The Reform Party and the UK’s lurch towards fascism

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    David9694

    I posted an earlier version of this a while back – inspired to do update following THAT discussion about all things ULEZ. 

    The “manifesto”, in terms of transport, only mentions stopping HS2, but there’s plenty on the usual right-wing obsessions: Brexit, immigration, veterans and climate change.  I had another look because I worry about the ongoing decline of the two main political parties. 

    If the Cons stay wedded to Brexit, then we will go into the next GE with all the widespread impoverishment Brexit has ushered in – not helped by Covid, Putin, etc. People generally vote according to their pockets.  I don’t get Labour’s current position on Europe either, but let’s see how that evolves, and even the Cons may also evolve, or even pivot, but time is already running out for them.

    Several roads now lead to the horrors of a further lurch to the right in this country.  Let’s hope Labour get the GE landslide the polls are predicting – but we’re still at least a year out from the real campaigning beginning. 

    A cycling angle? With the Reform Party and its ilk, Facebook Steve and Nextdoor Dave attain real political influence. It’s not spelt out in the manifesto, but you can see where this is probably heading and what it is likely to mean for cycling.  You can bet that this lot are very much “on the side of hard working drivers” etc. 

    As you all know, Dave’s going to “sort the traffic” and no doubt show them lazy planners how it’s done: Steve thinks the Council are corrupt, the police blinkered and is, if he can fit it in to his busy schedule he’s going to “teach them Lycra’s a thing or two.” It won’t concern him that his Mondeo is 3 months out of MoT or that Mrs Steve sometimes drives the kids in it uninsured. 

    As vulnerable road users, vulnerable people, we rely a great deal on the rule of law for protection. The rule of law means that we understand what the laws are, they are in general fair, and how they are applied and to whom is even-handed and consistent. 

    The fascist position is broadly the opposite – it’s all off-the-cuff to support today’s particular agenda – that’s why the Iain Duncan-Smith “happy to see ULEZ infra vandalised” comment is, as an example, so very worrying.  In the Conservatives, here is a party happy to send signals to enable the mob to attack RNLI stations, beat up immigrants, shout at teachers, doctors etc. 

    This right-wing stuff works by allowing/enabling significant privileged groups to to think of themselves as the downtrodden underdog and here is a way to fight back.  The pro Brexit campaign played on people’s ignorance, fears and prejudices exactly as this does. 

    It’s all about freedom, innit, less regulation, less tax burden, and damn the climate.  There’s more polar bears now, so it’s fine.  Let’s have open-cast coal mining, lithium mining and fracking. The section on climate change stumbles around like a Friday night drunk, trying to explain he wasn’t being racist to the barman – a denier position emerges, unsurprisingly.

    In places, the mask really slips: “We must keep divisive woke ideologies such as Critical Race Theory (CRT) and gender ideology out of the classroom.” – to be honest, I don’t even know what those two are.

    The standard enemies are put up – the civil service, the BBC.  Amid all the thrust and parry, there’s nothing  about making a better, more inclusive and cohesive world to live in; arts, sports and culture don’t feature in this barstool view of the world: a dullard’s grim vision.

    Don’t be a member of the wrong sort of minority would be my advice, should any of this come to pass. 
     

    https://www.reformparty.uk/reformisessential

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    David9694

    Rejoiner Boris!  Gonna say it

    Rejoiner Boris!  Gonna say it again, Starmer seems want to be a one term only Labour PM, by sticking to the Brexit decision. 

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    David9694
    mdavidford wrote:
    Officials are being obstructive by refusing to magic money out of thin air to spaff on political appointments:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kz127pj3o

    I enjoyed the whacking-up of the Mayor’s allowance in Scarborough mentioned in that article and in particular that the Leader knew nothing about it. 

    https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/politics/council/scarborough-town-council-faces-scrutiny-over-600-increase-in-mayors-allowance-5230029

    https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/farage-reform-mayor-scarborough-video-b2792387.html

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    chrisonabike
    David9694 wrote:
    I’ll raise see your oversimplification (about England) and raise you a stereotype – if you look at the map, it’s a story of ignorance and isolation; rather sad actually.  In London (Oxford, Cambridge, other nice spots) you are connected and informed and vote Remain.  

    Fair – and we know the margins were small at the large scale.  And 38% of the voters chose “leave” in Scotland overall, only slightly lower than London (40% I believe).  I think the more you slice and dice though the more the differences (Southeast of Gretna) stand out.

    I agree that “ignorance and isolation” are not geographically limited though.

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    chrisonabike

    Mr Blackbird wrote:

    Mr Blackbird wrote:
    […]Farage, Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Michael Gove. However, they all expected to lose the Brexit poll and gain Eurosceptic prominence. The leave vote caught them all on the back foot because they had to do a lot of negotiation work and go through the motions of pretending there were lots of trade deals opportunities. It was all at the expense of the UK electorate.

    Wasn’t the point of the *original* Brexit vote to sort out the apparently small but troublesome group of Brexiteers in the party and shore up David Cameron’s authority, plus possibly appearing to throw a bone to the “swivel eye loons ” in the party membership?

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-truth-about-david-cameron-and-the-mad-swivel-eyed-loons/

    After that, the rest was just backstabbing…

    I think Farage was happy all the way (particularly getting EU expenses and perks to go and barrack the EU).

