’t seem to be terribly penitent. It’s more like “yeah, I got caught” followed by “there are so many distractions” and “gosh – look at all those other people driving awfully”.
Baby steps though, he says he’s put the phone down.
I am a huge fan of the
I am a huge fan of the National Cycle Network, just like Motorways they show me exactly where I would be crazy to ride. .
That blue sign is too high up
That blue sign is too high up, how do they expect the sharers to know it is a shared path?
Lower down than the green man
Lower down than the green man but she saw that fine…