[David9694]

A new catch-all Tea Shop thread for those miscellaneous new stories that don’t quite fit with parking, crashing into buildings or trapped/prisoners in their homes. 

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[mark1a]

I’m fairly sure although I’ll

I’m fairly sure although I’ll accept being wrong if otherwise. 

I think the reason for the repeater signs is so that a “top lawyer” couldn’t exploit a loophole whereby a road could be interpreted as NSL if no lighting or repeater signs. So therefore under the letter of the law, anything outside of TSRGD could technically be unenforceable  

Just had a dig around, and 8.3.2 of the Traffic Signs Manual chapter 3 says:

8.3.2. Where a 30 mph speed limit is imposed on an unlit road, it is necessary to make an order. In this case it is recommended that 30 mph repeater signs are provided (see 8.3.1).
(see 8.3.4). Where a road subject to a 30 mph limit is lit for only part of its length, it is recommended that a repeater sign for the unlit section when leaving the lit section should be placed at a distance of not more than 100 m from the last street lamp. Where two consecutive street lamps on a lit road are more than 183 m apart (185 m in Scotland and Northern Ireland)
a speed limit order is required as it is not a “restricted road” with repeater signs provided where considered to be appropriate. Where the two lamps are less than 200 m apart it is unlikely that a repeater sign will be necessary.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/782724/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf

[Awavey]

is that still officially  the

is that still officially  the case though ? I mean it was dont get me wrong the default street lamps = 30mph was definitely a thing I was taught, but I thought because of things like where I live the county council implemented a blanket 30mph limit through all villages in the mid 90s, regardless of street lights or not.

plus with new housing developments popping up everywhere and some quite confusing I think changes in limit where youll be in the 30 in the village, leave the village it becomes NSL, but half a mile later drops to 40 sometimes for safety reasons, sometimes as part of a traffic mitigation plan for the new housing, but the visual cues of the whole stretch of the road is identical.  The actual default had become something more akin to its 30mph unless you see signs telling you otherwise.

[mark1a]

Oldfatgit wrote:

Oldfatgit wrote:

Isn’t the default speed limit in urban areas 30mph, even if unsigned. Think there’s something about streetlight spacing too.

It’s the street lamps that decide – if there are street lamps spaced 183m (200yd) or less, and no speed limit repeater signs, then the limit is 30mph*. If there are no street lamps and no repeater signs, it’s NSL. Anything else, then repeater signs must be in place showing the speed limit regardless of street lamps.

* generally in 30mph areas with street lamps, repeater signs are not permitted, however an exception is made in some areas at the discretion of the local authority, early 2000s when the camera partnerships started and a high volume drivers were being nicked, then a sign on a blue background showing a camera symbol and a “30” in a red circle to remind people that a camera is ahead and the limit is 30.

[chrisonabike]

What an authoritarian notion

What an authoritarian notion – a default speed limit?  Here a Scottish Parliament committee rejected a “make it 20mph” proposal on the grounds that “one-size-fits-all” default limits would be unhelpful! (Yes, I still can’t let it go).

[Oldfatgit]

Isn’t the default speed limit
Isn’t the default speed limit in urban areas 30mph, even if unsigned. Think there’s something about streetlight spacing too.

[David9694]

Woman blasts ‘hostile’ and

Woman blasts ‘hostile’ and ‘confusing’ Clean Air Zone after £120 fine

“The signs are so unfriendly, yet there’s nothing to alert you to the fact that Bolton’s rules might differ.
Back home, our van is not eligible for charges, but in Bath, it is – isn’t that a bit weird?”

So you did see the signs, then? I am going to weaken a bit and suggest wouldn’t it be sensible/ideal if somehow you could receive a text to tell you you need to pay the CAZ, rather than a fine in the post for failing to?

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/local-news/woman-blasts-hostile-confusing-clean-7640185

[David9694]

Man receives two speeding

Man receives two speeding tickets in Plymouth in two minutes

Audi. 

“…if you misread the speed limit, which I did, I wasn’t deliberately going faster than I should have done, I just thought it was a 40mph limit. I’m not going to change two minutes later unless there’s a sign to say 30mph.”

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/man-receives-two-speeding-tickets-7631249

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