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Rendel Harris 42 minutes ago
@SecretSam That's not really fair, in fact not fair at all. It wasn't his fault that the last two mountain stages were shortened and on the first one he had dropped everyone and was a minute clear as he summitted the Iseran when the stage was neutralised, and on the second he stayed with or dropped all the other GC contenders. You seem to have forgotten his Giro win as well as Paris Nice and the Tour de Suisse. Only the fourth rider to have won the Tour and Giro before the age of twenty-five. Yes he probably couldn't have stayed with Pogacar even if he hadn't had the awful crash, and probably nor could any other rider in history except perhaps Merckx.
Mr Blackbird 2 hours ago
@lesterama Bernal has had two whammys. His crash, which he has probably never fully recovered from and Ineos taking a nosedive. They have no focus and no identity.
No Reply 2 hours ago
@Zermattjohn Read the comment I posted about my experience
No Reply 2 hours ago
I bought some Challenge Strada tyres. After a while the sidewalls began to detach from the tyre and the tread became rippled making them unsafe to use. The shop I bought them from asked me to drop them in and he would show the Challenge rep as he was due in the following week. The rep bizarrely firstly claimed that the tyres had failed because they may have been punctured (they hadn’t), then immediately claimed that they had failed because the rear tyre was more worn than the front! I emailed pictures to Challenge and was told they had failed because they had been fitted incorrectly. The black strip they had introduced to stop the issue I had was supposed to be above the rim. Which it clearly was shown to be correct on the pictures I sent to them which proved that the tyres were correctly fitted. This seems to be the norm now in the cycle industry, if there is an issue with a product, the company automatically blames the end user rather than look to address the issue, thereby pissing the customer off. A pissed off customer rarely returns.
eburtthebike 2 hours ago
@kingleo And there are hundreds, if not thousands of people holding up a shattered helmet saying it saved their life, the doctor/policeman told me.
Jj1234 3 hours ago
I spend a month most years in China because of family, and a cargo bike there with an electric motorbike style front end and either LFP or advanced lead acid batteries, costs under £100 and is the backbone of every trade. There are a hundred different kinds but what they share in common is functionality and cheapness. Even the ancient pedal pulled wooden wagons with literally welded spokes from the sixties have been electrified with e-motors attached to the underside - and they cost sod all. In China cheap transport for business is a public good like drinking water. Because to get people to work you have to make work affordable. That's a secret of capitalism we in the UK could do better to learn.
vw_mtbiker 5 hours ago
@Zermattjohn handmade genuinely means handmade with Challenge. You cannot compare ride quality of a mass produced, vulcanized Panaracer tyre with these. The ride quality is incredibly supple, and can transform a riding experience. More expensive yes, but worth every penny!
Surreyrider 5 hours ago
@SecretSam 2019 Tour (don't see anyone else putting their hand up to say they won it), 2021 Giro, 2019 Paris-Nice, 2019 Tour de Suisse, 2018 Tour of California. So I'd say Lesterama is about right with his burned bright comment.
mitsky 5 hours ago
"Over 1,000 dockless bikes seized in Westminster The authority said the bikes would continue to be removed where they caused an obstruction, with operators charged for their return." Would love to know how many motor vehicles were removed (and their "operators" charged for their return) for the same reason. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84g1x0g0d42o
Rendel Harris 5 hours ago
@OnYerBike Thanks for the interesting article link (table below for any interested), as you say it does show that the top 10% of pros manage 4.63 w/kg over four hours, but that only extrapolates to 325W if the rider is 70kg, and of course a lot of them are well below that, e.g. Vinegaard 60kg so his power over four hours would be more like 279W at that w/kg. Note also that the average for the bottom 90% is "only" 3.83 w/kg, so the average 68kg (World Tour average weight) rider in that cohort would be putting out 260W over four hours. So I'd still argue that across the average of the peleton, with 10% capable of about 325W over four hours and the other 90% about 260W, a figure for the whole peleton of around 280-290W would be more realistic.
18 thoughts on “Live blog: Climb for Costa update, Froome and Uran hit the dancefloor, catching the bus Dafne Fixed style + more”
Given their pricing I think
Given their pricing I think the idea is a DOA. £1 unlock + 20p a minute. £5 for a small journey – bargain!
Just get a bike.
Those e scooters were
Those e scooters were featured on BBC R4 news yesterday, quite an extended piece, detailing all the environmental benefits etc; longer than they have spent discussing the overwhelming greater benefits of cycling in the past thirty years. The BBC apparently has a blanket ban on even mentioning the incredible benefits of cycling, and the recent phone in on the You and Yours prog barely mentioned them, only when callers said how good they had been.
Given the overwhelming benefits of cycling, congestion, pollution, health, obesity etc, one might think that it would be front and centre of any item about those subjects, but it is never mentioned by the BBC. If anything else had half the benefits of cycling, they would be all over it 24/7/365.
The rest of the media is barely any better.
Crocs yes, but where are the
Crocs yes, but where are the pink pyjamas?!!!
Cue the usual late middle
Cue the usual late middle aged men braying about what people should be doing.
One less person on a toxic fume emitting mode of transport is good by me. I have no problem with the scooterers I’ve come across on the roads. Leave your crab in a bucket mentality alone and mob up with potential allies against the death cage lobby instead.
roadmanshaq wrote:
Which scooterers were these, considering they are illegal to use on the road?
Wait until someone kills an OAP on the pavement then you can talk about ‘death scoots’ instead of ‘death cages’ . There’s nothing fundamentally dangerous about cars…..unless you don’t control them properly. Same difference.