    And the final vote may have been at the expense of the electorate and buyers remorse etc. but by the rules the people who did bother to vote *did* vote to leave, for whatever reason. The UK voting map showed it pretty clearly – England almost all for exit, Wales mostly so, NI mostly remain, Scotland entirely remain…

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

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    chrisonabike

    mdavidford wrote:

    mdavidford wrote:

    Officials are being obstructive by refusing to magic money out of thin air to spaff on political appointments:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kz127pj3o


    Why, they’ll be saying “we didn’t know the finances were this bad until we got into power” next! 😉

    In the case of the populist parties (here and elsewhere) that may work for quite some time – or at least be credible with many of those who voted for them. Their version of “due to x years of Tory cuts / Labour overspending …”

    But at some point they’ll need a counter to “you allege waste / conspiracy but the fact is you simply lack basic governing competence / haven’t troubled to read publicly available financial data”. And “either have no idea of the parameters of the system or ‘Reform’ is a misnomer – you can’t achieve what you promise without revolution and those often lead to chaos and horror”.

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    Rendel Harris
    60somethingcyclist wrote:
    Maybe they’d be more well-disposed towards us if they know that Hitler was a cyclist-messenger in WW1!

    Then again maybe not when they find out he hated it (he wanted something much more glam and in keeping with his self image) and was generally anti-cyclist in his policies thereafter.

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    Rendel Harris
    60somethingcyclist wrote:
    Well Johnson, Mogg and Gove’s political careers are now over. 

    Please touch wood, cross your fingers etc – I read quite recently that Johnson’s friends have been saying that while he’s not actively considering a return “he’s keeping a watching brief and waiting to see if anything falls into his lap [apart from a few blondes and bribes of course]”. Given the astonishingly bad fist Badenoch’s making of the job and the lack of credible replacements I wouldn’t put it past the Tories to ask him back and sadly I wouldn’t put it past the electorate to fall for his schtick again.

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    biking59boomer

    Well Johnson, Mogg and Gove’s

    Well Johnson, Mogg and Gove’s political careers are now over. As for Farage, I think his prospects depend on how well Reform do in local government. So far I’d say that he’s got reason to be worried.

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    biking59boomer

    Maybe they’d be more well

    Maybe they’d be more well-disposed towards us if they know that Hitler was a cyclist-messenger in WW1!

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    mdavidford

    Officials are being

    Officials are being obstructive by refusing to magic money out of thin air to spaff on political appointments:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kz127pj3o

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    Mr Blackbird

    Yes indeed.
    Yes indeed.
    Of course the main purpose of Brexit was to further the careers of Farage, Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Michael Gove. However, they all expected to lose the Brexit poll and gain Eurosceptic prominence. The leave vote caught them all on the back foot because they had to do a lot of negotiation work and go through the motions of pretending there were lots of trade deals opportunities. It was all at the expense of the UK electorate.

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    Adam Sutton

    David9694 wrote:

    David9694 wrote:

    Ah, but they will, because it’s all about the boats now. Nevermind Brexit was supposed to fix that, but illegal immigration actually increased post Brexit. Good ol’ Nige is promising to close the borders. Give that grifter some of your hard earned!

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    David9694

    Warwickshire’s Reform leaders

    Warwickshire’s Reform leaders meet with Bilton School and ‘agree they will hold assembly on British culture and values’

    “We recommended to the school that they should go further than an apology and should organise a whole school assembly on the importance of British Culture and Values, a recommendation I am delighted to hear has been accepted and will be taking place when students return in September.”

    https://www.warwickshireworld.com/news/people/warwickshires-reform-leaders-meet-with-bilton-school-and-agree-they-will-hold-assembly-on-british-culture-and-values-5232060

    Friday 18 July was to have been the last (half) day that pupils were in school, and now school’s out ’til September. The second part of the unread letter is being downplayed and the phrase “point blank” strikes me as a Dad expression. 

    She’s has had her 15 minutes of fame this week, and I hope that’s going to be an end to it now. I don’t see how it can be in her interests or anyone else’s to return to it in September – let’s now get everybody focused on the schoolwork. 

    https://cdn.road.cc/wp-content/uploads/roadcc/IMG_6625_0.jpeg

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    David9694

    Will somebody please think of

    Will somebody please think of the slave owners 

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    chrisonabike

    David9694 wrote:

    David9694 wrote:
    Gonna say it again – Brexit has made the UK poorer, and here’s the grating sound of that poverty in action.

    OBR still agrees, as does the National Institute for Economic and Social Research and (considering impacts broadly) the BBC.

    I do wonder just how that stands in relation to “events” (things we have made less choice about) e.g. Covid, war in Ukraine, conflicts in Middle East *, the US suddenly playing a more overt “we need to look after number 1” game plus their strategy of “act crazy” destabilising things.

    But there must also be overall “problems of success” (measured over decades).  Certainly some things are always being cut / not invested in, and people feel poor (a relative measure…).  But … we have strain on our health systems because more people are continuing to live longer.  AND we have higher standards – more things we can fix, or fix better – which always is at cost of more resources.  Same goes for much else – relative to other places and the past (on the order of decades) we almost all have a more resource-rich lifestyle.  And we expect more from our other systems (housing, justice, transport …)

    Some of the above may be reflected in why people want to come here…

    * Not sure the economic effects of major African / Asian ones like in Sudan, D.R. Congo, Myanmar etc. – but I think we’re not paying towards them.

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