[David9694]

A new catch-all Tea Shop thread for those miscellaneous new stories that don’t quite fit with parking, crashing into buildings or trapped/prisoners in their homes. 

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[chrisonabike]

We usually don’t know or care
We usually don’t know or care where the oil came from. We’ll be even less interested in how those electrons got pushed down the cable.

Anyway – that’s antisocial parking. All four wheels on the narrow street!

BTW on those cables – cycling and cycle infra is an impediment and danger to those with disabilities – and indeed pedestrians, I hear…

https://therantyhighwayman.blogspot.com/2022/05/the-amazing-electricity-trickery.html

[David9694]

What fresh hell is this

What fresh hell is this invading my Facebook feed? 

Where do those wires lead back to? 

[Bungle_52]

It has happened. Here’s a

It has happened. Here’s a link to one example :

https://road.cc/content/news/speeding-driver-who-killed-cyclist-jailed-four-years-306557

I have felt for a long time that the CPS were accepting careless far too easily and it’s nice to have a judge confirming this. The reasons are obvious as it saves a lot of work for the CPS who presumably can’t afford to employ the best barristers and it thus takes a lot of risk out of the court case, especially with some seemingly gullible judges (not this one by the sound of it) and easily led juries.

[Hirsute]

Judge criticises CPS

Judge criticises CPS

A driver who was twice the alcohol limit and deliberately ran over a pedestrian “used his car as a weapon” a judge has said. Also driving whilst banned.

“I question why the Crown accepted this plea – ‘surprising’ is the most diplomatically way I can put it.”

“I cannot sentence him on the basis that he used the car as a weapon because of what the prosecution have done.”

CPS had accepted a plea of causing serious injury from careless driving, instead of causing serious injury from dangerous driving.

Just what do you have to do for it to be dangerous ?

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/24220146.essex-man-ran-victim-argument-avoids-jail/

 

[David9694]

Plans to ban cars from north

Plans to ban cars from north stretch of Deal High Street put on hold as Kent County Council raises safety concerns

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/it-s-not-safe-and-would-kill-high-street-businesses-304135/

There wasn’t space to say what the safety concerns were. 

[David9694]

Reader’s letter: Don’t remove

Reader’s letter: Don’t remove Worcester High Street PSPO

We have cyclists in the city who stick to the rules of the road and we have a significant number of cyclists who don’t.

https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/24205402.readers-letter-dont-remove-worcester-high-street-pspo/?dicbo=v2-zur30Mi

wait ’til Michael hears about cars

[David9694]

ah, the plucky motorist, the

ah, the plucky motorist, the little man, fights the giants at city hall

Hereford man’s parking fine spirals as he fights on ‘for justice’

https://www.herefordtimes.com/news/24219856.hereford-mans-parking-fine-spirals-fights-for-justice/

[andystow]

hawkinspeter wrote:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/driver-ignores-bridge-closure-signs-9196105

A car crashed on the M48 Severn Bridge this afternoon after a driver foolishly ignored signs indicating that the bridge was closed. High wind speeds forced officials to close the bridge between Bristol and Wales this afternoon, Thursday, March 28, but that one driver decided that the closure did not apply to them and attempted to make the crossing anyway.

Meanwhile, in Baltimore…

Baltimore officials are in a frenzy as the Francis Scott Key Bridge has collapsed after being hit by a cargo ship. Search and rescue efforts are underway to locate people who might have fallen into the water during the collapse, and a key thoroughfare to the second busiest port on the eastern seaboard has been severed. But none of this has stopped people in cars who just need to get where they’re trying to go, no matter what.

 

[David9694]

I think this incident has

I think this incident has angered the police, such that this driver will face further sanction. 

We’ve created a monster here.

[perce]

When I read the article I

When I read the article I thought at least there won’t be any comments about cyclists. Silly me.

[chrisonabike]

hawkinspeter wrote:

[…]if the driver isn’t following their rules and I’d guess that deliberately driving on a closed road would invalidate their insurance. From the limited info, it seems like it was just the car that got damaged, so at least that’s a reasonable burden for the driver.

I know it’s a separate issue, but not a few don’t have insurance anyway.  The cost of recovering money from people (especially if “I don’t have the money”) is non-zero.

Perhaps only the car got damaged but I imagine they’ll still need a safety inspection, plus of course the cost of retrieving the driver (during hazardous conditions…), patching up the driver, retrieving the car and clearing up debris.  The latter and the safety inspection may have to take place when the road would be otherwise safe to drive on thus open so there’s presumably an economic cost to everyone from that.  Perhaps some people don’t get to hear about that before they arrive to cross, so a queue builds up, leading to congestion…

BUT I PAY ROAD TAX…

[hawkinspeter]

chrisonabike wrote:

With this kind of thing some might say “their own misfortune is their punishment”.  I hope they face further sanction.

On balance I think it’s reasonable for society to pick up the tab for some behaviours of others we find objectionable – even if they’re damaging to the people themselves.  That would be under principles like “freedom” and “providing care for the injured / those in danger regardless of how they got to that point”.  But at some point we do have to consider the cost as these can conflict and we have finite resources.

I think with mass motoring the harms that people cause through carelessness / stupidity / “ain’t gonna do what they tell me” can be so magnified that this merits a modified approach.

With motoring, society has chosen to use insurance companies to cover the costs of driver mistakes, but the companies are going to try to avoid the costs, especially if the driver isn’t following their rules and I’d guess that deliberately driving on a closed road would invalidate their insurance. From the limited info, it seems like it was just the car that got damaged, so at least that’s a reasonable burden for the driver.

[chrisonabike]

With this kind of thing some

With this kind of thing some might say “their own misfortune is their punishment”.  I hope they face further sanction.

On balance I think it’s reasonable for society to pick up the tab for some behaviours of others we find objectionable – even if they’re damaging to the people themselves.  That would be under principles like “freedom” and “providing care for the injured / those in danger regardless of how they got to that point”.  But at some point we do have to consider the cost as these can conflict and we have finite resources.

I think with mass motoring the harms that people cause through carelessness / stupidity / “ain’t gonna do what they tell me” can be so magnified that this merits a modified approach.

[hawkinspeter]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/driver-ignores-bridge-closure-signs-9196105

A car crashed on the M48 Severn Bridge this afternoon after a driver foolishly ignored signs indicating that the bridge was closed. High wind speeds forced officials to close the bridge between Bristol and Wales this afternoon, Thursday, March 28, but that one driver decided that the closure did not apply to them and attempted to make the crossing anyway.

[David9694]

Standard driver responses –

Standard driver responses – what a grim world view to go through life with, full of resentment and bitterness. 

Imagine people wanting a better life for themselves. 

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