You’ll never win against the ‘death cage’ lobby anyway. It’s a multi-billion pound industry. Scooters….not so much.
It think the most telling part of scootering is you look like a bellend. Maybe if you’re one of radical kids that pop barspins and 360 on normal manual ones. Being a cyclist puts you into a lower social grouping so god knows what using a scooter does to you unless you’re a hipster.
Yorkshire wallet wrote:
What a load of garbage. Cars and other motor vehicles kill thousands a year via fumes and particulates alone. You’re just completely ignorant of basic environmental health and there is no point continuing a chat with someone so clearly proud of being a blustering, anti intellectual fool.
roadmanshaq wrote:
Considering that one of the complaints often used against cyclists is “bl00dy stupid adults playing on their toys”, with a failure to see bicycles as a valid form of non “toxic fume emitting mode of transport” and with a commensurate loss of status as a road user, exactly how far down the ladder do you think using an e-scooter will put you?
And, as YW rightly says, how long until some e-scooterer knocks someone down (whether or not its their fault) and the Tabloid Hounds are let loose on them…??
brooksby wrote:
Thinking that you’re ever going to win the public argument by appeasement is the worst fallacy there is. The suffragettes and civil Rights movement didn’t get their way by meekly soliciting the media’s OK and only a fool would think that method would work re rididng our society of the tyranny of the death cage.
roadmanshaq wrote:
Considering that one of the complaints often used against cyclists is “bl00dy stupid adults playing on their toys”, with a failure to see bicycles as a valid form of non “toxic fume emitting mode of transport” and with a commensurate loss of status as a road user, exactly how far down the ladder do you think using an e-scooter will put you?
And, as YW rightly says, how long until some e-scooterer knocks someone down (whether or not its their fault) and the Tabloid Hounds are let loose on them…??
— roadmanshaq Thinking that you’re ever going to win the public argument by appeasement is the worst fallacy there is. The suffragettes and civil Rights movement didn’t get their way by meekly soliciting the media’s OK and only a fool would think that method would work re rididng our society of the tyranny of the death cage.— brooksby
Excuse me?
My point, I think, was that many people already think that cycling is too dangerous and wouldn’t dream of cycling in with motor traffic, so how many people do you think would want to mix it with motor traffic on a scooter (even one with a LiOn battery for a motor)?
My other point was that cyclists=”evil runners down of poor pedestrians” in some corners of the media, and that all that vitriol would come crashing down on e-scooterists too as soon as there was the slightest hint of “Oh, well they nearly run me down, they did!”.
And as a final point, though I do take on board that we need to get people out of their cars, I’m still umming about e-bikes at present (got buzzed by one on my non-electric bike recently) so e-scooters are for me a bit of a step too far.
Final, final point, is that I’m really not sure that campaigning for cycling infrastructure or for alternatives to the motor car is truly comparable to the suffragettes or the civil rights movement. I understand the analogy, but…
brooksby wrote:
— brooksbyGiven that you exhibit complete ignorance of the harm caused by motor vehicles in pollution and maiming of normal people in their thousands, every year, I will not sweat your small minded Benedict Arnold chasing down of ebike riders and scooterers.
Get your priorities right.
roadmanshaq wrote:
Don’t be a middle aged brayer telling people what to do, mob up with the potential allies against the death cage lobby instead, and then tell people what to do.
These scooters have been
These scooters have been noted to have been left in really awkward places where they’ve been deployed in the states – partially blocking pavements, right next to crossings, and on street corners, for a few examples.
At least with these, they’re going to be a shape and size where I can easily chuck them out of my path if they’re in the way of my wheelchair – Obikes etc are way too bloody heavy, I usually end up just shoving them aside.
I have no problem with them in principle – anything to help bridge that last-mile gap and coax people out of cars – but like bloody sodding sandwich boards, if they’re taking up pavement in such a way as to present a navigational hazard to MI and VI pedestrians, then they shouldn’t be there and should be removed, before somebody either gets hurt or, ehem, accidentally damages them with their wheelchair.
Plenty of people in London on
Plenty of people in London on scooters of all sorts, skates, rollerblades, skateboards and even electric skateboards, all just getting on with it. Law needed to change ages ago. Anything that gets people out of their short-distance car journeys.
General Motors competition –
General Motors competition – I name this bike, “Fugly”
I think they need seatbelts,
I think they need seatbelts, airbags, numberplates, riders to wear helmets and Sa-vile’s wardrobe… then yes.
Actually, having not seen them i may be wrong, but the thing that would concern me is the wheels. Are they big enough to tackle the average pavement…
“GM are branching out and
“GM are branching out and have developed a folding e-bike… and presumably after a creative block in the boardroom they’re now asking members of the public to give them a hand naming it.”
Has “Too lazy to walk” been taken?
I do not think brooksby is
I do not think brooksby is ignorant of any of the things that you accuse him of there, perhaps you should read some of his other posts.
I also don’t think that the legality for escooters sits anywhere close to votes for women or the removal of the Jim Crow laws.
Segways never managed to be legal, nor did the hoverboard craze, these escooter people had better have very deep pockets, the Tory party don’t come very cheap.
Yes because you’re a fool –
Yes because you’re a fool – he literally claimed ‘cars do no harm’ in this same page ignoring the deaths and injuries caused by air pollution.
I have a right to not choke on toxic fumes and die a premature death, how about you start sticking up for yourself instead of rolling over for the death cagers like a tame dog. Scooterers are allies against the institutional ruination of our breathing gases.